Grounding units like - "Tripoint" - "Shunyata" Triton/Typhon
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Nordost has a power strip that is based on a star grounding system in their Quantum products. You disconnect the ground on your main power receptacle and run a new primary earth ground to your power strip. A PC then comes from your power strip to your main AC feed. Your preamp is then plugged into a specific outlet on the power strip. All other components plug into the remaining outlets I demoed this recently and it was definitely a blacker background and a more open sound. It seemed to bring out some more detail as well..
Nordost has a power strip that is based on a star grounding system in their Quantum products. You disconnect the ground on your main power receptacle and run a new primary earth ground to your power strip. A PC then comes from your power strip to your main AC feed. Your preamp is then plugged into a specific outlet on the power strip. All other components plug into the remaining outlets I demoed this recently and it was definitely a blacker background and a more open sound. It seemed to bring out some more detail as well..
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David, is this type of earth grounding also recommended for the Ansuz power bar?
David, is this type of earth grounding also recommended for the Ansuz power bar?
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Dev, you interested in grounding systems? or power line conditioners? or both?
I have a dedicated room which has its own electrical system. I use an isolation transformer, Hubbell outlets, and have a star grounding system. All of this was done by the local electrician. I live in an area prone to outages and spikes.
There is a lot of black magic being sold in this area. If I were to indulge in "audiophile solutions", I would only buy from a few companies. Shunyata and Audience being the first two that come to mind.
I have a dedicated room which has its own electrical system. I use an isolation transformer, Hubbell outlets, and have a star grounding system. All of this was done by the local electrician. I live in an area prone to outages and spikes.
There is a lot of black magic being sold in this area. If I were to indulge in "audiophile solutions", I would only buy from a few companies. Shunyata and Audience being the first two that come to mind.
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I believe it is very similar. Ansuz and Nordost seem to have very similar products. Ansuz just released the SparkzTC which is active and Nordost just announced an active device just like it. Or at least it seems to be. Lars says their products have a different design philosophy than Nordost so I can't say for certain. I believe Notdost version of the Sparkz is a QV2. I have both but have not done a comparison.
I believe it is very similar. Ansuz and Nordost seem to have very similar products. Ansuz just released the SparkzTC which is active and Nordost just announced an active device just like it. Or at least it seems to be. Lars says their products have a different design philosophy than Nordost so I can't say for certain. I believe Notdost version of the Sparkz is a QV2. I have both but have not done a comparison.
Re: Grounding units like - "Tripoint" - "Shunyata" Triton/Typhon
I have a Triton/ Typhon combo for my front end. I also run a Typhon in parallel with each amp. I ran the Triton/Typhon on the front end for a couple of months before adding the 2 Typhons to the amps. The Triton/ Typhon on the front end is very good. I replaced an excellent Audience aR6-TSS with them and they were clearly superior. Adding the Typhons to the amps is an expensive proposition if you're running mono amps. You're talking $5k for each box and another $2k for the umbilicals to plug in to your outlet, not to mention the real estate you consume. I also found that placing 4 Stillpoints Ultra 5s under each box is the best isolation support for the Typhons and improves performance even more. All that said, you will be dumbfounded with the results. The increase in clarity, improved resolution across every frequency, the additional layering, width and depth of soundstage is staggering. No way I'm taking them out of my system. A couple of others have tried the Typhon with amp solution and reported similar findings.
I have a Triton/ Typhon combo for my front end. I also run a Typhon in parallel with each amp. I ran the Triton/Typhon on the front end for a couple of months before adding the 2 Typhons to the amps. The Triton/ Typhon on the front end is very good. I replaced an excellent Audience aR6-TSS with them and they were clearly superior. Adding the Typhons to the amps is an expensive proposition if you're running mono amps. You're talking $5k for each box and another $2k for the umbilicals to plug in to your outlet, not to mention the real estate you consume. I also found that placing 4 Stillpoints Ultra 5s under each box is the best isolation support for the Typhons and improves performance even more. All that said, you will be dumbfounded with the results. The increase in clarity, improved resolution across every frequency, the additional layering, width and depth of soundstage is staggering. No way I'm taking them out of my system. A couple of others have tried the Typhon with amp solution and reported similar findings.
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If I were doing a new room from scratch I would use a Torus 100 amp panel and then use Your favorite devices from Shunyata, Nordost or Ansuz. I'm sure there are many other options that work very well that I'm just not familiar with. I do have several power supplies from Accuphase that I use from time to time and they are not subtle differences. But would be a matter of taste if you like it or not.
If I were doing a new room from scratch I would use a Torus 100 amp panel and then use Your favorite devices from Shunyata, Nordost or Ansuz. I'm sure there are many other options that work very well that I'm just not familiar with. I do have several power supplies from Accuphase that I use from time to time and they are not subtle differences. But would be a matter of taste if you like it or not.
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Ok, I'll bite, what exactly would be the technical justification for using additional devices after a Torus isolation transformer??
Ok, I'll bite, what exactly would be the technical justification for using additional devices after a Torus isolation transformer??
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The Torus offers surge protection and is a conditioner as well. You can run 5 20 amp circuits to any location you need them and still have conditioned power. Them you can use what ever power/grounding strip you want. It's just a way to get better power from your incoming AC than a standard electrical panel
The Torus offers surge protection and is a conditioner as well. You can run 5 20 amp circuits to any location you need them and still have conditioned power. Them you can use what ever power/grounding strip you want. It's just a way to get better power from your incoming AC than a standard electrical panel
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I realized I didn't answer your question. I can't really say for sure but the Shunyata doesn't actually do any surge protection or conditioning other than EMI/RF. So I guess in theory you would be starting with cleaner more stable power with the Torus and then you get the benefits of the Shunyata. All of these power products are worthless if you don't have clean regulated power coming in. Just my opinion though. I'm not a power guru by any means.
I realized I didn't answer your question. I can't really say for sure but the Shunyata doesn't actually do any surge protection or conditioning other than EMI/RF. So I guess in theory you would be starting with cleaner more stable power with the Torus and then you get the benefits of the Shunyata. All of these power products are worthless if you don't have clean regulated power coming in. Just my opinion though. I'm not a power guru by any means.
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The Triton does provide surge protection and is one of the finest stand alone conditioners I've used. I've had a Torus AVR 60, Audience, MIT and various Richard Gray units. None as good as the Triton, IMO.
The Triton does provide surge protection and is one of the finest stand alone conditioners I've used. I've had a Torus AVR 60, Audience, MIT and various Richard Gray units. None as good as the Triton, IMO.
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Sorry dude. I didn't realize the Triton had surge protection without adding a plug in device. I'm not trying to say anything bad about your equipment. I just gave my opinion on what it would do if I were redoing my power or doing a new room. I just think it would be cool to have up to 100 amps of clean power going where ever I need it to go in my room from one device. I think the Triton if I added a Triton to that it would be just as beneficial. Like I said it's just my opinion and I am not trying to sell you on anything.
Sorry dude. I didn't realize the Triton had surge protection without adding a plug in device. I'm not trying to say anything bad about your equipment. I just gave my opinion on what it would do if I were redoing my power or doing a new room. I just think it would be cool to have up to 100 amps of clean power going where ever I need it to go in my room from one device. I think the Triton if I added a Triton to that it would be just as beneficial. Like I said it's just my opinion and I am not trying to sell you on anything.
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I'm a Shunyata dealer but haven't done much with them until recently. I obviously need to educate myself a little better. I just had the Nordost on my mind from talking about it earlier and they do not offer surge protection for sure
I'm a Shunyata dealer but haven't done much with them until recently. I obviously need to educate myself a little better. I just had the Nordost on my mind from talking about it earlier and they do not offer surge protection for sure
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No offense taken, sorry if you took it that way. I was just correcting the error. I agree with you about clean power, can't have too much of it.
No offense taken, sorry if you took it that way. I was just correcting the error. I agree with you about clean power, can't have too much of it.
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No big deal it's all good. I came from a theater / automation background and I will admit that I'm still learning on a daily basis about some of this product.
No big deal it's all good. I came from a theater / automation background and I will admit that I'm still learning on a daily basis about some of this product.
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Re: Grounding units like - "Tripoint" - "Shunyata" Triton/Typhon
lol, for the record, I have a Torus, WM-100.....
lol, for the record, I have a Torus, WM-100.....
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Re: Grounding units like - "Tripoint" - "Shunyata" Triton/Typhon
Interesting. On another forum, there was some debate between Bryston's BIT20 vs. Shunyata's Triton and some favored the BIT20 because they felt it offered surge protection and the Triton did not. Just went to Shunyata's site and there it is in their tech specs:
Frank, I've also heard the Cyclops is the high current device to be placed between your amp and the wall, but you use the Typhon. Have you ever tried the Cyclops and just felt the Typhon was a better conditioner? And when you place the Typhon in parallel, do you mean you plug it into one of the two receptacles of an outlet and the amp in the other outlet?
Apologies for all the questions. I just took delivery of some Shunyata cables and it made a huge difference to my system. Trying to learn more about their other offerings and how to use them.
cheers
Interesting. On another forum, there was some debate between Bryston's BIT20 vs. Shunyata's Triton and some favored the BIT20 because they felt it offered surge protection and the Triton did not. Just went to Shunyata's site and there it is in their tech specs:
MAXIMUM VOLTAGE
- Max Voltage (US): 125VAC unregulated
- Max Voltage (Asia): 230VAC unregulated
- Max Voltage (Euro): 240VAC unregulated
CURRENT RATINGS
- Max continuous current: 20 Amps (US and Asia)
- Max continuous current: 16 Amps (EU)
- Peak instantaneous current: >200 Amps (800ms)
SURGE SUPPRESSION
- Max surge current: 40,000 Amps (8 / 50ms)
NOISE REDUCTION TECHNOLOGY
- 1 x MPDA (multi-phase differential array)
- NIC (Noise Isolation Chambers)
- Patented (ZrCa ferroelectric compound)
- Volume: 11,935mm2 (50.8 x 234.95mm)
- Hot and neutral and ground NICs
...
- Max Voltage (US): 125VAC unregulated
- Max Voltage (Asia): 230VAC unregulated
- Max Voltage (Euro): 240VAC unregulated
CURRENT RATINGS
- Max continuous current: 20 Amps (US and Asia)
- Max continuous current: 16 Amps (EU)
- Peak instantaneous current: >200 Amps (800ms)
SURGE SUPPRESSION
- Max surge current: 40,000 Amps (8 / 50ms)
NOISE REDUCTION TECHNOLOGY
- 1 x MPDA (multi-phase differential array)
- NIC (Noise Isolation Chambers)
- Patented (ZrCa ferroelectric compound)
- Volume: 11,935mm2 (50.8 x 234.95mm)
- Hot and neutral and ground NICs
...
Frank, I've also heard the Cyclops is the high current device to be placed between your amp and the wall, but you use the Typhon. Have you ever tried the Cyclops and just felt the Typhon was a better conditioner? And when you place the Typhon in parallel, do you mean you plug it into one of the two receptacles of an outlet and the amp in the other outlet?
Apologies for all the questions. I just took delivery of some Shunyata cables and it made a huge difference to my system. Trying to learn more about their other offerings and how to use them.
cheers
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Re: Grounding units like - "Tripoint" - "Shunyata" Triton/Typhon
Actually the surge protection information came directly from Caelin on another forum. He made the point a day or two ago. I went back and checked to make sure before posting.
I went with the 2 Typhons after discussion with Caelin. He called it extreme but very effective, more so than the Cyclops. He said he doesn't recommend the Typhon route only because of cost. The Typhon has larger NICs than the Cyclops so in theory they should give you more of what the Cyclops can deliver. I never went the Cyclops route after communicating with Caelin so I can't offer an opinion on the Cyclops. Yes, you're correct, you plug the Typhon into the open receptacle in the outlet, it works in parallel. They also recommend you use a short umbilical so you have to place the box near the outlet.
I will tell you, the difference with the Typhons in are not insignificant. I had to unplug them at first because I couldn't believe what was going on. I don't think Mike or Joe would mind if I mention this because they both post on What's Best Forum, there's a long thread on this very subject and actually a couple of threads that could give you some good information.
Hope that helps Allen.
Actually the surge protection information came directly from Caelin on another forum. He made the point a day or two ago. I went back and checked to make sure before posting.
I went with the 2 Typhons after discussion with Caelin. He called it extreme but very effective, more so than the Cyclops. He said he doesn't recommend the Typhon route only because of cost. The Typhon has larger NICs than the Cyclops so in theory they should give you more of what the Cyclops can deliver. I never went the Cyclops route after communicating with Caelin so I can't offer an opinion on the Cyclops. Yes, you're correct, you plug the Typhon into the open receptacle in the outlet, it works in parallel. They also recommend you use a short umbilical so you have to place the box near the outlet.
I will tell you, the difference with the Typhons in are not insignificant. I had to unplug them at first because I couldn't believe what was going on. I don't think Mike or Joe would mind if I mention this because they both post on What's Best Forum, there's a long thread on this very subject and actually a couple of threads that could give you some good information.
Hope that helps Allen.