Analog and Vinyl: no longer the benchmark

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AJ Soundfield said:
No question gaming is huge, nor that young folks are heavily involved. But I dispute the notion they aren't listening to music as much as we did. They just do it via earbuds and phones...an option we didn't have.
Most absolutely do not want a giant audio shrine and refrigerator size horns, hence the increasing popularity of headphones(!!), soundbars, lifestyle type sources and small, wireless active speakers, etc.
heck, I think even old JA is kicking a pair of wireless(?) LS50s these days and scaling back on the bling shrine. Not suggesting by any means that is the ultimate in audio. Preferences are preferences.
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The direction of topic flow and focus is on HiFi systems AJ , as per your original assertions not mine...

IMO, kids today are not interested in HiFi systems , regardless of cost , choosing to spend $$$ on gaming stuff and yes they do still listen to music , no more than we did.

The ear bud and headphone thing is due to current zeitgiest also , these kids today are pretty closed off prefering privacy when listening or on the net , not unusual to see groups out together not talking but all on the internet with phones partying ..

Sad really ....!
 
Kingrex said:
Metrics such as dynamic range don't equal good sound.
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It most certainly does to my ears, system and music taste.

Kingrex said:
MI got rid of a DAC because it had to much punch that caused a womp in my ears. It was rough and fatiguing. Now to be fair, I did not have my front end, as in server dialed in yet..
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IOW, there were 20 other variables other than dynamic range, so it wasn't isolated as a factor.
Maybe low dynamic range is fine for you, again, that's certainly a preference.
For other systems, ears and music taste,>30-60db certainly can be quite detrimental.
I can't tell you how many of those "best" old classical recordings I see elders raving about as the greatest ever in history, that sound like total crap to me. As always, YMMV.
Btw, concert halls can easily have up to 80db dynamic range...if you are familiar with them.
 
Kingrex said:
Metrics such as dynamic range don't equal good sound. I got rid of a DAC because it had to much punch that caused a womp in my ears. It was rough and fatiguing. Now to be fair, I did not have my front end, as in server dialed in yet. My point is dynamic swing is not the end all. You hit a point in any system when loud is loud enough. Your going to start soft clipping, compressing, and making a rough blurred picture. Your going to damage your ears. Far more important is to create beautiful music at low to moderate levels. IMO. Blast away if thats your thing, but it is dangerous to your ears. And if you want to say music is only good if you can create Concert level reproduction, that's an opinion. My opinion is a voice is natural, a violin souda like wood and string, a breath is heard as well as the soft flutter of lips on a saxaphone Reed. When I hear these things at a moderate level, I know I am getting good digital and or vinyl.
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Sounds like clipping Rex , time for that bigger amp ...!
 
a.wayne said:
AJ ,

please give us a list of the recordings with 120db DR, wait , ok 90 dr , no wait 70 DR will do .. :)

A list would be great so the rest of us plebs can see what we are missing, you can add them to this DR list ..


http://dr.loudness-war.info/
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Start here https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Myths_(Vinyl)

Those DR ratios listed aren't definitive at all. I'll splain later.

now show me some vinyl with better objective metrics across the board than digital, distortion, temporal distortion, channel separation, etc, etc,
TIA
 
AJ ,

I asked for “your” list of music played on your system...btw what is there to explain about the link ..?

No one has denied the measurements , maybe i missed where i did , I ‘m saying the DR measurements dont hold up in the real world, ( many reasons why) against analog TT playback , same for most of digital specs with the exception of surface noise..

Now which measurements compensate for digital lack of time and space vs analog , what compensates for the cut and paste recreation thru a multitude of IC stages before analog playback ...

I guess if you cant hear it .....
 
I don't get your point. There is nothing in the wiki link to indicate it was written by anyone with any understanding of what they are talking about. It could be a millennial still in college trying to make a term paper. It means nothing. There is no evidence the author has any experience of knowledge of what he wrote. So yes, that is my standard. Please use it in the future.
 
Digital has no 100k upper limit.
Your analog Wiki will have to do better than that ;)
Now lets agree that analog vinyl is inferior to Digital by every objective metric...but people can prefer whatever they wish...and flat out with some available media vinyl might be better and vice versa so another variable.
Which leads to invalid comparisons. Soo..
 
I propose taking any uber TT system of choice playing back vinyl of choice and comparing against a digitized version of itself in real time so even pops and clicks come clear through.
Have vinylphile easily pick out the "analog" version. Post on YouTube. Case settled. :)
 
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