Esoteric migrating off of AKM Dac chips for flagship D1X?

Just to add as i am not good any writing reviews.

I came across this article (in the middle of the page) http://www.enjoythemusic.com/AXPONA_2019/Weaver/page4.htm

Spot on what exactly i was trying to convey, but did not use the term; "Microdynamics" in spades in audio lingo!

The bass now has further opened up. I can only describe that bass is not just about more, better, tighter bass. It sound above all that, bass i am getting now is most accurately described as i am getting bass from a woofer 1 -2 inches bigger! Deep bass now hit from the floor up!

I am truly more than impressed! I was not expecting such improvements or should i say this new direction in sound is really a new revolution in sound for Esoteric, rightly said.

I am glad that they have moved on from the AKM chips. Whatever sound obtained from the AK chips they have previously used, it has been a delight to get away from AKM dac chips.
 
Hi Alex,

There seems that some forumers have via PM asked on some feedback of the D1x, and have received theirs, sadly no impressions left here for other interested forumers.

I am still waiting for the MQA update, before concluding.

I have high expectations on trying the full MQA experience as my streamers currently do the partial unfold.

Unquestionably, from playing with many clocks upgrades in my network system, experiencing clocking and clock cables to streamer, dac and transport.

The results, choice and sonic direction is similar to what i hear when i stream MQA.

The addition of D1x, from the previous gen is spot on improvement to what i hear an am seeking out.

I do highly recommend one moves away from the the commercial dac chips for an upgrade, be it MSb, totaldac etc.

I am currently awaiting to also streamline my network with using just 2 sotm will be masterclocked by the mutec and later, using the outputs to clock every single networking component.

I have for a few weeks connected the K-01x as a transport and reassed my using streaming. Playing Cd's now show much more refinement from the K-01x which i was not getting just using the K-01x as a full player. So the K series dacs have been identified as the weakness (or possibly the AKM chip) as i did not find too much difference worth mentioning when i use my NAD m50.2 to play cd's through the K-01x dac and as a full player before.

The D1x is a huge step up which is so much more revealing of sources and expect as it any other dac at this level or higher can be even more critical how you eventually synergise your system to your sonic preference that posibly choosing the wrong dac, be it a Wadax, MSB, totaldac etc could cause much more expenditure either changing out other components to resynergise your sound.

The best is that if you can have a home trial to ensure the general change is in line with your expectations.

On hindsight, i was silly to dive in blindly and not comparing a few other dacs, but it is just to hard and tiring, but my choice was with MQA upgrade in time to come (and i refuse to add the cost of trying and subsequently adding an expensive USB to allow full MQA any other MQA dac) and that the overall Esoteric DNA sound is retained with quantum gains in the improvement of smoothess and organic sound with deep unobstrusive basslines, which i do not find erring on the overly warm or softness.

Having time just using the M1, M2 and M3 filters, there is a gain moving to M3 progressively gaining more naturalness to the point i am identifying softness that i do not prefer overall. But all 3 sound modes sound just as fantastic that i could live with any if not given a choice.

It seems the M3 mode has the least distortion of the 3 sound modes and my preference is upsampling x8 and 16X even with the transport setting.

Organic and non sampling with M3 guess sound mellow to me and less excitement. Maybe more to a R2R dac sound, if others with experience could chime in. Possibly R2R dacs may be better for those who listen to more classical.

I get zero edge, harness or glare for my main genre of more upbeat music from rock to pop to house but have noticed some unplugged live recordings and more recent Norah Jones tracks with more string instruments and vocals and sound spooky and realistic that i am am somehow just keep replaying over and over, which i hardly wanted to listen to before using the K-01x which may have just lacked that certain specialness, musicality and a great absence of any sonic imprint that leaves a very balances spectrum top to bottom that attracts my attention deeply to this musical evenness in the performance that gels as a whole conveying the artistic beauty, experience and message so much better.


I am interested as your impressions too as you have auditioned the D1x and P1x and maybe leave impression for others.
 
Remind me, what DAC did you come from immediately before D1x?

Also, how are software updates done on D1x?
 
Hey,

Further impressions on the D1X pls?

Thanks
Alex


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I heard the P1X/D1X on 5 seatings in Munich as well as the N-03T and was very impressed. Write me for finer details. The P1X/D1X has an amazing and very musical sound presentation, a bit more rounded and warm than the P1/D1 without sacrificing the killer imaging, sound-staging and top to bottom extension that Esoteric is known for.

In short, all the transparency, top to bottom speed, accuracy, musically realistic playback, rock solid imaging and detail that Esoteric is known for and more. A bit more warmth overall in the mids and highs especially like the K1 so a bit more analog but not overly warm (like the K1) and without giving up any of the resolution, imaging, speed, transient playback, etc...of the P1/D1. Extremely close to the existing P1/D1 but with a bit more analog playback quality to it consistent with the change in fundamental DAC design philosophy. I dare say Esoteric's best effort to date bar none for CD and SACD playback and their first where the RBCD was 100% equal to the SACD playback (which has always been IMHO the world's finest). Where the D1Xs took a step up over the 02, 02X and even the D1 generations is streaming playback. I was surprised by the more natural
and more disc-like playback of anything streamed through the N-03T connected with the D1X DACs.

All this from a P1X, D1X and N-03T which were close to new, not burnt in, using mid-level speakers and good quality power conditioning and cables; the Esoteric C1 pre-amp and M1 monos were in use (I know their sound well), the overall choice of showing speakers, cables and power left no doubt that even without burn in, the P1X, D1X spinning discs had not equal at the show were on a short list of 2 (IMHO) for best of show.

Wadax Reference DAC, monster beauty that it is, together with the Atlantis Transport, and the JMF Audio universal player and DAC were, IMHO, the other jaw-dropping/impressive D->A playback experiences at the shows for CD and SACD playback...

Please note there were other strong contenders for streaming playback in Munich and that I've heard including the Wadax and Esoteric setups, but I am not responding in this thread for general streaming DAC performance.
 
... I dare say Esoteric's best effort to date bar none for CD and SACD playback and their first where the RBCD was 100% equal to the SACD playback (which has always been IMHO the world's finest)..

As time goes by I'm finding it difficult to justify buying SACD. Especially when some SACD cost $100+ more than the CD version. The Grandioso P1 blurs the differences between the formats. If you're starting to find this with P1x it comes as no surprise.
 
As time goes by I'm finding it difficult to justify buying SACD. Especially when some SACD cost $100+ more than the CD version. The Grandioso P1 blurs the differences between the formats. If you're starting to find this with P1x it comes as no surprise.

Agreed but the cost of CDs from SHM and others is $50-$60USD and more as well....There are other options out there from Stockfisch and other quality pressings that have more normal pricing.
 
I just bought this SACD title on eBay. Compared to the free version on Spotify Premium, the SACD 'aint worth the premium price. Although $30 for the CD would be.

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I just bought this SACD title on eBay. Compared to the free version on Spotify Premium, the SACD 'aint worth the premium price. Although $30 for the CD would be.

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I've had that one for quite some time; good but not great. There are always exceptions....There are many positive and negative examples for CD, SACD, Streaming....
 
I heard the P1X/D1X on 5 seatings in Munich as well as the N-03T and was very impressed. Write me for finer details. The P1X/D1X has an amazing and very musical sound presentation, a bit more rounded and warm than the P1/D1 without sacrificing the killer imaging, sound-staging and top to bottom extension that Esoteric is known for.

In short, all the transparency, top to bottom speed, accuracy, musically realistic playback, rock solid imaging and detail that Esoteric is known for and more. A bit more warmth overall in the mids and highs especially like the K1 so a bit more analog but not overly warm (like the K1) and without giving up any of the resolution, imaging, speed, transient playback, etc...of the P1/D1. Extremely close to the existing P1/D1 but with a bit more analog playback quality to it consistent with the change in fundamental DAC design philosophy. I dare say Esoteric's best effort to date bar none for CD and SACD playback and their first where the RBCD was 100% equal to the SACD playback (which has always been IMHO the world's finest). Where the D1Xs took a step up over the 02, 02X and even the D1 generations is streaming playback. I was surprised by the more natural
and more disc-like playback of anything streamed through the N-03T connected with the D1X DACs.

All this from a P1X, D1X and N-03T which were close to new, not burnt in, using mid-level speakers and good quality power conditioning and cables; the Esoteric C1 pre-amp and M1 monos were in use (I know their sound well), the overall choice of showing speakers, cables and power left no doubt that even without burn in, the P1X, D1X spinning discs had not equal at the show were on a short list of 2 (IMHO) for best of show.

Wadax Reference DAC, monster beauty that it is, together with the Atlantis Transport, and the JMF Audio universal player and DAC were, IMHO, the other jaw-dropping/impressive D->A playback experiences at the shows for CD and SACD playback...

Please note there were other strong contenders for streaming playback in Munich and that I've heard including the Wadax and Esoteric setups, but I am not responding in this thread for general streaming DAC performance.
Well on my side there is only one dealer proposing a demo of the combo and home demo trial is unfortunately not an option in HK. Every time I listened to a CD or a SACD I have been impressed : clarity, micro and macro dynamics, transparency and at the same time no digital edge / harshness. I would say more forgiving than previous Esoteric players I am familiar with particularly with not so great recordings ( obviously it's not doing miracle, a bad recording is a bad recording ).
Then I listened with the N03T ( dual AES ) ,with a USB key and a regular router setup ( so no optimization at all) . I have been less impressed. Dont get me wrong it was very good but the direct and immediate comparison with the previous spinning performance was ...
So most probably with a transport of the same level of the P1X ( SGM and alike ) and a more optimized network setup,performance would have very close.
The only thing is that I did not read anything specific about a specific improvement of the non proprietary digital input ( USB particularly )

Alex

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By any chance do they still have a P1 in the store on demo? I'd like to know how P1 and P1x compare, all other things being equal.
 
Well on my side there is only one dealer proposing a demo of the combo and home demo trial is unfortunately not an option in HK. Every time I listened to a CD or a SACD I have been impressed : clarity, micro and macro dynamics, transparency and at the same time no digital edge / harshness. I would say more forgiving than previous Esoteric players I am familiar with particularly with not so great recordings ( obviously it's not doing miracle, a bad recording is a bad recording ).
Then I listened with the N03T ( dual AES ) ,with a USB key and a regular router setup ( so no optimization at all) . I have been less impressed. Dont get me wrong it was very good but the direct and immediate comparison with the previous spinning performance was ...
So most probably with a transport of the same level of the P1X ( SGM and alike ) and a more optimized network setup,performance would have very close.
The only thing is that I did not read anything specific about a specific improvement of the non proprietary digital input ( USB particularly )

Alex

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I have just read SCA's impressions and indeed he is spot on and surprised as his listening was at show conditions.

I expect from his familiarity with the Esoteric lineup he has the differences between the earlier well covered.

I can only imagime the connections with dual hdmi using the ESlink5, i believe that that would be another big milestone.

It seems to me that you are keen on the transport like myself and wanting to know more how it performs as a dac.

Although i can only use my K-01x into a mutec reclocker (all masterclocked) with Shunyata Sigma clock cables as posted in my earlier post was that there is another dimension of refinement that has been revealed by the D1x that i have not experienced before with my Aurender w20 (also mastercloked), so can only imagine how the P1x would sound paired.

However, the D1x sonic signature alone without the P1x has and is to me still everything as you, SCA and myself have described.

I have never been a fan of USB, this may more be a limitation from the source than the D1x, Maybe SCA may be able to offer his impressions here on the USB input.

Yes, the SGM is tempting and logical, but am more than contented currently and what is need is a N1T streamer connecting via ESlink5 (dual hdmi) to the D1x. Lets see if it will be made and have an audition it in my system.

I would add that if one feels that their system is on the forgiving side and already warm, even the D1 at discounted prices may be a good snag.


"I would say more forgiving than previous Esoteric players I am familiar with particularly with not so great recordings ( obviously it's not doing miracle, a bad recording is a bad recording ). "

I would not say forgiving, but the way the overall details of the D1x and presented do not seem as impressively spotlit (but has everything and more) and now to me the k-01x presents it seemingly disjointed from part of the whole musical performance. (Generalisation of the previous Esoteric "House" soundand presentation), but am guessing the shift in sonic character looks to have started from the release of the K1.


At this level, your decision should be made if you feel comfortable with the progression of the Esoteric sound over the years, but it seems the stack is getting excellent impressions from shows and reviews so far.

Why i say this, is because I would caution anyone coming from a different brand of dac, likely is optimised with different cables which may now give a very different result as opposed to already having Esoteric as a dac.

The of requirement of double sets of powercords and clock cables to re-optimise quickly adds to the cost, that is why some caution has to be taken with accessing the compatibility in ones setup.

On hindsight, although i am guilty, i should not have blindly buy any component at this prices without accessing the compatibility and the correct sonic direction you are wanting.

I practically ran 1 side of the dac (mono amp to both speakers) to assess and test suitability of a previous powercord which worked well enhancing the attributes on the K-01x, now caused a tonally opposing direction in sound when used on the D1x.

This shows that new sonic direction of the D1x retains the familiar, yet vastly different Esoteric house sound.
 
A Grandioso N1T. To be announced at the next Tokyo show. Let's hope so.

You need and want one.

That Alison krauss SACD is pretty fine, if not one of the top few finest recordings, that is why it priced so high and demanded only by crazy audiophiles!

I cannot agree the cd version is better and bought all version of it including the 4 dics audiophile lp, at one stage, bought up 5 copies of this particular SACD before they went out of print.

Wish i had spares left and sold a copy to you ;)

Sonically, it is worth USD189.99, maybe expectations bias at USD300+ is not up to par.
 
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