Ascending to even greater heights

My interpretation is that Everest = $4000. If enough people wish it, that’s what Caelin will price it at. So I heard.

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kzhtoo said:
My interpretation is that Everest = $4000. If enough people wish it, that’s what Caelin will price it at. So I heard.
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Well, the discussion is purely based on the hints that Caelin himself choose to provide to us.

It isn’t based on any personal wish.

If the initially posted image means something, and we are told it does, there is logic in thinking that it may be 1.5x5,000=7,500 while I don’t see any logic supporting the 4,000 US$ guess.

As a result it seems that there is a higher probability that it could be 7,500 rather than 4.000.

Although some high level officials have given up on logic, it still governs 99.999% of the world.

Besides, I assume that you share my feeling thaf cheaper is better?

Or you are extremely wealthy and competitive and hope that it’s going to cost 100,000 US$ so that only you can benefit from the exquisite sound it’s going to deliver?

Cheers,
Bernard
 
bernardl said:
Well, the discussion is purely based on the hints that Caelin himself choose to provide to us.

It isn’t based on any personal wish.

If the initially posted image means something, and we are told it does, there is logic in thinking that it may be 1.5x5,000=7,500 while I don’t see any logic supporting the 4,000 US$ guess.

As a result it seems that there is a higher probability that it could be 7,500 rather than 4.000.

Although some high level officials have given up on logic, it still governs 99.999% of the world.

Besides, I assume that you share my feeling thaf cheaper is better?

Or you are extremely wealthy and competitive and hope that it’s going to cost 100,000 US$ so that only you can benefit from the exquisite sound it’s going to deliver?

Cheers,
Bernard
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I think you missed the humor of kzhtoo's post.

I'm betting and hoping it is under 10K US MSP and my personal guess is $9K-9500 USD so, less than an AQ Niagara 7000 US retail.

If they price it at or undercut the Niagara 7000 (Their main competitor) as one member suggested, that would be ideal.

The Omega QR power cable priced aggressively 9K USD in a 2M compared to the AQ Dragon HC at $9800 for 2M.

Maybe not relevant but, flagship to flagship product competitor to competitor.
 
Whether we calculate the price based on the height differences of the mountains, or based on the price of any importer I have had access to, I can only say that the US customers are going to be very lucky.
 
mdp632 said:
I think you missed the humor of kzhtoo's post.

I'm betting and hoping it is under 10K US MSP and my personal guess is $9K-9500 USD so, less than an AQ Niagara 7000 US retail.

If they price it at or undercut the Niagara 7000 (Their main competitor) as one member suggested, that would be ideal.

The Omega QR power cable priced aggressively 9K USD in a 2M compared to the AQ Dragon HC at $9800 for 2M.

Maybe not relevant but, flagship to flagship product competitor to competitor.
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It looks like the humor in mine isn’t coming accross... :-)

But I wrote that with a big smile I can assure you.

We’ll see what the price ends up being.

One thing is sure, Caelin’s teasing is working wonders.

Cheers,
Bernard
 
CGabriel said:
But seriously, we have something coming that will make Denali 6000/S owners happy.
Don’t ask because I can’t say at the moment.
Patience and enjoy the music my friend.
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Hi Caelin,

I recently preordered an Everest. I am presently running a Denali 6000 V2 preconditioned with a Typhon QR which to my ears and in my system sounds better than the Denali sans Typhon. Now that I see what you’ve written, “we have something coming that will make Denali 6000/S owners happy,” should I rethink my purchase of the Everest as I am concerned about making a lateral move from my Denali v2/Typhon QR combination; especially since you don’t give any details what is coming for Denali 6000 v2 owners. Thanks.
 
RLF said:
Hi Caelin,

I recently preordered an Everest. I am presently running a Denali 6000 V2 preconditioned with a Typhon QR which to my ears and in my system sounds better than the Denali sans Typhon. Now that I see what you’ve written, “we have something coming that will make Denali 6000/S owners happy,” should I rethink my purchase of the Everest as I am concerned about making a lateral move from my Denali v2/Typhon QR combination; especially since you don’t give any details what is coming for Denali 6000 v2 owners. Thanks.
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If you want the best and can afford it, then get the Everest.
I would keep the TQR and try it with the Everest and see if it is worth keeping.

Also the TQR can be used a standalone device for the amplifier. Many people are using the Typhon as a performance supercharger for their amplifiers.
 
CGabriel said:
If you want the best and can afford it, then get the Everest.
I would keep the TQR and try it with the Everest and see if it is worth keeping.

Also the TQR can be used a standalone device for the amplifier. Many people are using the Typhon as a performance supercharger for their amplifiers.
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Thanks, your input is most appreciated.

It should prove to be an interesting comparison. I would try the TQR with my Ayre MX-R 20 mono-blocks on their own dedicated AC lines, but unfortunately I only have one.

Maybe I will audition the Omega NR power cords with my mono-block amps since they are on their own dedicated AC line. I might also try to add them to the Everest along with my other gear on one dedicated AC line. Do you think that would be appropriate as I’m concerned that adding the amps to one AC line with my other gear might hinder dynamics?
 
RLF said:
Thanks, your input is most appreciated.

It should prove to be an interesting comparison. I would try the TQR with my Ayre MX-R 20 mono-blocks on their own dedicated AC lines, but unfortunately I only have one.

Maybe I will audition the Omega NR power cords with my mono-block amps since they are on their own dedicated AC line. I might also try to add them to the Everest along with my other gear on one dedicated AC line. Do you think that would be appropriate as I’m concerned that adding the amps to one AC line with my other gear might hinder dynamics?
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You can think about multiple dedicated lines as potential horsepower.
Think of one dedicated line as a 200hp 4 cylinder engine.
Then, two dedicated would be equivalent to an 8 cylinder 400hp engine.

The 4 cylinder can haul your sports car, source equipment around just fine. But add a heavy trailer (big assed amplifiers) and that 4 cyl will be dogging it.

If you want to pull a trailer with heavy loads - get an 8 cyl.

In the power conditioner world, horsepower is equivalent to continuous current capacity and DTCD (dynamic transient current delivery).

FYI noise reduction capabilities have zero effect on current capacity and DTCD. So having a good power conditioner is not a substitute for total current capacity.
 
CGabriel said:
You can think about multiple dedicated lines as potential horsepower.
Think of one dedicated line as a 200hp 4 cylinder engine.
Then, two dedicated would be equivalent to an 8 cylinder 400hp engine.

The 4 cylinder can haul your sports car, source equipment around just fine. But add a heavy trailer (big assed amplifiers) and that 4 cyl will be dogging it.

If you want to pull a trailer with heavy loads - get an 8 cyl.

In the power conditioner world, horsepower is equivalent to continuous current capacity and DTCD (dynamic transient current delivery).

FYI noise reduction capabilities have zero effect on current capacity and DTCD. So having a good power conditioner is not a substitute for total current capacity.
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Thanks Caelin. That’s pretty much what I thought and what others have also said or implied, but I wanted to get your take on it with regards to Shunyata power distributors. BTW, your analogies are are great in helping to explain it.
 
CGabriel said:
In the power conditioner world, horsepower is equivalent to continuous current capacity and DTCD (dynamic transient current delivery).

FYI noise reduction capabilities have zero effect on current capacity and DTCD. So having a good power conditioner is not a substitute for total current capacity.
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That being said, commodity power cords can actually decrease DTCD by as much as 50%.

Many power conditioners may significantly reduce DTCD and continuous current capacity especially those that contain transformers, coils, toroids, ferrite beads, thermal breakers, small gauge conductors and poor quality connectors.

This is the fundamental and cardinal rule for power distributor design: “Do not limited or impede continuous current and DTCD.” And that is before we even begin to talk about noise reduction approaches and technologies.
 
CGabriel said:
That being said, commodity power cords can actually decrease DTCD by as much as 50%.

Many power conditioners may significantly reduce DTCD and continuous current capacity especially those that contain transformers, coils, toroids, ferrite beads, thermal breakers, small gauge conductors and poor quality connectors.

This is the fundamental and cardinal rule for power distributor design: “Do not limited or impede continuous current and DTCD.” And that is before we even begin to talk about noise reduction approaches and technologies.
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From my experience I agree 100%, power is force!


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CGabriel said:
When funds allow, put a new Delta XC or Alpha XC on the Denali.
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Caelin,
As you raised the importance of DTCD, could you please advice if QR/BB can help to “increase” DTCD?
I mean as long as we have “QR/BB equipped distributor” (in Denali etc.) before the audio equipment, will it help to improve DTCD of current delivered by cable from wall outlet to “ QR/BB equipped distributor” ?
 
CGabriel said:
Many power conditioners may significantly reduce DTCD and continuous current capacity especially those that contain transformers, coils, toroids, ferrite beads, thermal breakers, small gauge conductors and poor quality connectors.

This is the fundamental and cardinal rule for power distributor design: “Do not limited or impede continuous current and DTCD.” And that is before we even begin to talk about noise reduction approaches and technologies.
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Over the yearss I have auditioned and owned many many power conditioners of all kinds and types including “power regenerators.” While many have helped in one way or another; all have had sonic or video downsides including limiting dynamics or worse things. The worst offenders which I have owned were those which used transformers.

IMHO, power is most important and at the beginning of the chain; whether it be audio or video. As one reviewer stated many years ago when he reviewed a power conditioner, “You can’t make good lemonade without good water.

Do no harm and IMO, Shunyata gets it right and just keeps getting better and better.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Gondo101 said:
Caelin,
As you raised the importance of DTCD, could you please advice if QR/BB can help to “increase” DTCD?
I mean as long as we have “QR/BB equipped distributor” (in Denali etc.) before the audio equipment, will it help to improve DTCD of current delivered by cable from wall outlet to “ QR/BB equipped distributor” ?
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To answer that in a scientifically accurate manner is beyond the scope of this forum. If you are truly interested, I would suggest that you read the patent.

US Patent: 10,031,536

The non-technical answer is that it would not increase the current capacity of your power line. If it is a dedicated line that has a capacity of 15A it will still deliver 15A. But the QR/BB does improve instantaneous electrical charge response. The benefit being that your audio equipment will "breathe" easier and deliver better audio perception of what we as audiophiles call "dynamics".
 
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