Lampizator Golden Gate

FlexibleAudio said:
Thanks Ken.



I am certainly planning to spend some time listening this weekend. My Soulution 721 is dual mono, single-ended so that's what I would do if I go this way. I personally believe a phase splitter just detracts from SQ unless you have so much noise in long runs that its elimination offsets the negative effects. I have no problem asking my 721 to deliver the missing gain. I am only interested in the DSD. Two less caps in the signal path and no switch. Also considering an i2s input to work with Jesus's Sig Rendu. Lucasz has said he will work on this if I send him a Rendu. I consider it far superior than USB (no packet noise to mess up dac PS and PDN).
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Hi Paul,

I think I generally understand what you are saying on a high level but would you be able to give me more detail so I can better understand it. You said the Soulution 721 preamp is dual mono, single-ended. Do you know what the Soulution 520 preamp is? (I just assumed it was a fully balanced design). Why do you have no interest in getting PCM? I also have no idea what the i2s input or Sig Rendu are.

Thanks so much,
Ken
 
Well given the noise over at CA forum about the Corning optical USB cabe and the Uptone Audio REGEN (regenerating hub), i am not sure that USB has any more obvious liabilities.

Paul, if your Soulution gear is already all fully internally balanced, you may want to consider a fully Balanced DSD-only GG (DSD256 is standard for GG) and no VC. For me I would always get the PCM, but I see you are an absolutist. If you do DSD-only, then unless you are willing to do offline conversion of your material, you will need a CAPS/PC or something on your NAS to do the real time upsampling/conversion via HQP (the current best) and it needs a powerful setup like what Elberoth did. AL has a similar setup but does not upsample.

I think with MinimServer on the NAS you could do this, but NAS mobos are notoriously shitty compared to a bespoke CAPs builds where the Mobo and components are carefully selected. Remember upconverting from RBCD to DSD256 on the fly is heavy lifting.

Frankly you ned to spend time over at CA and gather all the feedback you can. Try to befriend guys like Imitchie/EuroDriver/Geoff Armstrong, etc. These guys atre experimenting everyday and reaching conclusions...
 
Alpinist said:
Hi Paul,

I think I generally understand what you are saying on a high level but would you be able to give me more detail so I can better understand it. You said the Soulution 721 preamp is dual mono, single-ended. Do you know what the Soulution 520 preamp is? (I just assumed it was a fully balanced design). Why do you have no interest in getting PCM? I also have no idea what the i2s input or Sig Rendu are.

Thanks so much,
Ken
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Cyrus believes that a phase splitter in a pre is a bad thing. So yes, the 520 is unbalanced too.

In this system, if I am going to listen to digital I want no compromise. I plan on storing my converted/upsampled DSD256 stuff on Nas and sending DSD through Sig Rendu to Lampi via i2s. I plan to use Saracon as Dan Weiss tells me he is close to a 256 upsample version. All PCM will be converted and upsampled. It is my expectation this will be superior to PCM native on the GG (maybe even to PCM native on other world class DACS given the Lampi raw DSD playback methodology).

IMO the Sonore Signature Rendu is the quietest, best SQ Ethernet to i2s device available and (IMO, MSB's opinion and others) i2s is the quietest, best SQ protocol for sending decoded files to a dac.

All that said, I may be completely wrong about all of these points and just do analog. Haven't decided. As you know I move very fast.
 
wisnon said:
Well given the noise over at CA forum about the Corning optical USB cabe and the Uptone Audio REGEN (regenerating hub), i am not sure that USB has any more obvious liabilities.

Paul, if your Soulution gear is already all fully internally balanced, you may want to consider a fully Balanced DSD-only GG (DSD256 is standard for GG) and no VC. For me I would always get the PCM, but I see you are an absolutist. If you do DSD-only, then unless you are willing to do offline conversion of your material, you will need a CAPS/PC or something on your NAS to do the real time upsampling/conversion via HQP (the current best) and it needs a powerful setup like what Elberoth did. AL has a similar setup but does not upsample.

I think with MinimServer on the NAS you could do this, but NAS mobos are notoriously shitty compared to a bespoke CAPs builds where the Mobo and components are carefully selected. Remember upconverting from RBCD to DSD256 on the fly is heavy lifting.

Frankly you ned to spend time over at CA and gather all the feedback you can. Try to befriend guys like Imitchie/EuroDriver/Geoff Armstrong, etc. These guys atre experimenting everyday and reaching conclusions...
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Normy-old-boy its so good to have you back. Now if we can just get my old friend MEP to resurface......

Regarding the bold above, I think I am getting a handle on things.

Regarding your other comments, please read my above post to Ken.

I am not convinced the $175 dollar Regen is going to be all that......(I do respect John Swenson though). I have also heard that glass causes more noise than it eliminates. USB starts with problems that i2s simply doesn't have. I think in a year or two it will be gone. I also think what Jesus has done with the Sig Rendu is somewhat unparalleled for the application I contemplate. Finally, converting and up-sampling on the fly creates theoretical problems that NAS storage avoids. No heavy processing during playback, lags, etc. Again, why do it if you don't have to. NAS storage is cheap.
 
FlexibleAudio said:
Cyrus believes that a phase splitter in a pre is a bad thing. So yes, the 520 is unbalanced too.

In this system, if I am going to listen to digital I want no compromise. I plan on storing my converted/upsampled DSD256 stuff on Nas and sending DSD through Sig Rendu to Lampi via i2s. I plan to use Saracon as Dan Weiss tells me he is close to a 256 upsample version. All PCM will be converted and upsampled. It is my expectation this will be superior to PCM native on the GG (maybe even to PCM native on other world class DACS given the Lampi raw DSD playback methodology).

IMO the Sonore Signature Rendu is the quietest, best SQ Ethernet to i2s device available and (IMO, MSB's opinion and others) i2s is the quietest, best SQ protocol for sending decoded files to a dac.

All that said, I may be completely wrong about all of these points and just do analog. Haven't decided. As you know I move very fast.
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Does Lampi take i2S?
 
FlexibleAudio said:
Thanks Ken.



I am certainly planning to spend some time listening this weekend. My Soulution 721 is dual mono, single-ended so that's what I would do if I go this way. I personally believe a phase splitter just detracts from SQ unless you have so much noise in long runs that its elimination offsets the negative effects. I have no problem asking my 721 to deliver the missing gain. I am only interested in the DSD. Two less caps in the signal path and no switch. Also considering an i2s input to work with Jesus's Sig Rendu. Lucasz has said he will work on this if I send him a Rendu. I consider it far superior than USB (no packet noise to mess up dac PS and PDN).
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Bonzo,

See above. Right now I have a verbal from Lukasz to play ball. I plan to discuss this with him tomorrow.
 
FlexibleAudio said:
Cyrus believes that a phase splitter in a pre is a bad thing. So yes, the 520 is unbalanced too.

In this system, if I am going to listen to digital I want no compromise. I plan on storing my converted/upsampled DSD256 stuff on Nas and sending DSD through Sig Rendu to Lampi via i2s. I plan to use Saracon as Dan Weiss tells me he is close to a 256 upsample version. All PCM will be converted and upsampled. It is my expectation this will be superior to PCM native on the GG (maybe even to PCM native on other world class DACS given the Lampi raw DSD playback methodology).

IMO the Sonore Signature Rendu is the quietest, best SQ Ethernet to i2s device available and (IMO, MSB's opinion and others) i2s is the quietest, best SQ protocol for sending decoded files to a dac.

All that said, I may be completely wrong about all of these points and just do analog. Haven't decided. As you know I move very fast.
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Hi Paul,

Thanks for that detailed explanation. On the analog vs. digital (Lampi GG SE), you should let your own ears be the judge. Will you have the opportunity to listen to the GG at Axpona? Sounds like an excellent opportunity to hear it in your own backyard.

Best of luck,
Ken
 
Alpinist said:
Hi Paul,

Thanks for that detailed explanation. On the analog vs. digital (Lampi GG SE), you should let your own ears be the judge. Will you have the opportunity to listen to the GG at Axpona? Sounds like an excellent opportunity to hear it in your own backyard.

Best of luck,
Ken
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Hi are there any analog vs Big 7 or GG comparisons on the site?
 
Alpinist said:
Hi Paul,

Thanks for that detailed explanation. On the analog vs. digital (Lampi GG SE), you should let your own ears be the judge. Will you have the opportunity to listen to the GG at Axpona? Sounds like an excellent opportunity to hear it in your own backyard.

Best of luck,
Ken
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Yep, that's the plan.
 
FlexibleAudio said:
Bonzo,

Not any further than I can throw it. One step at a time.
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Yup, the first step is to hear the Golden Gate. Then work on auditioning one in your own system. I wish I could be there to hear it too and meet all you guys. :)

Ken
 
Alpinist said:
Yup, the first step is to hear the Golden Gate. Then work on auditioning one in your own system. I wish I could be there to hear it too and meet all you guys. :)

Ken
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There is always next year. Maybe by then I will have a source in my system, but I doubt it. :lol:
 
bonzo said:
Does Lampi take i2S?
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Yes it already does for PCM, as AL's original Dac stipulated this and he sent the PSA specs to Lukasz. The problem is for DSD and I asked Jesus to send Lukasz a demo to get working, but nothing happened so far. If Paul sends one to Lukasz, then it will happen fast.

Paul, are Saracons filters as good as Miska's??? that is the key. Also, I am hearing about new discoveries in OS that I cant talk about publicly that could be game changing too.

Stick close to CA forum, that is where the action is.
 
My friend who received his GG (first in the U.S.) said it's breaking in beautifully.

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For me I am using a 6 K custom server. Win2012 AO and jplay. It's absolutely fantastic. But Jesus Sanor is so much cheaper As well plug and play. Of he chose i2S it's for a very good reason. I too plan to get one just to use in one of systems.
 
Guys, the Sonore is great. Does it beat USB? Ah, a little. The downside is the PITA with the setup and using with your computer and NAS. Its certainly not plug and play. The difference between Auralic Aries USB into my DS vs i2s from Sonore was not worth the inconvenience. YMMV.

I've ordered that USB regeneration device to try. The Corning USB cables only come in a minimum 10 meter length! 30 feet of USB when I need 2?


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When I spoke to Jesus he was confident it would beat my sever. And he knows computers and what I have.
Ted B loved it.
Now for me of what you say is true I am still going to buy one to use in one of my systems. But my red server is over 6K
Win 2012 and AO beta woth jplay truthfully with the DS dac
It now plays very well even dsd is now real dsd sound something that it never was Before to me. It's truly a wow for me now. My lampi is still beyond this but I am focused for now on the DS as I am beta tester. But the time and expense to get to where I am is beyond what most would do.
I can someone close for about 2500 in parts with all software
I think what I have in my CUST server is beyond my 12K umt plus. But it must be considered the server can be customized for its sound unlike the umt plus.
 
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