Magico rack?

u-sound said:
great if you can afford one or two and it doesnt even really matter
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on the chance that you are responding to me.......by posting that link, i did not mean to infer you should acquire an active shelf, more that racks matter and passive solutions are also effective. dealing with floor born resonance matters to system performance.

a passive decoupling rack such as the Magico matters as far as system performance. and if you can afford the Magico rack, you can instead choose an active shelf or two. certainly much more modestly priced effective passive choices exist. see Artesenia racks for instance. if i were in the market for the best, most cost effective passive rack, it would be my choice. not cheap, but reasonable.

as far as it doesnt even really matter, not sure what this open ended comment means. what do you refer to as 'it'?
 
Gene said:
So.. your cheap... why dig on those who would find it reasonable?
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Cheap? 50k is far from “cheap”. That’s the median income for a family of 4 in many large US cities.

From a cost benefit standpoint, it seems a large price for a rack.


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I’m ok with talking about prices and what is deemed or perceived as high, but if it’s on its own thread.

While everyone has right to an opinion, it should be in like manner otherwise it’s evasive and loses people.

Relative to isolation by Magico, HRS, Critical or whoever, it is extremely important IMO, where my new turntable is going to play the cabinet surface resting on concrete takes on the low end vibration and it made me nervous, but I plotted down a new HRS platform and now there is no vibration - I can’t wait for new gear later this month!


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Mike Lavigne said:
on the chance that you are responding to me.......by posting that link, i did not mean to infer you should acquire an active shelf, more that racks matter and passive solutions are also effective. dealing with floor born resonance matters to system performance.

a passive decoupling rack such as the Magico matters as far as system performance. and if you can afford the Magico rack, you can instead choose an active shelf or two. certainly much more modestly priced effective passive choices exist. see Artesenia racks for instance. if i were in the market for the best, most cost effective passive rack, it would be my choice. not cheap, but reasonable.

as far as it doesnt even really matter, not sure what this open ended comment means. what do you refer to as 'it'?
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Totally right Mike
I also think the rack is so important in relation to the room .
I have an old wooden floor , and my artesian rack helped so much , it showed the true value of my equipment .
 
Not only digital and analog, the most obvious example is speakers. When I added SPODs to my Magico S3, it removes any doubt for me in terms of vibration control or energy dissipation.
 
kzhtoo said:
Not only digital and analog, the most obvious example is speakers. When I added SPODs to my Magico S3, it removes any doubt for me in terms of vibration control or energy dissipation.
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Good point Khin. I would love to try the QPOD’s at home. They make sense to me...the copper dissipates the heat that’s created from the vibrations/energy.
 
I spent that kind of $ on a Critical Mass Maxxum rack.

Totally worth it - transforms the sound of my system. At least it's a one time expense.
 
Mike said:
I’m not discussing the price, but rather his comment that it would not improve your sound. Has he compared the Magico stand to others? Has he compared any top drawer rack like Critical Mass, HRS or Artesania to a home built wood rack? Mitigating vibrations through energy dissipation or isolation is critical for achieving great sound.
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Mike, you are probably correct that he hasn't compared various racks, but that is a pretty tough challenge. I don't know of any direct comparisons of the Critical Mass and HRS rack systems. How would one go about doing such a comparison? I can see some dealer ordering two competing brands and comparing them, but it would be quite a difficult thing to do. I may be wrong, but I think many people buy racks on faith. Or they heard one at a friend's or a dealers, and then bought it hoping it would improve the sound of their own systems. I think it's tough.

However, I do believe in energy management: either dissipation, isolation, or some combination. I have three Vibraplanes under my turntable and each of two amps. I also have Townshend Seismic Sinks under my preamp amp and phono stage and power supplies. I option is pneumatic isolation platforms on a good solid rack stand. There are other alternatives that are also effective.
 
I use stillpoints and iso acoustic pucks. I’m all for isolating components. I just think 50k large price to do so.


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Mike Lavigne said:
on the chance that you are responding to me.......by posting that link, i did not mean to infer you should acquire an active shelf, more that racks matter and passive solutions are also effective. dealing with floor born resonance matters to system performance.

a passive decoupling rack such as the Magico matters as far as system performance. and if you can afford the Magico rack, you can instead choose an active shelf or two. certainly much more modestly priced effective passive choices exist. see Artesenia racks for instance. if i were in the market for the best, most cost effective passive rack, it would be my choice. not cheap, but reasonable.

as far as it doesnt even really matter, not sure what this open ended comment means. what do you refer to as 'it'?
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the "it" would stand for something like improved soundquality.
i mean something like buying this as a furniture and it might sound better and if not who cares.

no, i wasnt responding directly to you.....neither to anybody else and neither am i against a rack or wouldnt say there is not a topic.
its just that i hear the same thing about isolation, dissipation etc for the last 30 years and physicians delivered already so many perfect solutions for that.
every matirial in any configuration have been shown.......prices have raised, they did, they really did.....glad the designer didnt stick some swarovskis to it
 
u-sound said:
the "it" would stand for something like improved soundquality.
i mean something like buying this as a furniture and it might sound better and if not who cares.

no, i wasnt responding directly to you.....neither to anybody else and neither am i against a rack or wouldnt say there is not a topic.
its just that i hear the same thing about isolation, dissipation etc for the last 30 years and physicians delivered already so many perfect solutions for that.
every matirial in any configuration have been shown.......prices have raised, they did, they really did.....glad the designer didnt stick some swarovskis to it
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:rolleyes:

sweeping generalizations are best avoided; not sure i agree that buyers of this Magico rack would likely view it as eye candy/furniture 'only' and not care about the performance. i expect almost all would value both. maybe more on the eye candy side than other buyers who might choose a different value system hierarchy to apply their assets to.

i think that Magico knows their customers, and that this rack will fit a certain segment of them.

there are always a few people who buy (even very high end gear) based on what a product looks like, nothing wrong with that......assuming they can feed their kids and pay the rent. who am i to judge? however; that is a different hobby than the one i am in. maybe it's someone's interior designer.
 
Magico is located in a region where $50k is just a pocket change for many people. Well, maybe except me. I do wonder how big of Magico’s annual sale is made up of Bay Area customers.

Disclaimer: I have no proof or even a strong believe that Magico sells quite a big percentage to the locals.
 
Magico is maybe 30 miles from me. While this area does have a good percentage of people with good incomes, I am the only one I know who even has a stereo, let alone Magico speakers. Granted, this isn’t scientific, but at least it’s relevant. :)
 
A proper rack makes a huge difference in an audiophile system. It makes sense if you think about it - vibrations and other forms of interference negatively affect the components in a system and minimizing their effect is beneficial to the entire system. So it makes a bigger difference than upgrading any single component - it improves ALL of your components.

I'd also argue that the better a system's components are the bigger the improvement with a good rack.

Like any other component in a system, purchasing a rack depends on your budget and the overall cost of your gear - a $50,000 rack would not make sense for a $20,000 system.. But it does make sense for a $500,000 system. That's why Critical Mass and HRS for example make several levels of racks - so you can match the relative cost and performance to your own system.
 
What would Magico recommend. one of their 50k racks or upgrading from S1 to S5 mk2?
 
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