Are they going to destroy audio?

Projectman said:
@MichaelsMinute - What you have explained makes perfect sense to you I’m sure. Now please go explain yourself on another forum.
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Hi ProjectMan - let me break it down into smaller sentences for you. Sort of like cliff notes version. Maybe this will help:

- I saw a post over on another forum that echoed a concern I've had for awhile based on what we see happening around us.
- On that forum there were some people pushing class D amps with unsubstantiated claims that their "carbon footprint" is smaller than that of other amps;
- They say we need to get rid of the other types of amps other than Class D;
- I don't care about the imaginary carbon footprint - only how it sounds;
- I also see people in general posting about concern for how much energy Class A amps waste and therefore should be outlawed.
- What are your thoughts? Are these arbitrary moves going to destroy audio?
- Example: CA just comically outlawed the purchase of any new gas powered outdoor equipment and gas powered cars; France is outlawing ANY gas vehicle from even DRIVING in Paris.

Hope that helps you Projectman!
 
You are clear like mud. You said a lot more before you selectively chose your quotes above.

Are they going to destroy audio? Hopefully they will destroy audiophiles that profess too much with opinions and rhetoric.
 
Projectman said:
You are clear like mud. You said a lot more before you selectively chose your quotes above.

Are they going to destroy audio? Hopefully they will destroy audiophiles that profess too much with opinions and rhetoric.
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Oh, so you DID understand my original post? Sorry, trying to make it easier for you and not overwhelm. Your last sentence says so much more than even you know it does :)
 
The marketplace will determine the future of audio. I have always had an upper weight limit to my electronic equipment. Recently I have been regretting not setting that limit lower. Many graybeard audiophiles have already or will someday set weight limits.

Younger audiophiles are not necessarily enamored of the older names in the industry. Especially since many of the founders have moved on or passed on. Younger audiophiles will be more ready to embrace technology changes in the industry.

Steve Job's quote "If anybody's going to make our products obsolete, I want it to be us." For music source innovation we had the iPod>iPhone/iPad. Now streaming is common place with mega-buck music servers.

Technology is a speeding train. You don't have to jump on board but standing on the tracks with your hand up shouting "STOP!" is suicide for a company and stubborn to a fault for an individual. This from someone who purchased their first smart phone in May.:derf:
 
Dizzie said:
The marketplace will determine the future of audio. I have always had an upper weight limit to my electronic equipment. Recently I have been regretting not setting that limit lower. Many graybeard audiophiles have already or will someday set weight limits.

Younger audiophiles are not necessarily enamored of the older names in the industry. Especially since many of the founders have moved on or passed on. Younger audiophiles will be more ready to embrace technology changes in the industry.

Steve Job's quote "If anybody's going to make our products obsolete, I want it to be us." For music source innovation we had the iPod>iPhone/iPad. Now streaming is common place with mega-buck music servers.

Technology is a speeding train. You don't have to jump on board but standing on the tracks with your hand up shouting "STOP!" is suicide for a company and stubborn to a fault for an individual. This from someone who purchased their first smart phone in May.:derf:
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Thank you for your post. All great points.

Did you go Apple or Google on the smartphone?

ETA: To your point about established brands - I do think those with strong social media presence are attracting the newer customers into the hobby.
 
MichaelsMinute said:
LOL. A personal bitter rant. LOL. I prefer tubes and class a/b over Class A, but I understand you enjoy stirring the pot just like you did on that other forum with them there. :)

I posted above about him. You are welcome to reach out to him if you don't believe me. But I bet you won't.

BTW, I am enjoying how much you two either won't/can't read the posts or have and refuse to acknowledge him. Funny since he responded to you and you ignored him.

ETA: You can keep trying with the personal attacks as that is only a reflection on you and not me. I really don't care and it surely doesn't make your intentional diverting any less entertaining.
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No, I have no problem whatsoever with your liking of Class A and tubes, though it seems you've not given Class D an fair opportunity to win you over, but I feel it's up to you to substantiate the claims you've made.

No intention to be personal or offensive, but it would be nice to see independent or authoritative confirmation of your claims. You seem somewhat reluctant.

Perhaps I should be pleased that you find my "intentional diversions" entertaining, though neither diversion nor entertainment was actually intended.

Incidentally, I think you may be confusing me with someone else as, if you are referring to ASR as "the other forum", this is a platform I very rarely look at and even more rarely have ever contributed to - and never recently. I find the conversation there generally unfathomable, so I don’t visit!
 
Thanks for that last comment. You understand me completely. I’m an audio enthusiast, not an audiophile. I don’t argue the merits of of audio brands or technologies. I occasionally call people out when they make statements that are full of opinion and nonsense.
 
Hear Here said:
No, I have no problem whatsoever with your liking of Class A and tubes, though it seems you've not given Class D an fair opportunity to win you over, but I feel it's up to you to substantiate the claims you've made.

No intention to be personal or offensive, but it would be nice to see independent or authoritative confirmation of your claims. You seem somewhat reluctant.
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1) Please tell me exactly what I have and have not done in terms of trying class D to lead you to that conclusion ( I know you have openly stated you want Class A abolished as it is anti-social);

2) I have clearly stated multiple times in this thread my source and his name and you know how to contact him very easily and you have still yet to reach out to him even though he has responded to you and you've ignored him. Who is the reluctant one?
 
MichaelsMinute said:
1) Please tell me exactly what I have and have not done in terms of trying class D to lead you to that conclusion ( I know you have openly stated you want Class A abolished as it is anti-social);

2) I have clearly stated multiple times in this thread my source and his name and you know how to contact him very easily and you have still yet to reach out to him even though he has responded to you and you've ignored him. Who is the reluctant one?
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Ha-ha!

1) I have never suggested that Class A should be banned, only offered an opinion that it is inexcusably inefficient. I think you must agree with me on that point.

2) If you are talking about who I think you are talking about, I think his most recent contribution here clarifies matters pretty unambiguously. As I understand it, Luxman has never suggested it has withdrawn any model for environmental reasons. The reason quoted is that one particular limited edition model is sold out - as all successful limited editions should. Seems pretty clear to me but perhaps my interpretation of that posting may differ from yours.

Tell you what – let’s agree to differ and end this friendly but absurd banter. It must make one or maybe both of us appear totally misguided! No need to reply :hey:
 
Hear Here said:
Ha-ha!

1) I have never suggested that Class A should be banned, only offered an opinion that it is inexcusably inefficient. I think you must agree with me on that point.

2) If you are talking about who I think you are talking about, I think his most recent contribution here clarifies matters pretty unambiguously. As I understand it, Luxman has never suggested it has withdrawn any model for environmental reasons. The reason quoted is that one particular limited edition model is sold out - as all successful limited editions should. Seems pretty clear to me but perhaps my interpretation of that posting may differ from yours.

Tell you what – let’s agree to differ and end this friendly but absurd banter. It must make one or maybe both of us appear totally misguided! No need to reply :hey:
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So you still refuse to ask him? That's your choice but makes you look bad after saying I was wrong now doesn't it?

No need to 'guess' as I have openly stated it at least twice and the fact he didn't say I was wrong says it all. Either reach out to him and own your mistake or just let it go and we will all know that you were wrong anyway and now you're trying to save face.

I respect if you have a different opinion and you could have simply said and we would have had an adult conversation. But instead you chose to act just like on the other board with personal attacks, insults, and purposely derailing a thread due to your extreme environmental beliefs and now you want to just agree to disagree. Maybe try the adult approach first next time. That's why I asked for people OPINIONS on my original post - to have an open adult conversation. But you just couldn't allow that and had to take the extremist positions you did.

I have nothing against you and look forward to positive exchanges in the future. Just skip the "anti-social" behavior (as you put it) next time. I know the moderators on the other forum suggested people ignore you, but I look forward to friendly discussions in the future. Hopefully you are capable of that.

ETA: Some of us tried to end the poor behavior and apologized for it back on page 2. You choose not to and instead chose to continue with your behavior. That's on you.
 
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- Example: CA just comically outlawed the purchase of any new gas powered outdoor equipment and gas powered cars; France is outlawing ANY gas vehicle from even DRIVING in Paris.
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I'm not sure how this has ANY relevance on whether Class A audio amplification will go the way of the dodo. Until there's a law passed that explicitly bans Class A audio amplication from being produced, we all will continue to enjoy the CHOICES we have for great audio gear today.
 
grubble said:
I'm not sure how this has ANY relevance on whether Class A audio amplification will go the way of the dodo. Until there's a law passed that explicitly bans Class A audio amplication from being produced, we all will continue to enjoy the CHOICES we have for great audio gear today.
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Then clearly you missed the entire point of my opening post. And if you are waiting for a law that explicitly bans Class A vs how the green laws have been written regarding electronics up till now (look at dish washers as an example), then you don't know how the EPA and other political bodies work to achieve an agenda.
 
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