Magico rack?
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Gene
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So.. your cheap... why dig on those who would find it reasonable?
I’m not discussing the price, but rather his comment that it would not improve your sound. Has he compared the Magico stand to others? Has he compared any top drawer rack like Critical Mass, HRS or Artesania to a home built wood rack? Mitigating vibrations through energy dissipation or isolation is critical for achieving great sound.
u-sound
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vibration is there more or less...best to adress this inside the unit, then the feet. the rack is 5th degree or something, Comes too late and is unpredictable.
take your preamp, or your amp or Mediaplayer and shake it during listening,....there is no change to the music. close your eyes if you want and your wife does it
u-sound
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sorry, was typing while you were answering.
yeah bought a lot of things that didnt improve. not hsr, but in different racks in the 10k leage
The vibrations can very much negatively affect the sound of digital, tube gear, analog playback and more. Isolating it on the rack is the best approach since it’s a complete isolation and dissipation approach.
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u-sound
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hormon hurrican when its between the m2
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well, was just thinking,and yes, my experience is more limited and somehow old as well.
i had the best of copulare and the best of finitie Elements. they were highly prised at that time and didnt do anything in my system. while i was happy with the sound in any case. so basicly i am a nobeliver based on this. some dealers i know share that opinion too, at least they did when i traded the racks in.
if someone likes the look and has endless cash, well why not a magico rack or two. if someone is cash-performance orientated, then it would be the last thing i would sugest.
the rack makes it, lol
,and yes, my experience is more limited and somehow old as well.i had the best of copulare and the best of finitie Elements. they were highly prised at that time and didnt do anything in my system. while i was happy with the sound in any case. so basicly i am a nobeliver based on this. some dealers i know share that opinion too, at least they did when i traded the racks in.
if someone likes the look and has endless cash, well why not a magico rack or two. if someone is cash-performance orientated, then it would be the last thing i would sugest.
the rack makes it, lol
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well, was just thinking
i had the best of copulare and the best of finitie Elements. they were highly prised at that time and didnt do anything in my system. while i was happy with the sound in any case. so basicly i am a nobeliver based on this. some dealers i know share that opinion too, at least they did when i traded the racks in.
if someone likes the look and has endless cash, well why not a magico rack or two. if someone is cash-performance orientated, then it would be the last thing i would sugest.
the rack makes it, lol
A rack is a component in your system, just like everything else. Neglect one, you affect them all.
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The "too expensive" line is arbitrary, and varies greatly between individuals and their differing wealth and priorities. At one time not long ago I thought the mega racks were completely silly, but now look a me with a CMS Maxxum rack (though a relatively modest example at only 3 shelves). Its aesthetic and engineering are amazing. And it truly isolates a turntable that would otherwise be subject to very significant feedback issues in this setting. I look at the "Audiophiles North America" Facebook group, and it's sad how a critical mass of people there, outright dismissing things like high-end isolation solutions (often bordering on violently), stamps out a lot of great contributors and discussions. This forums is one of the few places where we can have these enthusiast discussions in a civil manner, while still respecting opposing opinions.
I would add "close your eyes" to the shaking test. I doubt that most folks can tell a difference.
I think that in the end it comes down to preferences. If I have Magico speakers I might want to have Magico racks regardless of cost. That's perfectly fine. Of course that does not mean that it will improve the sound.
Yes, perhaps, but even if all have an effect, not all components affect the sound equally. Some components (speakers and room!) have a much larger contribution than others. A rack, IMHO contributes very little when dealing with digital sources but more with analog.
BlueFox
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Maybe, but I will stay with my 400 pound Mapleshade rack. It seems to do a good job of absorbing vibrations, and only cost a few thousand. I forgot the exact amount.
Mike Lavigne
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so your viewpoint is that if gear is properly designed and assembled then any vibration should be already dealt with?
i wonder if you really understand how this all works? maybe take a look at how science and industry approach resonance control. here is a tutorial related to resonance control in laboratory situations.
https://www.herzan.com/resources/tutorials.html
scroll down and read if you want to understand cause and effect. if you desire to actually see what an electron microscope is revealing, you must eliminate resonance that blurs and smears the image. that resonance comes from the air and ground, it's all around us. that electron microscope is well built, with effective passive shelf interface, but that is not sufficient to allow the image seen to be clear. what is used is an active shelf which attenuates ground noise and clears up the viewed subject so the work can be done with proper precision.
music reproduction works the same.
in an audio system you take the air and ground 'noise', and add the musical energy. if you do not attenuate the resonance from the music the system will sing along with the music, which will be heard as added information coming through as a loss of musical focus, loss of delicacy, and loss of precision. the bass will be be smeared and lack leading edge naturalness and pop. the floor and rack are significant parts of the feedback of this resonance from the floor and air.
and the more you expect from your system dynamically, the greater the whole performance will be diminished by musical feedback resonance. many systems get edgy and hard on musical peaks, and you point at an amp or the speakers or room acoustics.....but resonance feedback is a major ingredient in that equation. and the musical ease that comes from having this under control imparts the magic and nuance we all crave.
Fully understand and I would think it should be great for analog.
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Mike Lavigne
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Possibly, but I only use digital now. I quit analog in the early 80s.
resonance attenuation is effective for both digital and analog. it brings more of a good thing with analog, but maybe makes digital more natural sounding therefore making an equally significant difference. with digital it not only helps dacs; resonance attenuation also helps servers, and obviously disc spinners.
there are issues of synergy involved of course; sometimes tonal preference is for a more warm type sound and resonance control can take things in a more linear direction. so as always; YMMV as to the final result. system balance for individual preference is part of the deal. personally i'm a truth guy wanting all the information.
BlueFox
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Good post. Thank you.
I also like the style of not capitalizing the first word of a sentence. With good punctuation, it is easy to read, and certainly easier to type.
Mike Lavigne
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it's a character flaw, the not using caps thing. i'd like to claim the high ground of 'style' but it's really ignorance. i started typing late in life and still am a two finger hunt and peck kind of guy. my work emails get auto corrected, but on forums it's no caps.
at least it's not the 'ALL CAPS' shouting thing.