still-one
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Having heard but not lived with both the s5mk2 and the M3's I would have guessed they M3's would work better in your room than the Mk2's. Either way both are fine speakers.
MAGICO M3 - Review
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Having heard but not lived with both the s5mk2 and the M3's I would have guessed they M3's would work better in your room than the Mk2's. Either way both are fine speakers.
As I predicted, no amp or cable change will change that. 2 or 3 months break in will not change that either. The speaker you had chosen simply lacks the cone area needed to pressurise your big room. This is simple physics.
Why do you think Magico offers Q5 and Q7 models, apart from the Q3 (M3 equivalent) ? For people with thicker wallets ? No, Q5 and Q7 are meant for bigger rooms.
You need to dial back and get the S7 (which is almost the same price in gloss finish as M3) or even the smaller S5 mk 2. The former has three 10" long throw woofers and the later two 10" long throw woofers (compared to 1x 10" and 1x 8" woofers in the Alexia).
IMO going back to the Alexia makes no much sense - there have been people on this forum that upgraded from Alexia to Magico S5 mk 1 (and the current S5 mk 2 is a much better speaker!).
IMO if you have bought the M3 from a Magico dealer, he should help you out. You should request a return of M3 and get the S7 instead. Ofc, the demo will be necessary first.
Unfortunately, from what I read, your dealer seems to be most happy pushing you more new gear instead.
still-one
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Or he could exit the Magico/Wilson debate altogether and go with the MBL 101eMKII and be very happy.
a.wayne
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He prefers the Wilson so why not go back , its better for him in his room , maybe the next level Wilson can work . Its a big $$$ purchase the dealer may just be way pass a refund here , well maybe not without a restocking fee ..
Btw the Alexia is vented you will need many of those long throw woofers to have the same output.
Regards
Btw the Alexia is vented you will need many of those long throw woofers to have the same output.
Regards
a.wayne
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I have heard the 101s many times, and never developed a liking for them. In fact, every time I hear them, I try to understand what some people like in those speakers. The bass, in particular, is terrible. Disjointed, boomy and lacking in articulation. Even the diehard MBL fans agree that this is their weekest point.
Yes, they seem to work better than the M3s due to bigger woofer cone area. Which is exactly why I'm sugesting the S5 mk 2 - a way to keep all the bass puch (with better articulation, slam and extension that was ever possible from Alexia or Sasha) AND the resolution, smoothness and lack of coloration Magico are famous for.
The S5s have an awe inspiring bass - both in terms of slam and reach (down to 20Hz in room). Check out Martin Collom's review in HiFi Critic.
a.wayne
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I have heard the S5's and i thought it was said the M3's were better ....??
I will get to hear the M3's next week , we will see ....
I will get to hear the M3's next week , we will see ....
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The world awaits.
a.wayne
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Speaking of , If you make it back to the planet in time you should join us ..
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Yes, and those people never got their Alexias installed by a properly trained WA dealer.
IMO, the only reason for not going back to the Alexia is it's getting a little long in the tooth (intro'd 4 years ago), so there may be a new WA model on the horizon.
still-one
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Agree , but still no bass .....
Your joking right? Apparently you've never lived with MBL.
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a.wayne doesn't get out much. The facility won't allow it.
You are joking right ?
The M3s are better than the S5s, the same way Porsche 911 Turbo S is better than BMW 5 series. For most of people the 911 will be better, but there will be some, namely families with kids, for whom BMW will be better - not because it is a better car per se, but 'cos it has more room - which is what they need.
The S5 mk 2 will be better in terms of bass slam and dynamic envelope in bigger rooms, but it is still the M3 which is more refined speaker.
still-one
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Nice analogy Adam.
Ok, have to admit, I laughed out loud on that one.
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a.wayne
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I guess you missed the ??? Marks .... S5, Q5, M3 , M5 mk1,2,3 , you will have to forgive me, i cant keep up which is which anymore..
a.wayne
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Yes and Yes but not recently ...
a.wayne
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Yep , definitely the last time I will ever use your name tag ....
You should stop with this madness and look at some facts:
I assume JA got his Alexia installed by the proper authorities, right?
So just look at these 3 measurements, taken by JA. On-axis, off-axis, and in-room, they tell it all. We have a rare opportunity to see these two different speakers in the same environment, measured similarly.
Look at how much smoother the S5 off-axis response is, that results in a much better in-room response (different scale on the off-axis, but you can see the Alexia wreckage at 30°). No professional installation will change the Alexia poor off-axis performance, and that will make any room interaction impossible to predict or tame (Ignore the blue line on the S5 in-room, that is a different speaker).
S5 MK2:
Alexia:
