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Kramer64 said:
I'm new and appreciate the chance to participate. Seems like a great forum. I like the other forum, but I'm a nut about this stuff. I will never understand, however, grown men hurling insults at each other because one likes tubes and one likes transistors, or one buys expensive cables and one doesn't. The need to be right and to be perceived as some sort of super expert is strong in this hobby. Status, of a sort, I suppose.
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Part of it might be that pride prevents some people from acknowledging that they just might possibly be wrong about anything, even the most trivial point.

A big turning point in my life happened during a debate with a friend. I had an epiphany - I realized that I was learning from listening to and soberly considering his points instead of stubbornly and pridefully clinging to my untenable position. Then all of a sudden, it hit me - I had indeed been wrong on the topic! It got me to thinking, how likely is it that ANYONE can be right in EVERY disagreement? I sure can't.
 
BendingWave said:
Your analysis is sadly spot on. It seems today that people hiding behind an avatar feel entitled and embolden to say nasty things to people they have not the cajones to say to their faces. In our everyone is an expert world this has become very common place. I think the first step to getting better at almost anything is being able to admit and accpet that you don't know everything.
Hope you enjoy the ride
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Ignore that place. It’s the same 20 guys saying the same thing over and over again all trying to one up one another.

Here’s a thought: YOU go and experience new music, amps, speakers, turntables, whatever and report back. THAT is interesting.
 
Mike said:
Ignore that place. It’s the same 20 guys saying the same thing over and over again all trying to one up one another.

Here’s a thought: YOU go and experience new music, amps, speakers, turntables, whatever and report back. THAT is interesting.
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By the way Mike I am not going to donate lol any more to that place
 
Mike said:
Is it just me or is it the same 15 or 20 guys saying the same thing over and over again?

We definitely don’t have the same level of traffic as those guys, but I haven’t put any effort to gain members or increase participation. This forum was started because Joe (who I talk to almost every day - he’s doing well, just not in an audio state of mind with everything going on), Bruce (who’s having some health issues), Mark (who golfs 7 days a week), Jock and a few others to have a place away from the idiot who ran another forum. That’s it. Started long before I became a dealer and I do try to keep my cheerleading to a minimum, although I occasionally get pretty excited about a product or brand I have to share. 😎. I greatly enjoy reading what you all are up to and following your ventures. I have plans to increase membership and participation, but have just been a little busy with other projects.

Speaking of the other forum, years ago when I was discussing how much I enjoyed my tubes and horns (I do miss them), they were all debating on whether the new Wilson was better than the old Wilson and mocking the horn guys.

Funny how times have changed….
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Just keep doing what you are doing Mike. Glad you started the Shark.
 
Mike said:
Thank you!🙏
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This seems like a great audio forum. I enjoy the other one too-there are good people there, who have interesting points of view and are happy to share information. Some of it is, unfortunately, dominated by the same people saying the same things in a mostly humorless way. This is supposed to be fun.

I also subscribe to the magazines because there is some useful information and I'm probably more into this than is sensible. It seems truly bizarre, however, that publications engaged in at least a quasi-journalistic endeavor have made a lack of candor toward their readers a feature, not a bug. It seems that suggesting that undertaking to publish a "review" carries an obligation to the readers (PAID subscribers) to provide a completely honest assessment-both the good and bad-is considered naive.

Obviously, their business model is hopelessly flawed-they not only depend on advertising revenue, they depend on the manufacturers to compensate their staff in the form of accommodation pricing, bogus loans, etc. At least that's what I took from Lee (who seems a good guy) when he said reviewers receive only nominal payment for their work. Nobody works for nothing-these guys are getting paid.

Anyway, I appreciate the insights on this forum.
 
Kramer64 said:
This seems like a great audio forum. I enjoy the other one too-there are good people there, who have interesting points of view and are happy to share information. Some of it is, unfortunately, dominated by the same people saying the same things in a mostly humorless way. This is supposed to be fun.

I also subscribe to the magazines because there is some useful information and I'm probably more into this than is sensible. It seems truly bizarre, however, that publications engaged in at least a quasi-journalistic endeavor have made a lack of candor toward their readers a feature, not a bug. It seems that suggesting that undertaking to publish a "review" carries an obligation to the readers (PAID subscribers) to provide a completely honest assessment-both the good and bad-is considered naive.

Obviously, their business model is hopelessly flawed-they not only depend on advertising revenue, they depend on the manufacturers to compensate their staff in the form of accommodation pricing, bogus loans, etc. At least that's what I took from Lee (who seems a good guy) when he said reviewers receive only nominal payment for their work. Nobody works for nothing-these guys are getting paid.

Anyway, I appreciate the insights on this forum.
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How are "these guys" (meaning reviewers) getting paid?
 
mep said:
How are "these guys" (meaning reviewers) getting paid?
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I think if you can buy equipment at maybe tens of thousands dollars discount that you get only because you write reviews or you get a "long term loan" of equipment for your personal use with no return date in sight only because you write reviews, that's compensation. If a reviewer gets the benefit of these things which obviously carry significant value only because he writes reviews, that seems to be the very definition of compensation. In that case, the reviewer gets a significant economic benefit because of his work. Just my opinion.
 
As I mentioned in another post, I don’t give a flying crap if reviewers get long term loans or free stuff or whatever. If they make a piddly $300 for a review as Lee says or they’re performing as a professional whistler, then maybe there should be some other perks. I know I’m in the minority in this view, but it really doesn’t bother me. I do see why some others get bent out of shape, but I’m only focused on the ads (for me)….not who’s using what.

What I do care about is ROI/call to action of advertising. If I was a “brand” like Wilson, Focal, Transparent or the like, I would see the ads in magazines as necessary marketing and branding.

But for instigating a call to action advertising for a dealer, well, it didn’t work for me.
 
For advertisers, it either produces ROI or its dead cost. I come at it from a subscriber/consumer perspective. There are consumers who pay for these magazines and they are entitled to complete candor in a review. The other option would be leave out the opinion-just report objective facts-features, measurement, price, etc.

A good question for reviewers-do they consider themselves to be journalists? I've heard some of them refer to themselves as journalists and that carries an obligation of complete candor. If they are just marketing agents for manufacturers, so be it-just be upfront about it.
 
To me, John Atkinson laid out the perfect blueprint for all to see: subjective followed by objective. Brilliant and extremely valuable. Not easy to do, but always so good. His schit dac and devore reviews are ones I won’t ever forget.
 
Mike said:
To me, John Atkinson laid out the perfect blueprint for all to see: subjective followed by objective. Brilliant and extremely valuable. Not easy to do, but always so good. His schit dac and devore reviews are ones I won’t ever forget.
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JA does a good job and IMO better than most. I know you and I agree on the lack of results from advertising but I do not feel that the press in general ( not every single person) is straddling the fence because they are influenced ( a nic e word) by money. If yo ever want the truth follow the money that's what my father told me and he was correct.

New show tonight at 9pm and Mike and I will be participating in a new video to be released late this week or this weekend.
Get your popcorn ready!!
 
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