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Myles B. Astor
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“What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly - that is the first law of nature.”
― Voltaire
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Here we go...
It's just a matter of time until the digit heads jump in and claim that RBCD has better specs than analog and therefore it must sound better even though they have never heard tape in their system outside of a 4 track tape 30 year ago.
Well, I'm thinkin' Sunday is going to be tape day. Four Opus 3 samplers arrived on RMG SM468 Studio Master tape this week. All dubbed from their master tape catalogues at 15IPS, IEC EQ.
Could give me reason to slot in a NOS A820 transfoless card into the Studer and compare the output....
I'm guessing it's gonna sound pretty frickin' awesome....
Could give me reason to slot in a NOS A820 transfoless card into the Studer and compare the output....
I'm guessing it's gonna sound pretty frickin' awesome....
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diversity? come to So Cal where the Oaxacan taco stand serving up barbacoa (goat meat) is in the same strip mall with a Laotian restaurant serving up everything that swims smothered in fermented fish sauce (its actauly pretty good) and around the corner are burritos stuffed with kimchi and bulgogi.:disbelief:
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I'm guessing you're right.
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The Opus 3 tapes got better and better with each release. Three is amazing and four is awesome. Others should get the D/l DSD. Haven't compared them but imagine DSD will give the LP a run for the money.
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Tape, the other format
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I think older people rightfully bashed CD when it came out - it was hugely problematic. But digital has gotten better. Vinyl versus CD is pointless since there is plenty of music on both not available on the other - AND - any given CD or LP will sound better than the other.
SS and tubes is a bit different. If you want to talk about science - then according to most of the blind tests people can tell the difference between tube amps versus other tube amps and tube amps versus SS amps. Therefore when you spend money on tube amps you are getting something that has differentiated audible traits. When you buy a $55,000 D'Agostino - it is unlikely you will hear it sound different than a $2k Rotel power amps. Something that sounds different has a chance to sound perceptually superior. Something that doesn't sound different relies on perception biases to sound better (Ie; it costs more or looks cool or is made by a famous name). This is a devil's advocate response to SS not necessarily my views.
I like some SS amps quite a bit but I prefer the sound of SET amplifiers on the whole (over PP tubes and SS). Generally, not absolutely. I actually hate tube amps from an ownership perspective - higher electrical costs, heat, tubes are a pain (especially if you have to bias) costly to replace. The redeeming quality is that different ones have a take on musical reproduction. Usually tube owners are attacked for buying inaccurate amplifiers and will be shown graphs - oddly your argument I actually find to be the exact opposite that SS and digital proponents bash tube vinyl guys. They will almost always cite graphs and Stereophile plots of measurements. As if reading the plot will somehow change the way you hear the amplifiers, speakers etc.
Richard.... I nominate you for the bash king crown for your bold statement that it is unlikely that we would hear a D'Agostino amplifier sound different to a Rotel amplifier. I think in some applications/implementations, you would be right. Even so, prepare for the D'Ag Owner's Brigade to return fire! :shooting:
I could think of another word or to, but why bother as the statement itself was ludicrous enough
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Hi Steve - what's a good thread without a spiral down the "all SS amps sound the same rabbit hole" - note I did say "This is a devil's advocate response to SS not necessarily my views."
A bit of hyperbole to make the point though. I am not a DBT supporter due to several issues with them but vast differences can be distinguished - the differences are not vast enough to be distinguished in the test then for me personally it's not worth spending the extra $52,000. For SS amps if it were me I would want to buy amplifiers with big time power transformers and power supplies that could drive most if not every known to man loudspeaker while also sounding SET like. I've never heard a Krell that I liked and only auditioning the D'Agostino once with speakers that were not my cup of tea isn't exactly fair. I'm not a huge SS fan to start with and I am less a fan of them when they are expensive. Not slagging it - different strokes - obviously the high power SS guys are probably not going to love the sound of 8 watt SETs.
All solid state amps sound the same? Huh? I love SET amps too, but I've owned more solid state amps than I can remember and they all sounded different.
FWIW - in the big amp blind shootout I conducted earlier this year, the McIntosh 601's were picked first and everyone swore they were the tube amps. The group thought the tube amps were the D'Agostino amps.
And my Pass XS150's sound more "SET" then my SET amps!
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FWIW - in the big amp blind shootout I conducted earlier this year, the McIntosh 601's were picked first and everyone swore they were the tube amps. The group thought the tube amps were the D'Agostino amps.
And my Pass XS150's sound more "SET" then my SET amps!
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