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Response to CV is not over board. Hospitals are now considering a universal DNA despite family or patient wishes due to lack of protective gear, beds and ventilators. Anyone paying attention to facts knows CV is no comparison to Flu.

No one knows when car accidents, suicides would happen or of course they would try to prevent them. Brian you sound like a Trump parrot so you know why gun violence is not prevented.

We know what actions can be done to slow the spread of CV, it is stupid not to do it and I don't have the words to describe those who would encourage otherwise or not care what happens to others. Maybe some of you should read the accounts of those who have suffers with CV and watched their loved ones die. If a family member is in ICU they have to die alone due to the prevention rules. It sickens me to see CV trivialized.
 
https://youtu.be/WGZXwZli2hI

It really is not another flu. You can’t put a value on human life. Yes, even if it’s 80+ years old. Imagine for a sec someone is telling you (not him, not her, not them, just you) that you should die for the sake of economy.
 
I wasn't trivializing CV, I was putting it into perspective with other things that we all SHOULD be panicked and outraged about and that should cause the same worldly concerns.

It's not just CV patients alone in the hospitals, it is anyone going in. My brother has to have a kidney removed right away, next Friday is his day, and he will be alone too.

I am also following the protocols and staying home and inside but for a walk each day, alone or with my wife. I am working from home also.

Here is an interesting article about the possible origin of the outbreak. Highly believable.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/d...?itm_source=parsely-api&mod=mw_more_headlines
 
I wasn't trivializing CV, I was putting it into perspective with other things that we all SHOULD be panicked and outraged about and that should cause the same worldly concerns.

It's not just CV patients alone in the hospitals, it is anyone going in. My brother has to have a kidney removed right away, next Friday is his day, and he will be alone too.

I am also following the protocols and staying home and inside but for a walk each day, alone or with my wife. I am working from home also.

Here is an interesting article about the possible origin of the outbreak. Highly believable.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/d...?itm_source=parsely-api&mod=mw_more_headlines

Hindsight is 20/20 of course. But one thing that we should be outraged at is the fact that despite years of warnings by experts, our country was not prepared to fight a pandemic. In fact, I just read a couple of days ago that in the past two years, a US group of epidemiologist based in China was cut by 2/3. This group's task was precisely to work on epidemics/pandemics.

The "highly believable" post that you referred to is an Op-Ed from a vocal anti-China guy published in the NY Post...
 
Hindsight is 20/20 of course. But one thing that we should be outraged at is the fact that despite years of warnings by experts, our country was not prepared to fight a pandemic. In fact, I just read a couple of days ago that in the past two years, a US group of epidemiologist based in China was cut by 2/3. This group's task was precisely to work on epidemics/pandemics.

The "highly believable" post that you referred to is an Op-Ed from a vocal anti-China guy published in the NY Post...

Is it even possible to really be prepared for this or any other pandemic/disaster?
Just heard on the radio this morning from a Michigan State Doctor that for Michigan alone to have enough mask, gowns etc supplies in storage for
times like this it would require a warehouse the size of Grand Rapids. (Pop approx 200K)
 
More of bogus/false comparisons -- here is an excerpt from a New York Times article published today. This is data based upon scientific modeling -- not some crazy crank's opinion!

"One gauge of a virus is how contagious it is. The flu has an infectiousness measure (or R0) of only about 1.5, meaning that each sick person infects on average 1.5 others. In contrast, Covid-19 without social distancing appears to have an R0 of perhaps 2.5.
A second gauge of a virus is how often infected people must be hospitalized. With the seasonal flu that’s roughly 1 percent; with the coronavirus, estimates range from 5 percent to 20 percent.
A higher R0 and higher hospitalization rate conspire to wreak havoc. A single person with the flu can result in the infections of 386 other people over two months, and a handful would be hospitalized. But in that same period one Covid-19 patient could lead to the infections of 99,000 people, of whom nearly 20,000 might need to be hospitalized."

If this does not drive home the point about how dangerous this virus is and give you sleepless nights, I don't know what will!
Now tell me how does the risk of getting the flu, driving a car and experiencing a bad side effect of a medication compare to this??


This has been my consideration. In our mobile, gregarious, society, its well nigh impossible to stop these viruses, which is why we have not stopped society, every year, for flu season. The loss of productivity for this work stoppage period, will be a huge hit. Much larger damage that this virus.

People do seem to be reacting individually to the virus though. Obviously the folk with unhealthy issues are at great risk. However, some of the deaths have been to healthy people too.

I use the "risks of driving your car on the freeway" all the time when discussing risk/benefits with people. No one thinks twice about getting in a car, and driving fast on the freeway, surrounded by other maniacs out for a ride. Start a new, well tolerated medicine..., now let me check with Google first.
 
Hindsight is 20/20 of course. But one thing that we should be outraged at is the fact that despite years of warnings by experts, our country was not prepared to fight a pandemic.

What Country was really ready?
What Business had a backlog of cash to hold them for 6 months or a year out of business?
How many people are independently wealthy and didn't just lose 1/3 or more of their retirement money?

We are barely prepared to fight fires let alone a Pandemic. We would have to stop sending all the aid money from taxpayers to other countries in order to be able to afford to be prepared.
 
Very true and well said. I try not to insert my personal politics in any audio related thread but it makes my blood boil when I see the suspected Trump acolytes push their disastrous thinking/agenda, which has no basis in facts or science (both of which are alien commodities to them). If they are so gung-ho about their ability to tackle this virus, maybe they should volunteer to help out a few days at their local ER without adequate personal protection.

Response to CV is not over board. Hospitals are now considering a universal DNA despite family or patient wishes due to lack of protective gear, beds and ventilators. Anyone paying attention to facts knows CV is no comparison to Flu.

No one knows when car accidents, suicides would happen or of course they would try to prevent them. Brian you sound like a Trump parrot so you know why gun violence is not prevented.

We know what actions can be done to slow the spread of CV, it is stupid not to do it and I don't have the words to describe those who would encourage otherwise or not care what happens to others. Maybe some of you should read the accounts of those who have suffers with CV and watched their loved ones die. If a family member is in ICU they have to die alone due to the prevention rules. It sickens me to see CV trivialized.
 
I think that Brian's link to the Marketwatch article above has a very reasonable basis. I'll explain why but before let me just level set my background about what I will post below. I retired only two years ago, but I spent my career working in Biotech as a professional molecular biologist with a background in Microbiology and Molecular Genetics, developing molecular diagnostics and molecular genetics tests. I'm also one of the inventors of PCR, which is the basic technology that underpins all current COVID-19 diagnostic testing.

I'm reading some interesting papers I've found on Net...

One of them, entitled, "SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronavirus pose threat for human emergence" has some disturbing content. The reference for this publication is: Nat. Med. 2015 December; 21(12): 1508–1513.

This is as group of scientists working at Univ. of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. UNC Chapel Hill is a known and documented site for bioweapons research.

The abstract of the paper begins...

"In this study, we examine the disease potential for SARS-like CoVs currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations."

This is where it starts to get strange:

"Utilizing the SARS-CoV infectious clone, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse adapted SARS-CoV backbone."

Now...here's where it gets scary:

"The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild type backbone can efficiently utilize multiple ACE2 receptor orthologs, replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells, and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV."

So, gang...here's what I find alarming...these guys purposely engineered this virus.

The original SARS-like Coronavirus that can only infect bats cannot infect humans because a protein domain on the viral spike protein cannot bind to the ACE receptor on human airway epithelial cells.

Well...these guys at UNC Chapel Hill engineered one with a Coronavirus spike protein that CAN bind to human airway epithelial cells.

Now here's the kicker:

"Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from CoVs utilizing the novel spike protein."

In other words, our previous SARS based therapies based on monoclonal antibodies and vaccines developed for original SARS coronavirus failed to protect this new, genetically-engineered, I might add, coronavirus from using the "novel" spike protein. In other words, what we developed as therapies for SARS..don't work.

If that doesn't sound like bioweapons development, I don't know what does..

Now...for the kicker of all kickers: One of the scientists on this publication, a certain Zhengli Shi, woh was working as a post-doc at UNC Chapel Hill. Guess where he actually works? At the "Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China

The laboratory that the Marketwatch article references above is the SAME laboratory that Zhengli Shi works at.

Think about that...😱
 
Some more information about the scientific paper above:

Well, here is another piece of information that adds to my concerns about the origin of this virus; this is section of the paper referenced above:

"These studies were initiated prior to the U.S. Government Deliberative Process Research Funding Pause on Selected Gain of Function Research Involving Influenza, MERS, and SARS Viruses."

What does Gain of Function Research on Influenza, MERS and SARS Viruses mean? It means making these virues more contagious, more pathogenic with a higher lethality index.

This is code for Bioweapons engineering, gang. Just as "Enhanced Interrogation" is code.
 
Now...for the kicker of all kickers: One of the scientists on this publication, a certain Zhengli Shi, woh was working as a post-doc at UNC Chapel Hill. Guess where he actually works? At the "Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China

The laboratory that the Marketwatch article references above is the SAME laboratory that Zhengli Shi works at.

Think about that...

the NY times reported this back in January:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/opinion/coronavirus-china.html
 
On a financial note, when would be a good time to withdrawal most of ones savings from the bank (e.g. put under the mattress"), totally serious.

If the economic stress eventually takes a toll on banks and they decide to halt/suspend certain transactions, well you get the picture
 
Is it even possible to really be prepared for this or any other pandemic/disaster?
Just heard on the radio this morning from a Michigan State Doctor that for Michigan alone to have enough mask, gowns etc supplies in storage for
times like this it would require a warehouse the size of Grand Rapids. (Pop approx 200K)

Of course it is. You start by developing a plan in advance. The USA has been rehearsing for wars (including nuclear) for decades. They call them military exercises or war games.
 
I put my 401k in a stable plan some time ago. Yesterday, I put a chunk back into my preferred market stock. Everyone has to figure the future out based on their gut IMO.
 
So, this is what it's like if you want some cookies from Costco today.

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I put my 401k in a stable plan some time ago. Yesterday, I put a chunk back into my preferred market stock. Everyone has to figure the future out based on their gut IMO.

Not touching my 401, but just talking liquid, cash. Hard to say at this point how the heck this will turn out, but man the thought of "that" scenario - that's all she wrote and would be utter chaos. I honestly don't want to think of that scenario playing out. But.....
 
Not touching my 401, but just talking liquid, cash. Hard to say at this point how the heck this will turn out, but man the thought of "that" scenario - that's all she wrote and would be utter chaos. I honestly don't want to think of that scenario playing out. But.....

I'm no expert on finances to say the least. But, I don't see a need of hording cash. Banks are insured by the government. I'm more interested in where I am after this mess passes. We will get through this. And the old saying of buy low and sell high still applies.
 
I actually bought more than just cookies of course. And it reaches a point where your committed to the goal. I don’t think I’ll need to take part in the senior early morning cart race event again. :blush:
 
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