Are they going to destroy audio?

Mr Peabody said:
Myles or Phil, maybe you could suggest brands of Class D you feel can compete with A/B. The closest I've heard was the current Bel Canto E1X, unfortunately the next step up wasn't available and the E1X didn't convince me to take a chance on the purchase without hearing one. I've also had Merrill Audio Veritas in my system, good amps but just didn't do it for me.

I'd love to hear the Class D amp that satisfies me but that hasn't happened yet. Those who claim Class D sounds better clearly listen to a different aspect of music than me. Something about Class D leaves it less convincing than A/B or A. I mean your system has to be engaging to you the listener, I've declined amps with better certain attributes but wasn't as engaging to me as what I was using. So Class D can be extremely transparent but lack it that something that engages me, it's still no good, transparency is just one of many aspects. Really, when it comes donw to it no matter the class of amp being compared the one you like most comes down to the one with less compromises.

I really don't think anyone will have audio gear on their radar for let's go green. Less of a concern than jet exhaust or cow farts. I'm no expert but I'd also bet there's items in your home that still use more electric than your power amp, using a realistic comparison.
Click to expand...

Excellent question. I’m still waiting for the response to my identical question from the OP.

The only way we can have a meaningful discussion is to have heard the same amps. As you have done in your post. Otherwise it’s just background static.
 
Myles B. Astor said:
Excellent question. I’m still waiting for the response to my identical question from the OP.

The only way we can have a meaningful discussion is to have heard the same amps. As you have done in your post. Otherwise it’s just background static.
Click to expand...

You need to move on.

I'm not playing the game of listing what Class D amps I've heard as it's got no bearing on this thread, and especially now that the rest of us have laid post to rest and moved forward.

Queuing up snarky response from Mark/MEP whom I have blocked so it doesn't matter in 3...2...1...
 
Alkyogre said:
I am very happy with my class D monoblocks. If everybody is saying that they sound awesome, then they are awesome.
Click to expand...

That is great you have amps you love. That is the best part of this hobby - finding a component that you really love!
 
I want to hear the Class D that can replace the Octave, :) Good sounding gear

Mordante said:
Please keep your personal conspiracy theories out of this forum.

Edit:

1) leaf blowers really. I tough these things only existed in memes where white middle aged men shout angerly at clouts

2) Change must sometimes be forced,. Humans are stubborn creatures who romanticize a past that never was (the happy nuclear family). So if class A gets banned there will be some tears, 5 years later no one will care.

3) I'm using Octave tube power amps right now, I am sort of planning to probably sell these in the next 5 year and will buy class D.

4) EU is most likely banning sales of new ICE engines form 2035
Click to expand...
 
... and digital CDs were never going to be accepted, until they were.
How many of us have ditched analog altogether? My tube/phono neighbor just went all streamer- I never believed that would happen.
How many people run class A amps now? .00001% of the US population?
As to the hybrid car owner, I've read that it is no better environmentally than all gas.
All electrics, as a whole, aren't much better now, but they perhaps will be in time.
Times change slowly, but they do change, and we dinosaurs of the rarefied audiophile world will too.
"I have never, ever, ever in 8 years had a customer ask for a Class D amp. Ever."
Mike, what percent of home audio do your products collectively represent by units? 1%?
Read AVS and other mainstream sights and see what they buy. It isn't Class A amps.
When Denon AVRs go Class D, it will have arrived mainstream.
 
MichaelsMinute said:
Still stuck on the idea of two prisms?

I notice you are making many of the same arguments you did on the other forum where people shut you down pretty hard. And you loved calling anyone who disagreed with you daft over there as well.

I like where you said this: " Class A and valve amps are endangered species in the same way petrol and diesel cars are. They'll continue for several years but it'll be increasingly seen as anti-social to use them and models will gradually disappear as electric cars (and Class D amps) continue to improve."

Anti-social to use?

It's pretty interesting your argument over there seems to be it doesn't matter what people want and like, they need to accept what YOU want them to accept. How very anti-social.
Click to expand...

I really wish you would stop the ad honimem attacks; it is tiring for the rest of us and puts you in a bad light.
Instead, make a point that is rational and cogent in response. "Shooting the messenger" is a Logical Fallacy.
Worse, it is in bad form as a human being.
 
Smile said:
I really wish you would stop the ad honimem attacks; it is tiring for the rest of us and puts you in a bad light.
Instead, make a point that is rational and cogent in response. "Shooting the messenger" is a Logical Fallacy.
Worse, it is in bad form as a human being.
Click to expand...

LOL. What ever.

By the way, Happy Thanksgiving!
 
Smile said:
I really wish you would stop the ad honimem attacks; it is tiring for the rest of us and puts you in a bad light.
Instead, make a point that is rational and cogent in response. "Shooting the messenger" is a Logical Fallacy.
Worse, it is in bad form as a human being.
Click to expand...

Agree with your summation 100%.
 
Smile said:
"I have never, ever, ever in 8 years had a customer ask for a Class D amp. Ever."

Times change slowly, but they do change, and we dinosaurs of the rarefied audiophile world will too.
Click to expand...

Maybe no one has actually asked Mike for a Class D anp, but he's already admitted that he does offer these amps. Perhaps he suggests that some of his progressicve customers take a listen to these amps and hopefully some may have parted with their cash and actually bought Class D from him. Well, I hope so, as I suspect ever more audiophiles will realise the benefits of Class D, both in performamce terms and in Environmental impact and their fuel bills. I'm sure that Mike knows that ignoring this market would be like ignoring the arrival of CD players when everyone still thought they were the work of the Devil.

Times change - dinosaurs die out - let's not be dinosaurs!
 
W9TR said:
If there are any A/V equipment energy directives in the works, they'll probably come from the EU.
The EU eco design directive is already impacting consumer product development.

The EU has published energy requirements for set top boxes, home networking equipment, external power supplies, and televisions, among others. There is some concern that these regulations for TV's will limit the sale of 8K and some 4K sets in EU.

We have for many years had rules on standby and off power consumption for audio and AV gear among many other consumer appliances.

This has driven design changes in a lot of audio equipment. One example is non-use power off timers, which are now required in most if not all amplifier products sold in the EU.

None of the external linear power supplies popular with audiophiles meet the EU requirements today. Not one. Yet they are openly sold. More on this later. **

It would be easy for regulators to set power consumption limits on AV and audio amplifiers and receivers.
These power limits could be written in such a way as to eliminate the sale of all Class A and AB amplifiers using standard linear power supplies. At their tightest, they may allow only Class D amps driven by switchmode power supplies. This would be easy to do as the efficiencies of all these amplifiers are well known in the art.

This, in turn, would cause audiophile heads to spontaneously explode globally, reducing the market for linear class A amplifiers to zero. Problem solved. :)

** In order to get the attention of regulators, the market has to be big enough to make a dent in consumption. High end audio is a tiny market.
Click to expand...

Just jumping in here a bit late to the party

This is all very interesting but as it relates to audio any regulations would prove only useful for new gear. Even then I wouldn’t put it past marketers/manufactures/dealers to find a way to creatively claim the product is “used”
There would be literally no way to enforce something on people who already have ownership and they certainly won’t ban you from selling something you legally purchased prior…. All very muddy water indeed

As for the original discussion, I read it on the original forum and it brought up the same consternation it brings up here. I’m sorta flummoxed as to why anyone gives any excrement on this.
If you like class D … buy it, if you like class A , well , buy it.
I have 200 watt class A amps in my main system and I have a killer Class D system in my office… I guess , so what?

What I can tell/say is that I have (fortunately) many other first world legal to purchase amenities that burn up way more electricity than my amps do. I don’t see any government making these regulated any time soon .
Electricity is ostensibly a user pay tax, use it and pay , don’t use it don’t pay. How anyone can tell me I don’t value the environment because of my amps is kinda crazy.

And, as a wee bit of a side note. I may not have all my facts straight in this but California wants to have all electric cars as a future rule of governance but my reading suggests that they simply do not have enough electricity capacity now or in the foreseeable future for everyone’s car to be on the grid .

And, please for the love of god nobody should suggest that the current iteration of electric vehicles don’t have an equally horrible overal carbon foot print.
 
Hear Here said:
Maybe no one has actually asked Mike for a Class D anp, but he's already admitted that he does offer these amps. Perhaps he suggests that some of his progressicve customers take a listen to these amps and hopefully some may have parted with their cash and actually bought Class D from him. Well, I hope so, as I suspect ever more audiophiles will realise the benefits of Class D, both in performamce terms and in Environmental impact and their fuel bills. I'm sure that Mike knows that ignoring this market would be like ignoring the arrival of CD players when everyone still thought they were the work of the Devil.

Times change - dinosaurs die out - let's not be dinosaurs!
Click to expand...

We show them Class D, and they aren’t interested. Class D isn’t new. The second coming of class D has been predicted for years. It just hasn’t caught on other than among the DIY crowd looking for a small amp for cheap.

Look at Rowland. Jeff sang the praises of Class D for years. He’s finally gone back to Class AB.

Not knocking it as I think the Rose and similar AGD amps sound great. Just the realities of the market I’m afraid.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
 
ADCO said:
There would be literally no way to enforce something on people who already have ownership and they certainly won’t ban you from selling something you legally purchased prior…. All very muddy water indeed
Click to expand...

Canada just did this with Guns. You can't buy New and you can't buy Used and you can't sell your own used. It won't stop there or with that one item.
 
Shadowfax said:
You clearly missed the point.
Click to expand...
It sure doesn't look that way.

If you want to have paranoia about how restrictions on devices that most people see as meant to kill somehow means restrictions will come for devices meant to entertain, that's on you.

To be clear there's no slippery slope on this one, except that of paranoia, which causes the person with it to go further and further down the paranoia slope.

Its not a matter of the rest of us needing to 'wake up' or some such nonsense. It really is a matter of those with paranoia being unable to distinguish between two things that are different- like the need to have safety devices meant to stop fires at gas stations as opposed to how much coffee you put in your coffee maker in the morning.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top