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Thanks for verifying this information, as I previously stated I suspected that the contradictory information posted elsewhere by Bodhi was incorrect.
Magico S5 mk2
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Really? That's my least favourite Magico... Even the much maligned Q5 fares better, in my book...
Bud, ... FWIW, one data point in audiophile-land. I see one pair of S5s up for sale on Audiogon for $15,900. I'll keep an eye posted to see if this is a rogue or the start of a trend.
BIF
That is probably below the current market value. Seems someone is in a hurry. his loss. Post yours to make that pair even bigger bargain and sell quicker.
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I have a buyer interested so am waiting weekend before I post
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LOL. You guys are giving Bodhi visions of self grandeur :congrats:.
From the horses mouth
[COLOR=#009900 !important]All kinds[/COLOR] of rumours seem to do be doing the rounds on audio forums these days around my alleged system upgrades, including one member of another forum who boldly claimed "Bodhi ordered S7 way back" (I hadn't). Speaking of which, I should say thank you to Rhapsody Audio for pointing out on said forum that my assertion that the S5 Mk2 would utilize a modified version of the current BE tweeter [COLOR=#009900 !important]used[/COLOR] in the S5, instead of a version of the Diamond-coated BE tweeter used in S7 was incorrect. As after much reflection today, i've decided to go for the S7 Mk2 instead & bring forward a planned upgrade of my Vitus SIA-025 integrated amp. What amps am I upgrading to you ask? You'll have to wait and see on that one. But I am sure this [COLOR=#009900 !important]approach[/COLOR] will result in much superior sound overall & give me a [COLOR=#009900 !important]lot[/COLOR] more flexibility.
Cool. I look forward to hearing the S5 mk2.
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I only wish I saved that email. The one where he said he was buying the new S7 on the basis of my having heard it at Magicos.
I do have a few other interesting colorful emails though, one of the best where he railed against me on another forum for being friends with Mike. Good one.
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I received this message from him on another forum, and he mentioned he has no issues with it being posted here. Personally, I have no idea what he will do, nor does it matter to me.
"Hi Bud, I read the comments on Audioshark discussing my reaction to the S5Mk2, including Mike and Ken's speculation that I must be peeved about the update. Well the answer is i'm not peeved at all. I think it will be a really nice speaker, but to be honest I couldn't care less. I just sold my S5's and will be upgrading to S7's in the next couple of months."
"Hi Bud, I read the comments on Audioshark discussing my reaction to the S5Mk2, including Mike and Ken's speculation that I must be peeved about the update. Well the answer is i'm not peeved at all. I think it will be a really nice speaker, but to be honest I couldn't care less. I just sold my S5's and will be upgrading to S7's in the next couple of months."
I'm happy for him. I hope he enjoys them. The S7 seems like the nice step up from the S5. I look forward to hearing the S7 again.
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Have had a chance to compare S5 to 20.7 Magicos are more refined and deliberate and extended on top. Maggies are more a wall of sound, more finicky on placement, and more spaciously expansive. Magicos more quickly coherent left to right. Maggies more coherent front to back. Magicos more transparent ; Maggies more forgiving. Make sense?
Our S7's have 500 hours on them and our Vitus gear has 400 hours of playing time. If you heard this combination you probably (who knows???) would not have any reservations about the S7's being a world class performer, literally in all respects with no deficiencies.
With either a $13K Vitus RI-100 integrated or 100 Watt monos you get a BIG 3D holographic soundstage, world class bass that goes "all the way down" and has luxurious texture, high resolution, midrange seems like a direct mic feed....as in clear and true to the original recording, "weighty/full bodied sound while transparent at the same time, extended top end but not bright at all, depth way out the back wall if it's in the recording, easy/non fussy placement, very nice low volume level listening with no loss of dynamic contrasts, completely balanced across the entire frequency spectrum with no humps or voids at any frequency, side and very far details in the soundstage are just as present as the center images and seemingly unlimited volume capability with no abnormalities. Personally I am amazed at the S7's ability to "bring the instruments and voices into the room.....lifelike and real". Of course it's the entire system that allows is responsible, but the S7's allow it to happen.
Of course personal preference is all that matters to each individual so many people will pick, Rockport, Avantgarde, Focal, Wilson and a hundred more for all types of reasons (company, aesthetics, room matching, matching to existing electronics, resale considerations, forum acceptance, friend acceptance, WAF, and on and on) but I don't think anyone that hears S7's in a "locked in" environment could possibly say that they did not produce world class sound.
With either a $13K Vitus RI-100 integrated or 100 Watt monos you get a BIG 3D holographic soundstage, world class bass that goes "all the way down" and has luxurious texture, high resolution, midrange seems like a direct mic feed....as in clear and true to the original recording, "weighty/full bodied sound while transparent at the same time, extended top end but not bright at all, depth way out the back wall if it's in the recording, easy/non fussy placement, very nice low volume level listening with no loss of dynamic contrasts, completely balanced across the entire frequency spectrum with no humps or voids at any frequency, side and very far details in the soundstage are just as present as the center images and seemingly unlimited volume capability with no abnormalities. Personally I am amazed at the S7's ability to "bring the instruments and voices into the room.....lifelike and real". Of course it's the entire system that allows is responsible, but the S7's allow it to happen.
Of course personal preference is all that matters to each individual so many people will pick, Rockport, Avantgarde, Focal, Wilson and a hundred more for all types of reasons (company, aesthetics, room matching, matching to existing electronics, resale considerations, forum acceptance, friend acceptance, WAF, and on and on) but I don't think anyone that hears S7's in a "locked in" environment could possibly say that they did not produce world class sound.
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Rhapsody, I have asked a number of knowledgeable folks whether my amp, an ARC Ref 150 SE (150 wpc into 4 ohms), had enough juice to meaningfully drive Magico S5s. Your underlined quote permits the inference that the answer might be YES. Any views?
Also, there is a pair of S3 for sale on Audigon. I wonder how my amp would do with the S3s?? Any thoughts?
Thanks.
BIF
Hi Bif, How big is your room?
The Vitus 100W monos are very strong. I have driven both S5's and S3's to 95db levels in a 18' X 35' X 11' room with both Absolare 50 Watt SET's and Kondo Kagura 50 Watt SET's with no issues. My gut would say that your Ref 150's would drive either the S5's or S3's BUT I have never tried the combination so ????. I personally do NOT find either the S5's or the S3's very hard to drive.
Put it this way if someone asked me, as a Magico dealer to send them a pair of S3's or S5's for a home demo and the had a Ref 150SE I would not hesitate to send them either speaker for a home trial as I believe, if there room was not gigantic, and they were ok with 90 db constant with 95 db peaks, the Ref 150SE would produce very good results.
We also drove the S5's and S3's with 90 Watt Absolare PP amps and they had no problem whatsoever driving either speaker with authority and slam.
The only "gotcha" is that if you connected a 300 Watt either SS or tube amp you will get either the S3 or S5 to produce greater dynamics/slam than say with the Ref 150 SE.
I think you would have sonic bliss with the S3's that are on AG and your Ref 150 SE.....but again with a room less than the size I noted on our room. With a bigger room, you probably would do better with S5's.
Yes, your amp must be able to drive a 4ohm load, but the S5's don't dip down below 3 ohms. I believe the Ref 150 SE can drive a 3 ohm dip, with a nominal 4 ohm load with no problem.
The S3's do dip down to 2ohms, but I have never seen an issue with the S3's and the 50 Watt SET's don't really like ultra low impedances. Possibly though the amps that we have used were able to handle the 2 ohm or 3 ohm load at the one certain frequency, I think somewhere between 50Hz and 100Hz.
Btw, when we tried ALL of the mentioned amps (not the Vitus amps) on the Raidho D3's we had no luck whatsoever, they could not handle the load on the D3's. That has something to do with why the Magico S series seemed "easy to drive" in our environment.
Bif, ask ARC how the REF 150SE will do with a 2ohm or 3ohm minimum load, but a more nominal 4 ohm load across the majority of the spectrum.
Here is a review of the REF 150SE that is driving the Wilson Sasha 2 which dips down to 2ohms (about the same as the S3) with no issues in driving this load.
http://www.theaudiobeat.com/blog/audio_research_reference_150_se.htm