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Taiko has been beat down on this thread to the point that all is left is teeth, hair, and bone.

I have no dog in this fight because I don't own a Taiko server, but neither do some others in this thread participating in the mob beat down.
 
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mep said:
Taiko has been beat down on this thread to the point that all is left is teeth, hair, and bone.

I have no dog in this fight because I don't own a Taiko server, but neither do some others in this thread participating in the mob beat down.
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The customer who went public with being jerked around by them was treated that way by their choice of how they treated him.

Everything else was by their choice with how they've acted and chosen to treat people.

The issues everyone are having now as they are posting about is.....by Taiko's own actions.

Taiko going behind the back of one of their dealers to take 3 sales from them was Taiko's choice. Yes he promptly dropped Taiko after that.

The manufacturers who started talking about their dealings with Taiko and how they have chosen not to partner with Taiko is because of....how Taiko has chosen to be and act over the years.

It all comes back to Taiko and how they choose to repeatedly act. Clearly Taiko is comfortable with their business model. If customers are OK with that as well that's totally cool and the customers choice. Buyers have a right to know where they are sending their $60,000 to just like the customers being jerked around have a right to go public when they are fed up with being jerked around.

This - just like the dCS debacle - was made worse by the actions of the company and their shills. They turned what could have been a small hiccup into something more - again by their own chosen actions.

Thankfully this is an honest and transparent forum not run by shills so the truth is allowed here.

I'll say it again - WBF BANNED Mike this forum owner from WBF, yet the admin from WBF posts freely here. How that says it all.....
 
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As someone who has no dog in the show so to speak. I build my own server, and I am sure theirs are better, but I also doubt in my modest system I would hear the difference anyway.

However, it seems like a lot of strong words and exaggerations are being thrown out. For example, that a unit caught on fire, which is about a billion times the opposite as a piece of gear failing the burn in tests. Or, saying where you spend your $60,000 versus the single most expensive item that they sell is $28,000 Euro which equates to about $32,000 USD. They also say the lead time is 12 weeks on their website, not 2 years... so who is making up the fabrications here? I could not tell you.

I have no idea what has or has not happened, but I also know some customers get a stick up their ass and make some things seem 100 times worse than it really was. What I also know is if a discussion is going to take place, then honest facts are what is needed, not made-up bullshit or exaggerations.
 
Randy Myers said:
As someone who has no dog in the show so to speak. I build my own server, and I am sure theirs are better, but I also doubt in my modest system I would hear the difference anyway.

However, it seems like a lot of strong words and exaggerations are being thrown out. For example, that a unit caught on fire, which is about a billion times the opposite as a piece of gear failing the burn in tests. Or, saying where you spend your $60,000 versus the single most expensive item that they sell is $28,000 Euro which equates to about $32,000 USD. They also say the lead time is 12 weeks on their website, not 2 years... so who is making up the fabrications here?

I have no idea what has or has not happened and I also know some customers get a stick up their ass and make some things seem 100 times worse than it really was. What I also know is if a discussion is going to take place, then honest facts are what is needed, not made-up bullshit or exaggerations.
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Hi Randy, not sure where your confusion is coming from. It's pretty cut and dry.

- 2 year wait? Check - Taiko admitted it was true
- $60K price tag? Check - that's the price on what we are talking about - not the other units others choose to deflect with
- Customer standing by it was a fire during testing resulting in more delays? Check - he's gone public in multiple places about it himself and adamant the "burn in spin" is utter B.S. Besides, burn in doesn't cause a failure that requires an RMA of parts to a 3rd party supplier preventing a customer from receiving his new unit.
- Software issues? Check - Taiko admitted it and the Taiko thread now is still confirming it
- QC issues with the casework not meeting standards? Check - it was confirmed by others on this thread
- Stealing customers from dealers? Check - they've gone public with it

The customer has repeatedly gone public with how and why taiko told him his new-not-yet-sent-out unit was going to the back of the line as it now needed to go through an RMA process and they would not simply send him out a new one.

The customers units (along with MANY of the ones that were a 2 year deal) were $60,000, not the cheap $28K some people choose to reference to try and claim "confusion".

Interesting people want to call the customer - who has gone public himself in many places - a liar on this when they themselves have no idea what happened.

No exaggerations here. Just entertaining to watch the people who can't simply accept the truth and move on and continue to try and make up excuses. It's the "he didn't fall up the stairs regardless of what your eyes saw" defense.

To each their own. People are free to spend their money with the companies they choose to. And people are free to keep their head in the sand as well. It's all just audio - it doesn't affect any of us if people choose to face the reality or choose to try and pretend it didn't happen.
 
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I dont own any Takio products. My dealer told me that Taiko has finally cleared the backlog of Olympus. They now accept new order of Olympus.
 
Adyc said:
I dont own any Takio products. My dealer told me that Taiko has finally cleared the backlog of Olympus. They now accept new order of Olympus.
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Correct. The people who ordered in December of 2023 just recently received their units.

I genuinely hope they all enjoy their units .
 
Traded in my Taiko Extreme at full purchase value. I finally took delivery of my Olympus a couple of months ago. Astounding addition to my system. While I could engage in audiophile analysis as I listen, the Olympus shuts any desire to do so. It delivers an emotional connection unlike I have ever experienced to whatever music I play! ‘Twas worth the wait :)
 
I have no one to blame but myself for posting here as I knew Michael's laser like anger and mischaracterizations would come hurtling my way. That said, my experience with Taiko has been a wonderful ride and most who experienced the Olympus delivery delay, while frustrated, understood and gave Taiko the benefit of the doubt. Now that my Olympus is settling in and revealing its SQ magic I am really glad I waited.

If I am a shill I am the stupidest and least effective one roaming our planet given the amount of money I've spent pursuing my version of audio nirvana. Regarding me being "exposed and made famous for being among the most nasty, deceitful and dishonest Taiko shills over on WBF," I encourage you to ask my wife, wait, better not do that. What I do encourage is to visit the link below and read through a few pages of the back and forth between Michael and the "shills."


It is enlightening and, for those that enjoy a good dust up, entertaining, but also sad given Michael's viciousness and aspersion casting without evidence. And given his outrageous, repeated unsubstantiated claims and character assassinations of people who disagreed with him in the thread, I was the one who suggested he be banned, something in all my years on forums I've never done. A reading of pages 5-8 in the thread explains all.

Finally, I really enjoy Michael's passion, knowledge and experience, his youtube channel (when discussing audio components, etc.) is one of the best...
 
2ndLiner said:
I have no one to blame but myself for posting here as I knew Michael's laser like anger and mischaracterizations would come hurtling my way. That said, my experience with Taiko has been a wonderful ride and most who experienced the Olympus delivery delay, while frustrated, understood and gave Taiko the benefit of the doubt. Now that my Olympus is settling in and revealing its SQ magic I am really glad I waited.

If I am a shill I am the stupidest and least effective one roaming our planet given the amount of money I've spent pursuing my version of audio nirvana. Regarding me being "exposed and made famous for being among the most nasty, deceitful and dishonest Taiko shills over on WBF," I encourage you to ask my wife, wait, better not do that. What I do encourage is to visit the link below and read through a few pages of the back and forth between Michael and the "shills."


It is enlightening and, for those that enjoy a good dust up, entertaining, but also sad given Michael's viciousness and aspersion casting without evidence. And given his outrageous, repeated unsubstantiated claims and character assassinations of people who disagreed with him in the thread, I was the one who suggested he be banned, something in all my years on forums I've never done. A reading of pages 5-8 in the thread explains all.

Finally, I really enjoy Michael's passion, knowledge and experience, his youtube channel (when discussing audio components, etc.) is one of the best...
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It was great to watch the Great WBF Damage Control Dance of 2025 - after Tom and Steve deleted the thread and threatened to ban anyone talking about it , they heavily edited it and reposted a revised version after I called them out on YouTube for it.

And I can't even call out their edits to change what I or others said. Why not? They made it so they can rewrite history and I can't address it so people like 2nd Liner can post the revisionist history. Thankfully the audio industry now knows honesty and integrity don't go with anything WBF-related.

It's amazing how different it is now vs. the original version. Having said that I've always owned up to my part in that thread and even did so there.

Truth be told it's hard not to get wrapped up with people like 2nd liner repeatedly post lies, attacks, accusation, and insults. I admit I got sucked into all that. I admit I fell for it. I've never denied that.

I'm sorry you misconstrue calling out your dishonesty and compensated shilling as 'anger'. Or companies not taking care of customers as conspiracy.

I hope you enjoy your Taiko, I really do. It sounds like Emile really took care of you as a thank you.

Have a great day, and enjoy the music! That is after all what it's all about. But then, you posted here in hopes of getting this thread going again as you felt you needed more attention. It's ok, just be honest with us for once. :)

 
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2ndLiner said:
Toxic projection at its "finest," Michael...
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You should be enjoying your new Taiko on a cold Sunday. Not here trying to create more drama. Focus on positivity and sharing the hifi love. It will make you a healthier person and this hobby a less toxic place.

I sincerely hope your new unit works out well for you.

My message of positivity to all:

 
Michaels HiFi said:
You should be enjoying your new Taiko on a cold Sunday. Not here trying to create more drama. Focus on positivity and sharing the hifi love. It will make you a healthier person and this hobby a less toxic place.

I sincerely hope your new unit works out well for you.

My message of positivity to
Michaels HiFi said:
You should be enjoying your new Taiko on a cold Sunday. Not here trying to create more drama. Focus on positivity and sharing the hifi love. It will make you a healthier person and this hobby a less toxic place.

I sincerely hope your new unit works out well for you.

My message of positivity to all:

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"Focus on positivity and sharing the hifi love. It will make you a healthier person and this hobby a less toxic place."
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Back at ya, brah!
 
Michaels HiFi said:
You should be enjoying your new Taiko on a cold Sunday. Not here trying to create more drama. Focus on positivity and sharing the hifi love. It will make you a healthier person and this hobby a less toxic place.

I sincerely hope your new unit works out well for you.

My message of positivity to all:

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Where are the receipts posted on what you are saying about 2ndliner being a shill?
 
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Where are the receipts posted on what you are saying about 2ndliner being a shill?
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Hi Mark - disappointing with what you've been going through lately you still waste your energy like this.

May I suggest you join the 2026 Positivity Hifi Tour? It will do you a world of good.

It's very sad to see all the energy you are wasting.

Hope you have a great Sunday.
 
mep said:
Where are the receipts posted on what you are saying about 2ndliner being a shill?
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Ah, that's because there are none. That said, I'm for seeing if Michael is sincere in his attempt to bring more positivity to his postings...
 
Michaels HiFi said:
Hi Mark - disappointing with what you've been going through lately you still waste your energy like this.

May I suggest you join the 2026 Positivity Hifi Tour? It will do you a world of good.

It's very sad to see all the energy you are wasting.

Hope you have a great Sunday.
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I asked a simple question and this is your response?? I expected you would post links to the receipts about how 2ndliner was exposed as a shill.
 
mep said:
I asked a simple question and this is your response?? I expected you would post links to the receipts about how 2ndliner was exposed as a shill.
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Hi Mark - here's hoping you turn a new leaf with your second chance you've been given. Wasting that gift is a shame.

I and others tried engaging you over the years and I learned a long time ago how you operate. Nothing from you is a simple question. You operate with an ulterior motive in everything you do.

It started with you when I posted my very first video years ago. It was posted 5 minutes and you started with your crazy attacks saying I had no right to use the word "honest" in my review. You were my first taste of the arrogant and elite hifi-has-beens.

It's ok. I have no ill will towards you. I used to be bothered by you, now I have nothing but sympathy and prayers for you trying to hang on to relevance in a changing hifi world like you are.

I do wish you the best Mark.

ETA: The 2026 Positivity hiFi Tour has room for everyone. I extend an olive branch and welcome you and anyone else on it. Continuing your old ways simply won't work with me as it has in the past.
 
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Hi Mark - here's hoping you turn a new leaf with your second chance you've been given. Wasting that gift is a shame.

I and others tried engaging you over the years and I learned a long time ago how you operate. Nothing from you is a simple question. You operate with an ulterior motive in everything you do.

It started with you when I posted my very first video years ago. It was posted 5 minutes and you started with your crazy attacks saying I had no right to use the word "honest" in my review. You were my first taste of the arrogant and elite hifi-has-beens.

It's ok. I have no ill will towards you. I used to be bothered by you, now I have nothing but sympathy and prayers for you trying to hang on to relevance in a changing hifi world like you are.

I do wish you the best Mark.
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I'm tired of you insinuating that you know my medical history and I'm such a terrible person that I should have turned over a new leaf. Since you are dying to tell everyone what I went through, go ahead and post it here right now.

If anyone has any doubts about your character and the kind of person you truly are, those doubts will be removed. Besides, it will also let me know who told you information that was never intended for someone who is such a lowlife and would come on AS and try to use that info against me. But, that's who you are. I have zero need for your fake sympathy or fake prayers.
 
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