We’ve rebuilt the Roon library several times. I think our next step is a more powerful computer. An i9 or something.
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We’ve rebuilt the Roon library several times. I think our next step is a more powerful computer. An i9 or something.
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up until your post i never really thought of roon as a software + hardware package company as their main focus is clearly software ...but i guess they kind of are.
NekoAudio
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+1 to this thread of investigation.
It doesn't look like Core is crashing, since music was still playing and the Roon Client was still connected to something. Database corruption or local I/O (hard disk or network) problems are one possibility, and remote network problems is another (default network timeouts are often ~2 minutes which means you could see a spinner for 2 minutes if the developer doesn't do something special). There could also be a bug in something that other people aren't hitting for whatever reason, e.g. collation for presentation when using multiple local and/or streaming sources.
But a debug log would hopefully help Roon diagnose the problem.
The exact same thing happens to me at home with Roon. Different network. Different everything. Single source for streaming.
Randy Myers
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Mike, have you tried having your active library consisting of only locally installed music files/folders? Just curious. The first thing that has to be done is to actually determine exact what is causing the problem... computer power (very unlikely), corrupt hard drive, corrupt or out of date OS, drivers, network, cables, etc.
As I have stated, I only run local files and really have never experienced any issues. My old computer never experienced any issues either until the CPU crapped out. this is why I say I doubt it is not having a powerful enough computer.
Have you tried a Windows PC? I have seen more people having issues with Macs and I also know for sure (because my buddy experienced it and resolved it). It is absolutely essential to update to a certain level of the Mac OS. This resolved my buddies mac issues.
As I have stated, I only run local files and really have never experienced any issues. My old computer never experienced any issues either until the CPU crapped out. this is why I say I doubt it is not having a powerful enough computer.
Have you tried a Windows PC? I have seen more people having issues with Macs and I also know for sure (because my buddy experienced it and resolved it). It is absolutely essential to update to a certain level of the Mac OS. This resolved my buddies mac issues.
I am a bit surprised to see Roon issues and crashes. Maybe I am just lucky but apart from few times they broke with new releases (but got fixed very soon with a follow up release), my Roon setup has been working flawlessly on the Linux server 
We are running a NAS (Synology 1812+). The laptop has the latest version of Mac OS.
My hunch is that Roon constantly wants to update the library and our library is large. My guess is that it’s getting stuck somewhere. But that being said, my home setup is completely different and still has the same issues. It’s why I want to try something a little more powerful.
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I have been using Roon for 4 years. I have yet to experience Roon crashing.
I have the Roon Server installed on my fanless desktop PC computer (with i5-6500T CPU) which works 24/7. I'm using this computer daily for my email, web browsing etc.
I have the Roon Server installed on my fanless desktop PC computer (with i5-6500T CPU) which works 24/7. I'm using this computer daily for my email, web browsing etc.
Randy Myers
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Are you running only Core, not the entire stand alone Roon install? Running only the Core setup is much better and much less over head. The is no reason for the GUI to be installed on the "server" machine. The controller (tablet, another PC, phone, surface, etc.) runs the controller and meta data portion. Separating them out is a huge improvement.
Yup, only Roon core. I originally thought it was our slightly older iPad, so I bought us a new iPad Pro. The issues were the same. Ditto for my phone. I’m really thinking I need a faster NUC for the core.
When it hangs, I usually see it processing the library update here:
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still-one
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If you are still using gigaFoils eliminate those and your problems "might" disappear. I know that mine did.
I have heard other individuals get the occasional dropout when using a iPad to control Roon. Yet if they wirelessly control Roon with their laptop no issues.
I understand as a dealer you would like to have virtually every album any customer might want to have at your fingertips but that is what the search function in Qobuz and Tidal are for. Eliminate some of the 10,000 albums you (just a figure I pulled out of the air) have stored or tagged and maybe that will get rid of the bugs.
Nope, we took those out as step one.
We will figure it out. We have to, we have so many Roon devices in the store.
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Randy Myers
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Have you tried have only a small library as a trial... Maybe put a few albums into a separate folder and use that as the only folder in the library. I doubt it is the case but it might be possible that the library is over loaded.
Do you have different type of files in different folders? These folders can be individually added or subtracted within Roon. I have DSD in one folder, SACD_Rips in another, CD_Rips in another, Downloaded_Flacs in another, and so forth... Each of these can be individually added or removed from Roon... Try a smaller amount of files, or a temporary folder with a few albums in it as a test.
Do you have different type of files in different folders? These folders can be individually added or subtracted within Roon. I have DSD in one folder, SACD_Rips in another, CD_Rips in another, Downloaded_Flacs in another, and so forth... Each of these can be individually added or removed from Roon... Try a smaller amount of files, or a temporary folder with a few albums in it as a test.
Yes. A few months ago, I set up a single folder with one album in it. We proceeded to test it for a while and it was going good. Then it started to hang and splutter.
I don’t have folders for file types, they are Genre, high res, DSD, etc.
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Come on Mike, upgrade your network. I realize you love your 1200 baud modem but maybe it's time for something a little more modern. :roflmao:
PS - I tried Roon for about 6 months. While I loved the UI and access to meta data, the simplicity and speed of the Lumin app won me over. Cancelled Roon subscription.
300 baud works just fine. Love the noise it makes when we connect to this incredible thing called “AOL”.
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NekoAudio
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I guess another possibility is you have some sort of virus or trojan that is eating up resources. That could explain why it is on both your home and work systems, since there's a good chance they've had some way to communicate with each other (via the network, USB sticks, etc.). It could also explain why the system seems to be overloaded even if you have a super small set of music loaded into Roon, or why the issue seems to be intermittent instead of constant. 
Jack
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Mike
Maybe time to see if Arthur will let you try out the new Euphony Summus.
Euphony SUMMUS Music Server i7
Maybe time to see if Arthur will let you try out the new Euphony Summus.
Euphony SUMMUS Music Server i7