MSB new pricing model

Kingsrule said:
If MSB lowers the retail of the pieces I have there better be a check in the mail from MSB to make up the difference...
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Why? Do you feel your purchase wasn't worth the price you paid when you bought it?
 
Dre_J said:
Why? Do you feel your purchase wasn't worth the price you paid when you bought it?
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U and the like posters miss the whole point. If MSB diminishes the value of what was previously bought by lowering the price you are damn right I'll be pissed

And I'd expect the dealer I bought the MSB from to back me with MSB to protect the value of what I bought.....

Mike really poor form u added a like to the above post.....
 
I can understand and respect everyone’s concern. I own a Select II as well. But let’s just all be patient until we know the details of the changes. I don’t know the specifics myself.


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High end audio could use lower prices for higher performance. Not really feeling sorry for those who paid higher prices, but I know, it would stink and sting. Not the first time we've seen "new lower price"
 
Kingsrule said:
U and the like posters miss the whole point. If MSB diminishes the value of what was previously bought by lowering the price you are damn right I'll be pissed

And I'd expect the dealer I bought the MSB from to back me with MSB to protect the value of what I bought.....

Mike really poor form u added a like to the above post.....
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I don't know who "the like" are and I don't know what they are/were thinking. I asked a legitimate question and Mike probably also took it as such. That's probably why he liked the post. He at least knows me enough to know stirring a pot isn't my method of operation. I know I thought it was legitimate.

From what was communicated in this thread to date, there is no real information except for the rumors and rumored changes. Right now, the rumors are a nothing burger. Why get in a huff over something that is unsubstantiated rumors with no concrete information as of yet?

The logic that one should get back money for an unknown price structure change (after enjoying the product for over a year or more?) makes little sense to me: it makes no more sense than the reverse situation of a price increase requiring one to give MSB and the dealer more money after purchase.

IMO: The value is in the products performance and owner satisfaction. If a new pricing structure is all it takes for someone to get upset, I don't know what to say. You've had the product, and I presume, have enjoyed it for the time you've had it and thought the outlay was worth the ask. A rumored price structure adjustment shouldn't change that.

Getting back to my question: I simply asked a version of the question regarding if you felt the purchase wasn't worth the price you paid when you bought it. It was a simple and reasonable question. The answer you provided helps give perspective. If anything, you've said your piece about something that hasn't even happened as of this writing. Thanks for answering the question.

General thoughts not directed at anyone in particular: Very few, if any, audio products retain or increase in value. I certainly don't buy with the thought of getting a return on an audio product purchase. I don't see it as a financial investment. The return on investment, for me, is the enjoyment the product brings with use.

Dre
 
I was liking your post because I was pleased to see you actually posting! Of course my suggestion is “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”, but if there are discussions around the Premier and dropping some of the other lower clocks, who am I to argue? What will happen to the Discrete? Nothing. Ref and select? I don’t know if anything. I probably know about the discussions as much as Keith’s dealer knows.

I wasn’t even bringing this up because there was nothing really concrete to discuss, but Keith’s dealer I suspect mentioned something (hence his opening post) and here we are with everyone in a huff over rumors.

Let’s just wait and see.


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Several years ago Luxman dropped the US MRSP on their top line 900 stack from $20K to $15K as they took more direct control over the distribution of their products in the US. (There were probably similar adjustments for other products, but I wasn't paying attention.) Should Luxman have kept the prices where they were or passed along the savings to prospective future buyers? Would your answer be different if the reduction had resulted from increased manufacturing efficiency or a need to meet competition with more competitive prices after the product had been on the market for a couple of years? Personally I find Luxman's action more customer focused than what I see some others do: Raise prices a year or two after introduction or after the first positive reviews juice the market.
 
Kingsrule said:
U and the like posters miss the whole point. If MSB diminishes the value of what was previously bought by lowering the price you are damn right I'll be pissed

And I'd expect the dealer I bought the MSB from to back me with MSB to protect the value of what I bought.....

Mike really poor form u added a like to the above post.....
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Can you explain what "protect the value of what I bought" means and exactly how your dealer could force MSB to "protect" your "value"?

Some people confuse spending large sums of money on audio gear with actually investing money and expecting to see a return on your investment. When you purchase audio gear, you are buying a depreciating asset just like when you purchase a new car. Depreciating assets continue to lose value until they reach the bottom of what the market is willing to pay. Sometimes the speed of the fall to the bottom is quite rapid. The original Raidho company would be a good example of that. We have a member here that sold his Raidho speakers that cost over $200k new and he couldn't get $20k for them when he sold them.

It's very expensive to purchase audio gear that purports to be on the bleeding edge of technology and there is no guarantee of any current piece of audio gear retaining a certain percentage of the initial purchase price over any length of time. That's the nature of purchasing depreciating assets and the longer you hold on to them, the less they are worth on the used market.
 
mep said:
Can you explain what "protect the value of what I bought" means and exactly how your dealer could force MSB to "protect" your "value"?

Some people confuse spending large sums of money on audio gear with actually investing money and expecting to see a return on your investment. When you purchase audio gear, you are buying a depreciating asset just like when you purchase a new car. Depreciating assets continue to lose value until they reach the bottom of what the market is willing to pay. Sometimes the speed of the fall to the bottom is quite rapid. The original Raidho company would be a good example of that. We have a member here that sold his Raidho speakers that cost over $200k new and he couldn't get $20k for them when he sold them.

It's very expensive to purchase audio gear that purports to be on the bleeding edge of technology and there is no guarantee of any current piece of audio gear retaining a certain percentage of the initial purchase price over any length of time. That's the nature of purchasing depreciating assets and the longer you hold on to them, the less they are worth on the used market.
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I couldn't agree with you more, mep. This audio hobby has turned out to be a very bad investment. But it's what we love.

In the late 80's, I purchased a complete Meridian surround sound system (D6000s/D5000s/SSP/DVD) for around $46K. I sold it for $7K. I recently sold a pair of Devialet D400's for less than $5K that I paid $18K for. And Shunyata just introduced the Everest for less money than I paid for my Triton V3.

If you buy new, losing money is just a reality.
 
the uncommon thing here might be that the devaluation was rather due pricestructur than a new model.
to me, that is actually much milder for the current owners. (new model=big loose)

and lets face it, msb has to do something about theyr prices. my dealer couldnt sell a single unit. and it was only about the price.
his comment was that he prefers msb over dsc by a hair only (select2 vs vivaldi)
 
mep said:
Can you explain what "protect the value of what I bought" means and exactly how your dealer could force MSB to "protect" your "value"?

Some people confuse spending large sums of money on audio gear with actually investing money and expecting to see a return on your investment. When you purchase audio gear, you are buying a depreciating asset just like when you purchase a new car. Depreciating assets continue to lose value until they reach the bottom of what the market is willing to pay. Sometimes the speed of the fall to the bottom is quite rapid. The original Raidho company would be a good example of that. We have a member here that sold his Raidho speakers that cost over $200k new and he couldn't get $20k for them when he sold them.

It's very expensive to purchase audio gear that purports to be on the bleeding edge of technology and there is no guarantee of any current piece of audio gear retaining a certain percentage of the initial purchase price over any length of time. That's the nature of purchasing depreciating assets and the longer you hold on to them, the less they are worth on the used market.
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Per usual you see posts in your small, limited myopic way and respond accordingly. Where did I say anything about investing and thinking audio gear is an investment??
My point regarding protecting value was in reference to my dealer, who I think is one of if not the biggest MSB dealers in NA. I would think he would have some influence with MSB in regards to how they might be going forward with a pricing restructure and being hopeful that he would use that influence with them...
 
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