Having fun...A Generational Look...
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Shadowfax
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I recently saw a survey that said 63% of parents are still paying for their adult children, at home or even when they have moved out. The 3 things you listed were on the list.
As per Playing as a kid. Times have changed but their still needs to be a balance of Technology and Reality. I recently found an old notebook my mom saved forever. It included the Rules for a Sports Club we created when about 7 or 8. It also had a Play I wrote, that myself and friends performed for all the parents. We also used to do Variety Shows for the moms on Mothers day and such, I did Magic.
My phone is a first generation Motorola Razer flip phone, no Text, no DAta....call if you need to talk. I still use OTA for TV so no Cable bill. I work in a pretty techy field but when I go home, I disconnect from the grid as much as possible.
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IMO….Sheer and utter nonsense.
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Ever heard of common core? The crap they are teaching kids today?
That's sheer and utter nonsense.
Why are they teaching common core?
Lobbyists wanted it.
Who created common core?
Business
Why did business create common core?
Because they charge the school boards and state for every practice test and every test every single child in the state takes.
Education was the final frontier for businesses to infiltrate and they did.
I'm very pro-business, but not when it comes to education.
http://youtu.be/g2QGiGqz-xs
That's sheer and utter nonsense.
Why are they teaching common core?
Lobbyists wanted it.
Who created common core?
Business
Why did business create common core?
Because they charge the school boards and state for every practice test and every test every single child in the state takes.
Education was the final frontier for businesses to infiltrate and they did.
I'm very pro-business, but not when it comes to education.
http://youtu.be/g2QGiGqz-xs
BruceLet
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Mike, I don't think Common Core is the same argument as…."There is as much indoctrination as actual education taking place in schools today including colleges and universities…..
Albert
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Interesting videos, thanks for posting. As a high school teacher I can see some of this as well in not only my students but some of the younger staff as well. A lot of them are addicted to cell phones and are on it whenever they get a free moment.
I tried to ban cell phones in my classroom but admin told me I couldn't as the parents would complain that they couldn't contact the kids in an emergency. I argued that they could call the office but I only got a blank stare in return. During recess on nice days the kids are sitting on the floor in the hallway staring at their phone. Even the staff are fixated on their phones, often sending texts to each other while sitting beside each other in the staffroom.
Students also have trouble making it to class on time, some being late for every class each day. A lot of this is due to no consequences for being late so that is the schools fault. Some staff that live close to the school are also late every morning (there is a sign in sheet). I live 35 miles away and I am at work a half hour early every day.
The reliance on technology has made a mentally lazy generation of students from what I see as a high school math and science teacher. Most high school students don't know the times 10 table or can do math with fractions. Some can't write a complete sentence and reading comprehension has been tested to be several grades below grade level. And when I hand write instead of print notes on the board some students can't read it because they don't know cursive writing.
And keep those darn kids off my grass! Rant ended.
I tried to ban cell phones in my classroom but admin told me I couldn't as the parents would complain that they couldn't contact the kids in an emergency. I argued that they could call the office but I only got a blank stare in return. During recess on nice days the kids are sitting on the floor in the hallway staring at their phone. Even the staff are fixated on their phones, often sending texts to each other while sitting beside each other in the staffroom.
Students also have trouble making it to class on time, some being late for every class each day. A lot of this is due to no consequences for being late so that is the schools fault. Some staff that live close to the school are also late every morning (there is a sign in sheet). I live 35 miles away and I am at work a half hour early every day.
The reliance on technology has made a mentally lazy generation of students from what I see as a high school math and science teacher. Most high school students don't know the times 10 table or can do math with fractions. Some can't write a complete sentence and reading comprehension has been tested to be several grades below grade level. And when I hand write instead of print notes on the board some students can't read it because they don't know cursive writing.
And keep those darn kids off my grass! Rant ended.
GaryProtein
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Albert, everything you say is true.
I am a clinical attending and teach one day a week in a post-doctoral residency program, and the residents are so connected to their phones it's ridiculous. If I didn't make a rule for my seminars that phones get piled on a table in the corner of the room or away in their briefcase, they would be on them during lectures. It's bad enough that while they are note-taking on their computers (nobody hand writes notes any more) they can get most of what's on their phones off the WiFi, and nobody in the front of the room can see.
Most (I didn't say all) children today suck. I'm sorry, but it's true. They have no responsibility and that doesn't change for most of them once they hit the workplace. Most parents have FAILED their children. Schools give ribbons and trophies for fifth, even TENTH place. Everybody is a winner. Parents can't stand when their kids lose, but they don't blame themselves or their children, they find a scapegoat.
These videos wouldn't be funny if they weren't so true:
Child worship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6wOt2iXdc4
Millennials in the workplace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz0o9clVQu8
Don't even get me started on common core. My daughter is a teacher and what she tells me that is going on in education is just asinine. The math is positively ridiculous.
Common core song for Andrew Cuomo, (governor of New York State)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D066lb9fbQA
I am a clinical attending and teach one day a week in a post-doctoral residency program, and the residents are so connected to their phones it's ridiculous. If I didn't make a rule for my seminars that phones get piled on a table in the corner of the room or away in their briefcase, they would be on them during lectures. It's bad enough that while they are note-taking on their computers (nobody hand writes notes any more) they can get most of what's on their phones off the WiFi, and nobody in the front of the room can see.
Most (I didn't say all) children today suck. I'm sorry, but it's true. They have no responsibility and that doesn't change for most of them once they hit the workplace. Most parents have FAILED their children. Schools give ribbons and trophies for fifth, even TENTH place. Everybody is a winner. Parents can't stand when their kids lose, but they don't blame themselves or their children, they find a scapegoat.
These videos wouldn't be funny if they weren't so true:
Child worship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6wOt2iXdc4
Millennials in the workplace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz0o9clVQu8
Don't even get me started on common core. My daughter is a teacher and what she tells me that is going on in education is just asinine. The math is positively ridiculous.
Common core song for Andrew Cuomo, (governor of New York State)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D066lb9fbQA
My brother in law and his buddies do something that I believe has merit....
He and his motorcycle buds get together weekly to ride, stop off at different places and get a bite to eat together. He grew tired of all the damn cell phones going off and distractions of texting, answering the phone, etc. The proposal was made that when they arrive at the restaurant, all cell phones get placed in a pile in the center of the table. The first person to answer or pickup a phone during the meal pays for the entire sitting.
He said they only had to enforce the pile-o-phones a few times before everyone got the message and now they respect the group and don't dick with their phones at the table any more.
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Back to the OP topic. Bruce and Rob, nobody is saying today's youth are dumb or without skills. However, the original video posted is "what do you do for fun?". The fact that most youth of today finds their best fun sitting indoors playing with tech is just sad and I don't think that can be argued. And skills?....flexible thumbs, quick reaction times for shoot em ups, and chopped up grammar during texting isn't something that I believe should be touted. Maybe the reason the youth of today are sitting in front of the TV or iPad or smartphone is simply because mom and dad are doing the same. Monkey see, monkey do.
He and his motorcycle buds get together weekly to ride, stop off at different places and get a bite to eat together. He grew tired of all the damn cell phones going off and distractions of texting, answering the phone, etc. The proposal was made that when they arrive at the restaurant, all cell phones get placed in a pile in the center of the table. The first person to answer or pickup a phone during the meal pays for the entire sitting.
He said they only had to enforce the pile-o-phones a few times before everyone got the message and now they respect the group and don't dick with their phones at the table any more.
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Back to the OP topic. Bruce and Rob, nobody is saying today's youth are dumb or without skills. However, the original video posted is "what do you do for fun?". The fact that most youth of today finds their best fun sitting indoors playing with tech is just sad and I don't think that can be argued. And skills?....flexible thumbs, quick reaction times for shoot em ups, and chopped up grammar during texting isn't something that I believe should be touted. Maybe the reason the youth of today are sitting in front of the TV or iPad or smartphone is simply because mom and dad are doing the same. Monkey see, monkey do.
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Very, very cool and eye-opening video, Mike.
I've noticed this trend over here too. Even though I don't have kids, my nephews are heavily into phones, tablets, video games and such. It's quite annoying to be with family, and the kid is there in the corner, watching some crappy Youtube video of another kid playing video games... It's definitely something I'll never understand...
That said, I also don't think the luddite thing is the right way. Mobiles are good, text message is good. They're tools. It's how (and how much) you use them that can turn into a problem.
The last part of the video mentioned one thing that's very true: that it's innate to kids to want to play outside, with nature. If, for any reason, we take that from them, and force them to stay indoors, with tablets, computers and phones around the house, what other outcome would be expected? In violent areas/countries, it's all the worst, because parents simply have no recourse. They either leave the kids indoors, or they risk putting their lives at risk...
As I said, technology are the tools. They can be used for good, like introducing them to reading books. Just load a bunch of classic books on their iPad, and see if they pick that up, in between texts
I've noticed this trend over here too. Even though I don't have kids, my nephews are heavily into phones, tablets, video games and such. It's quite annoying to be with family, and the kid is there in the corner, watching some crappy Youtube video of another kid playing video games... It's definitely something I'll never understand...
That said, I also don't think the luddite thing is the right way. Mobiles are good, text message is good. They're tools. It's how (and how much) you use them that can turn into a problem.
The last part of the video mentioned one thing that's very true: that it's innate to kids to want to play outside, with nature. If, for any reason, we take that from them, and force them to stay indoors, with tablets, computers and phones around the house, what other outcome would be expected? In violent areas/countries, it's all the worst, because parents simply have no recourse. They either leave the kids indoors, or they risk putting their lives at risk...
As I said, technology are the tools. They can be used for good, like introducing them to reading books. Just load a bunch of classic books on their iPad, and see if they pick that up, in between texts
Threads like this, and thinking about how quickly our children are being 'engineered' in grossly negative ways makes me very very sad. I just don't see much hope moving forward. It's hard to imagine any reality 20 years down the road but far more people indoctrinated into only wanting to leech off the Govt teet, and the number of 'exceptional' individuals dwindling.
I'm not a History Professor, but I do try and read what I can. The parallels between our society and great societies of the past during their dying phases are impossible to ignore.
I want to be optimistic, I have a 12 year old daughter and want her to enjoy prosperity and freedom, but it's near impossible to see how we're heading on a path of making that reality for her.
I'm not a History Professor, but I do try and read what I can. The parallels between our society and great societies of the past during their dying phases are impossible to ignore.
I want to be optimistic, I have a 12 year old daughter and want her to enjoy prosperity and freedom, but it's near impossible to see how we're heading on a path of making that reality for her.
GaryProtein
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This is simply ludicrous.
CPP
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Bruce I agree, my wife had to get me to stop spending so much time fishing and playing golf it was a obsession not to mention costly, But! the major difference is the things you noted, golf, fishing and hunting and what Gary noted, cars remain outside of the home. My hobbies are cars, golf, fishing, kayak fishing remain outside. Those hobbies are not at the dinner table or at a restaurant in the form of a ipad or cellphone.
Have you been to a movie theater lately when the cell phones are lit up like Christmas trees with people texting and talking, i see why Netflix type services are 'cool'.
We had a Thanksgiving dinner 3 years ago, with family and friends and their children and it appears everyone under 30 is either playing some game on their phones or texting. It's an obsession of sorts not to miss out on anything. So my generation which are the baby boomers at our last holiday dinner we asked everyone including adults to put their cell phones and tablets in a box. It was the only way to enjoy a complete holiday dinner with family and friends. Watching the young ones well, it was like they were fighting some "drug withdrawal" for the first hour but after a few hours with family games or just setting around talking thereby getting them involved has turned these holidays into a holiday ritual since. And now the young ones are taking charge, with games, family stories.
But I do agree when we were kids we loved TV, addicted to the shows, but our parents would just walk over and tell us go outside and play and of course we did. We had things like basketball, football, baseball, playing catch, building forts, riding our bikes etc.. The kids today are so mobile and computer literate, which is not a bad thing all, its the way of the future. My girls 28 and 34 both held a 3.5-4.2 throughout high school and college ( both hold professional jobs) still love their tablets and smartphones and they also note that when they were kids and went to the movies you could actually enjoy the movie without phones ringing and people texting. How times have changed as they grow up.
The education in schools today, well our generation and those before us always had their way of teaching children in your school district or following some state program, like this one. "The curlicue letters of cursive handwriting, once considered a mainstay of American elementary education, have been slowly disappearing from classrooms for years. Now, with most states adopting new national standards that don’t require such instruction, cursive could soon be eliminated from most public schools." In a lot of schools they has phased out music and arts programs and even PE citing its takes the kids away from preparing for college and "test".
It is amazing how generations have evolved.
BlueFox
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I once made a post that stated audiophiles are like heroin addicts since we, or at least me, can sit comatose for hours (with a music server), just lost in the music. Granted, it isn't all day, but it isn't much different than staring at your phone. The funny part is it must have hit a sore spot because some guy got all spun up at the simile.
Albert
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Sad but true. I don't know how many times I've been told by teachers that they could never teach math or science, it is so hard. Yet they have to teach these subjects in their class. No wonder by the time I get to see them they are so far behind.
Albert
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Actually students were more respectful when I went to school. I don't remember ever hearing a student swear at a teacher or spitting at them. Or punching a teacher in the throat. All of these things happened to me as well as other teachers and staff members. When I went to my principal about these students I was asked what did I do to cause this and did I have witnesses to prove that it happened. I don't bother going to the office anymore.
One maintenance member was slapped in the back of the head by a student walking by. He slammed the student against a locker and was going to punch him in the face but he stopped himself in time. He was gone for six months but was hired back. The student was suspended for the rest of the year.
As for the teachers being better, it seemed like it but it is difficult to tell as I liked school. My math and science teachers were good as they encouraged me to teach myself calculus and I went on to get my Masters in Physics. Not all of them were great as one year the Phys.Ed. teacher had to teach grade 11 algebra and we weren't allowed to ask any questions. It was obvious that he was just trying to stay a few pages ahead of us but he managed to get through it.
There are respectful and smart students as well, the majority in fact. But it is definitely not like it was when I started teaching 20 years ago.
One maintenance member was slapped in the back of the head by a student walking by. He slammed the student against a locker and was going to punch him in the face but he stopped himself in time. He was gone for six months but was hired back. The student was suspended for the rest of the year.
As for the teachers being better, it seemed like it but it is difficult to tell as I liked school. My math and science teachers were good as they encouraged me to teach myself calculus and I went on to get my Masters in Physics. Not all of them were great as one year the Phys.Ed. teacher had to teach grade 11 algebra and we weren't allowed to ask any questions. It was obvious that he was just trying to stay a few pages ahead of us but he managed to get through it.
There are respectful and smart students as well, the majority in fact. But it is definitely not like it was when I started teaching 20 years ago.
FlexibleAudio
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I remember my parents and grandparents being all freaked out about us kids in the 1960's and 70's. We were all doomed for lack of values and sense. I for one spent a lot of time watching Gilligan's Island and enjoying the hippy culture. I grew up and prospered. I have also raised three kids who grew up on technology (including lots of mind expanding video games), went on to major Universities and are doing fine. My point is times change and people evolve and adapt. I see a lot positives in technology for future generations. It all come down to the personal values of the parents and how they are passed down.
Screen addiction has existed for 50 years. In the device age, it is prevalent than ever. The digital revolution will begin to permeate physical reality in the next decade.
Our facet of life will continue to be augmented by our digital dependencies. That is the world we live in at this time and age.
Finding ones balance is an individual thing. I find peace scuba diving in the tropics far away from the metropolitan world.
Our facet of life will continue to be augmented by our digital dependencies. That is the world we live in at this time and age.
Finding ones balance is an individual thing. I find peace scuba diving in the tropics far away from the metropolitan world.
Shadowfax
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I went to a Chickies and Petes last night for a Burger and Beer. The girl dropped off 2 plates with 2 forks, no knife. When we ordered, the girl could not tell my wife the difference between Medium and Medium Well. I had to go to the Hostess to ask for a Knife since the waitress never came back. This Is the NEW NORM for today's teens and twenty somethings. The extent of their world knowledge is Texting Shorthand and Selfies. Most, not all, cannot speak in full sentences or answer a question with a coherent and complete answer.
As far as cell phones go, adults are just as bad as the kids. The last wedding I went to was in my wife's family. They always sit us with her cousins. One couple spent the whole of 4 hours texting with their kids and themselves while sitting next to each other so nobody at the table would hear them talking and giggling about each other. This couple was in their 50s.
Where I work, there is always that handful that is staring at the phone all day instead of their computer or work related materials. Meetings are nothing but 20 some people not paying attention to the speaker, but playing with the phone.
I am so happy to not be on the grid when outside of work like that. Until a simple phone without required data plans are available, I will not have a smartphone. If my Razor lasts 10 more years, I will remain just as happy. I got 5 new batteries for $15 so I am set.
Back in the 70s when I went to school, I chose to go to a Trade School and not my regular area High School. I walked a mile, took a bus, then an elevated train, then walked another half mile into one of the lousiest neighborhoods in Philly. I could not tell people where I lived because I would get my ass kicked for just being a Pussy From the Northeast. (we had trees and grass and clean neighborhoods) The school was full of Single Parent families of drunks, drug addicts, gang bangers and whatever. Luckily the Blacks and Puerto Ricans hated each other more than they hated whites and fought amongst each other.
We had one ahole that dropped a Quaalude in the teachers coffee when he was not in the room. Another time he packed the teachers pipe with a good bud. The teacher put his cherry tobacco in and started puffing away. (teachers could smoke in the schools back then) Halfway thru, he hit the bud and caught an instant buzz. Another kid would put glue all over the teachers phone so when he answered it his face got covered with glue.
The teachers were threatened regularly, verbally mostly but I also saw physical, so it's nothing new going on, it seems to just be happening in places not expected.
The thing I am scared the most of right now, is Health Care. After dealing with my late Father in Law in a Skilled Nursing Home for 2 years, I am totally freaked out as to the kind of care I will get in 20-30 years when I am that age and need help. It is utterly pathetic what passes as a Nurse these days, let alone all these so called Doctors who got their credentials in some 3rd world country and then show up here for the quick and easy almighty dollars.
The last time I had surgery 2 years ago, the young Bimbo Nurse put the IV needle straight thru my vein and started to push the meds. I first asked why I was getting a lump on my arm and was told "don't worry about it, it's nothing. By the time it got to be half the size of a baseball, I was pretty worried. Since no nurse even came back to check on me for 20 minutes, my wife went looking for help. The Bimbo made every excuse, never once apologized or took responsibility for screwing up. Another nurse figured out what happened.
The first stick was in my forearm but she failed to get a good hit. For the record, they are supposed to do Hand first and if no good veins, move up to forearm. Since she screwed up in my forearm and had to redo it a second time in my hand, she hit the same one she was trying for in my forearm. So what happened is she actually put a hole in the vein in the forearm, and when getting a good stick in the hand, it was the same vein and all the fluids and meds went into the back of my hand, and right out the hole in the vein in my arm. They were not even going to note this in the records until after my wife, who is a 35 year Respiratory Therapist, insisted it me noted.
This is today's generation already and tomorrow's is gonna be worse.
As far as cell phones go, adults are just as bad as the kids. The last wedding I went to was in my wife's family. They always sit us with her cousins. One couple spent the whole of 4 hours texting with their kids and themselves while sitting next to each other so nobody at the table would hear them talking and giggling about each other. This couple was in their 50s.
Where I work, there is always that handful that is staring at the phone all day instead of their computer or work related materials. Meetings are nothing but 20 some people not paying attention to the speaker, but playing with the phone.
I am so happy to not be on the grid when outside of work like that. Until a simple phone without required data plans are available, I will not have a smartphone. If my Razor lasts 10 more years, I will remain just as happy. I got 5 new batteries for $15 so I am set.
Back in the 70s when I went to school, I chose to go to a Trade School and not my regular area High School. I walked a mile, took a bus, then an elevated train, then walked another half mile into one of the lousiest neighborhoods in Philly. I could not tell people where I lived because I would get my ass kicked for just being a Pussy From the Northeast. (we had trees and grass and clean neighborhoods) The school was full of Single Parent families of drunks, drug addicts, gang bangers and whatever. Luckily the Blacks and Puerto Ricans hated each other more than they hated whites and fought amongst each other.
We had one ahole that dropped a Quaalude in the teachers coffee when he was not in the room. Another time he packed the teachers pipe with a good bud. The teacher put his cherry tobacco in and started puffing away. (teachers could smoke in the schools back then) Halfway thru, he hit the bud and caught an instant buzz. Another kid would put glue all over the teachers phone so when he answered it his face got covered with glue.
The teachers were threatened regularly, verbally mostly but I also saw physical, so it's nothing new going on, it seems to just be happening in places not expected.
The thing I am scared the most of right now, is Health Care. After dealing with my late Father in Law in a Skilled Nursing Home for 2 years, I am totally freaked out as to the kind of care I will get in 20-30 years when I am that age and need help. It is utterly pathetic what passes as a Nurse these days, let alone all these so called Doctors who got their credentials in some 3rd world country and then show up here for the quick and easy almighty dollars.
The last time I had surgery 2 years ago, the young Bimbo Nurse put the IV needle straight thru my vein and started to push the meds. I first asked why I was getting a lump on my arm and was told "don't worry about it, it's nothing. By the time it got to be half the size of a baseball, I was pretty worried. Since no nurse even came back to check on me for 20 minutes, my wife went looking for help. The Bimbo made every excuse, never once apologized or took responsibility for screwing up. Another nurse figured out what happened.
The first stick was in my forearm but she failed to get a good hit. For the record, they are supposed to do Hand first and if no good veins, move up to forearm. Since she screwed up in my forearm and had to redo it a second time in my hand, she hit the same one she was trying for in my forearm. So what happened is she actually put a hole in the vein in the forearm, and when getting a good stick in the hand, it was the same vein and all the fluids and meds went into the back of my hand, and right out the hole in the vein in my arm. They were not even going to note this in the records until after my wife, who is a 35 year Respiratory Therapist, insisted it me noted.
This is today's generation already and tomorrow's is gonna be worse.