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    Why Do I Own This?

    Do you own any music mainly because it is some audiophile workhorse and really don't like the music?

    I'm going through my collection and wondering why I have so many different copies of the Fountains of Rome and the Pines of Rome by Respighi. I don't even like the music that much. One copy would be enough.

    The other record is Grand Canyon Suite by Grofe. I finally got that down to one copy.

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    A few. Admittedly, bought an expensive classical album that Fremer raved about and I heard briefly at CES in a room he was in. But after listening to it...MEH.
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    Re: Why Do I Own This?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    A few. Admittedly, bought an expensive classical album that Fremer raved about and I heard briefly at CES in a room he was in. But after listening to it...MEH.
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    When I first got into this gig, Diana Krall studio albums were all the rage. Since I was pretty excited about the prospect of enjoying some great jazz recordings, I bought em' before I even had a chance to hear em'. As it turns out - that was a mistake. The recording quality itself was fairly solid, but when it came down to the come down, I felt like I was listening to sappy soap opera music. And not the good, Star Wars or Game of Thrones kind either. I'm talkin' about something along the lines of vintage Childrens hospital material.

    Funnily enough, I still listen to and thoroughly enjoy her 'Live in Paris' album. You can judge all you want.. I ain't ashamed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    A few. Admittedly, bought an expensive classical album that Fremer raved about and I heard briefly at CES in a room he was in. But after listening to it...MEH.
    haha, on point from Paul ,.... could be your front end!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    When I first got into this gig, Diana Krall studio albums were all the rage. Since I was pretty excited about the prospect of enjoying some great jazz recordings, I bought em' before I even had a chance to hear em'. As it turns out - that was a mistake. The recording quality itself was fairly solid, but when it came down to the come down, I felt like I was listening to sappy soap opera music. And not the good, Star Wars or Game of Thrones kind either. I'm talkin' about something along the lines of vintage Childrens hospital material.

    Funnily enough, I still listen to and thoroughly enjoy her 'Live in Paris' album. You can judge all you want.. I ain't ashamed!
    I'm not much of a Diana Krall fan either but I do thoroughly enjoy 'Live in Paris'. It's a great album with excellent musicians and high recording quality.

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    Re: Why Do I Own This?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    I'm not much of a Diana Krall fan either but I do thoroughly enjoy 'Live in Paris'. It's a great album with excellent musicians and high recording quality.

    Ken
    I like some of her music, but now it's Diana "make my skin Krall" because it has become overplayed in many circles.

    I agree with Ken about "Live in Paris"
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    Re: Why Do I Own This?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    Funnily enough, I still listen to and thoroughly enjoy her 'Live in Paris' album. You can judge all you want.. I ain't ashamed!
    Zero.......I agree, Diana Krall - Live In Paris is an excellent recording and performance. I also have it on Blu-ray. Excellent concert.


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    Re: Why Do I Own This?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deafone View Post
    Do you own any music mainly because it is some audiophile workhorse and really don't like the music?

    I'm going through my collection and wondering why I have so many different copies of the Fountains of Rome and the Pines of Rome by Respighi. I don't even like the music that much. One copy would be enough.

    The other record is Grand Canyon Suite by Grofe. I finally got that down to one copy.
    Humm ... basically No.

    It's not unusual for Classical music listeners to have multiple versions of a single work (or set of works). But that's usually because we LIKE the music, not for audiophile creds.

    So for example I have 7-8 partial or complete sets of Shostakovich's string quartets, and a least as mainly versions of Beethoven's string quartets; also multiples of other composers' string quartets. I also have about as many Beethoven symphony sets or partial sets. ETC., etc.

    I'll admit that I'm often interesting in a new version of a work hoping for better sound quality, not just the different performance. However in all cases it's because I like the music.

    BTW, I have on version of Grofe's Grand Canyon Suite but haven't bother to rip it to my music file; I have one version of Ravel's Bolero but haven't played it in years. And only one version of Respighi's Pines set -- Does this make me a Classical snob?
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    I have too much Jazz and blues. I subscribed to all of the Acoustic Sounds Jazz sets except Fantasy 1&2. I haven't got around to opening some of the sets yet.

    80's is my favourite era. I can never have enough music from that period.
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    I did the same.. Krall and pat barber were all the audiophile favs. They were recorded well, but not very ďgoodĒ.
    Yet when Diana Krall came to town, I saw her in concert. A small theater in Dallas. She was great ! she broke out of her overly rehearsed mode and came alive ! She was great ! Which is probably why you like the live album.. My fav is her tribute to nat king Cole.. Great album.. others, not so good.. Pat Barber is terrible but her recordings are great for bass tests.., IMO

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    When I first got into this gig, Diana Krall studio albums were all the rage. Since I was pretty excited about the prospect of enjoying some great jazz recordings, I bought em' before I even had a chance to hear em'. As it turns out - that was a mistake. The recording quality itself was fairly solid, but when it came down to the come down, I felt like I was listening to sappy soap opera music. And not the good, Star Wars or Game of Thrones kind either. I'm talkin' about something along the lines of vintage Childrens hospital material.

    Funnily enough, I still listen to and thoroughly enjoy her 'Live in Paris' album. You can judge all you want.. I ain't ashamed!

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    Re: Why Do I Own This?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deafone View Post
    Do you own any music mainly because it is some audiophile workhorse and really don't like the music?

    I'm going through my collection and wondering why I have so many different copies of the Fountains of Rome and the Pines of Rome by Respighi. I don't even like the music that much. One copy would be enough.

    The other record is Grand Canyon Suite by Grofe. I finally got that down to one copy.
    Great question - in fact I have one copy of each of those pieces and never play them either. As a matter of interest who's versions do you favour? I have Dutoit / Montreal's Roman trio and Kunzel / Cincinnati's Grand Canyon. Nothing to compare them with unless I delve into Qobuz.

    Should we add Orff's Carmina Burana to your list? I admit to 2 copies of that - Hickox and Jochum - wait, I've found another probably never played - Blomstedt. Maybe I should punish myself and listen to it tonight! In fact there are sections I admit to enjoying.
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    Re: Why Do I Own This?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    When I first got into this gig, Diana Krall studio albums were all the rage. Since I was pretty excited about the prospect of enjoying some great jazz recordings, I bought em' before I even had a chance to hear em'. As it turns out - that was a mistake. The recording quality itself was fairly solid, but when it came down to the come down, I felt like I was listening to sappy soap opera music. And not the good, Star Wars or Game of Thrones kind either. I'm talkin' about something along the lines of vintage Childrens hospital material.

    Funnily enough, I still listen to and thoroughly enjoy her 'Live in Paris' album. You can judge all you want.. I ain't ashamed!
    Same here , the woman puts me to sleep if that says anything. We saw her in Jacksonville Fl at the Jacody Symphony Hall April 2015. "unimpressed'

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    Re: Why Do I Own This?

    obviously a 4 year old thread re-booted here.

    my 2 cents is that i fall in and out of love with certain artists, recordings, and compositions. which is why i own 10k digital albums, 8000+ Lps, 300 master dub tapes, and subscribe to Quboz and Tidal streaming. music is mostly emotional connection, and discovery, but sometimes is part system investigation or just wanting hear recordings that do certain things. our relationship with music is dynamic and contextual.

    there is no wrong reason to listen, or wrong reason to get excited or joyous about the music.

    the last few weeks, Taiko Audio, the company that builds my music server the Extreme, has been developing new music library software (called TAS....a Roon alternative with full focus on SQ). so it's caused me to revisit some digital references, and they now sound fresh and new. one of them was Patricia Barber's 'Modern Cool' in 24/176 and 24/192. it was a big WOW for me. not listened to it in a year or so. but there is no denying that it's an amazing recording and shows just how crazy great digital can get. which then triggered more Patricia Barber. she had been dead to me, but then came alive......i got it. and away i went.

    did i feel guilty? should i have felt guilty?

    there are no rules. sometimes we have to grow or evolve into music, or even regress or find another path into music. it's why we collect music and don't just throw it out when it is not speaking to us.

    no different with certain classical compositions. last weekend i had 4 guys drive up from Portland for a listening session. one of them wanted to hear the 4th (final) movement of Beethoven's 9th. so we played the Solti Decca. loved it. after they left i played it again. this week explored other Lp and digital versions.

    that is how it goes. i have maybe 20 digital and 7-8 vinyl versions of that piece and it took a trigger to jump into it. it's not the music's fault it does not have my current love or attention. not saying it's not ok to dislike (or get bored with) Diana Krall or Patricia Barber. knock yourself out. you might find if you explore 10 other female jazz singers you might change your opinion of Krall or Barber, or dislike them more. but be open to seeing things differently as time goes on......or not.

    i'm sure a thousand times i have bought music and listened and did not get it, but then later i figured it out. i had to grow, or find a path back to it. or run across it accidently and try it again.

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    Mike, our Taiko Extreme continues to impress beyond what we thought was possible every single day. Talk about peeling back the onion. Shockingly real is how I would be describe what it does to music.

    Also glad TAS is becoming a reality, Iíve been preaching ďRoon degrades the sound!!!!Ē for a long time, but it seems to have fallen on deaf ears. It will be interesting to hear what the proprietary Taiko USB drivers do to the sound as well. Emile is leaving no stone unturned.

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    Mike, yesterday morning Emile (from the Netherlands) and Wilson (the programer who lives in Canada) were in my Extreme and MSB for about 90 minutes making changes in my set-up optimizing the Alpha version of TAS and i was observing and commenting. they made the first install of the Taiko USB driver for the MSB.

    exciting developments for sure. and i expect it's only the beginning. having a software platform to be unconditionally optimized for a no holds barred hardware platform can only be good news for listeners. no third parties, multi-channel considerations, or conflicting agendas. like F1; if it does not lower lap times then we don't need it.

    fun to be a part of.

    an interesting thing is it has improved Roon performance too, but there is a gap to where TAS is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    Mike, yesterday morning Emile (from the Netherlands) and Wilson (the programer who lives in Canada) were in my Extreme and MSB for about 90 minutes making changes in my set-up optimizing the Alpha version of TAS and i was observing and commenting. they made the first install of the Taiko USB driver for the MSB.

    exciting developments for sure. and i expect it's only the beginning. having a software platform to be unconditionally optimized for a no holds barred hardware platform can only be good news for listeners. no third parties, multi-channel considerations, or conflicting agendas. like F1; if it does not lower lap times then we don't need it.

    fun to be a part of.

    an interesting thing is it has improved Roon performance too, but there is a gap to where TAS is.
    Hi Mike,

    How is the functionality of the TAS interface compared to Roon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    ... like F1; if it does not lower lap times then we don't need it..
    And like F1, finding another half second will cost you five times what lowering lap times by the previous second cost. Its good to see "no holds barred" is still part of your lexicon
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    Re: Why Do I Own This?

    Anxious to hear impressions of W20SE vs Taiko Extreme as to their sound differences ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Hi Mike,

    How is the functionality of the TAS interface compared to Roon?

    Ken
    hi Ken,

    apologize this might ramble a little.

    honestly the simplistic answer is that overall at this point it's not in the same realm of functionality as Roon. but i'm using not the final version, or the Beta version, i'm using the initial Alpha version. so it's very early in it's life. not nearly ready for prime time. not fair to judge much yet. i'm not sure i've yet fully explored the various Taiko TAS navigation tools. and it's easy to switch back to Roon if i desire......takes a minute to do it.

    that said, let me expand. if you mostly stream with Quboz then the experience is much closer to Roon. if you are mostly files then it's more restricted in how it functions. with Quboz the cover art fully works and it's easy to navigate. my big issue with the Quboz interface is right now i don't see the resolution with the cover art. i have to play it to know it's resolution.

    and for files the lack of resolution is a bigger issue since i sort my files in Roon by resolution many times. i also miss being able to sort files by most used or most recently added. this is not yet possible with TAS.

    maybe the biggest issue is load time. it only loads one track at a time and it can take from 3 seconds to 15 seconds depending on resolution and track length.

    i know you use Roon for your volume adjustment; i see a volume icon on the TAS page; but i've not tried it. so i don't know how it works at this point.

    i do expect in 2-3 months most of these restrictions will be eliminated or at least worked through.

    but it does sound superb. last night i selected 20 cuts into a Queue and sat back and let those tracks play. it's a winner pure and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    Anxious to hear impressions of W20SE vs Taiko Extreme as to their sound differences ...
    not personally done that comparison. my references are my vinyl and tape. but here are a few links that do mention both units.

    Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Creme de la Creme | What's Best Audio and Video Forum. The Best High End Audio Forum on the planet!

    Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Creme de la Creme | What's Best Audio and Video Forum. The Best High End Audio Forum on the planet!

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    mike L - thanks for the post. i have been through the modern cool album three times now and the production values / recording quality are indeed off the charts. if it sounds this good on my quirky, working-man's system, then i can only imagine what it sounds like on a proper rig like yours!

    btw: if this release is, as you seem to suggest, a guilty pleasure - then, i plead no contest.

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    I completely understand and agree with the point of view that there are many phases to music appreciation. One grows into, falls in love, feels indifferent about, rediscovers, gets excited, excitement fades, new interest and genres grab your attention and inspire, for a while... The key is to keep exploring. Keep digging. I think music is not about the final destination, it is about the journey.

    Much like it would be rather boring or perhaps even depressing to sit down and say, ďwell, thatís it. Iíve built my end game rig and this is the final destination.Ē The excitement of that moment will be short lived...

    Where I diverge and differ is that to me personally, I donít need or want to have 7-10 different versions of the same thing. I donít even want that ďthingĒ on my shelves period. Why not? See above. I can stream it today, fall in love, listen 20 times and forget about it for a few years. When I suddenly want to comeback to it, it will be in my Roon folder. I didnít have to buy it, I donít have to be the custodian of it either. Too many of the CDs and LPs that I bought before simply sat on shelves for over a decade with no play action. No more.

    Of course thatís me and FWIW and YMMV
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOctopus View Post
    I completely understand and agree with the point of view that there are many phases to music appreciation. One grows into, falls in love, feels indifferent about, rediscovers, gets excited, excitement fades, new interest and genres grab your attention and inspire, for a while... The key is to keep exploring. Keep digging. I think music is not about the final destination, it is about the journey.

    Much like it would be rather boring or perhaps even depressing to sit down and say, ďwell, thatís it. Iíve built my end game rig and this is the final destination.Ē The excitement of that moment will be short lived...

    Where I diverge and differ is that to me personally, I donít need or want to have 7-10 different versions of the same thing. I donít even want that ďthingĒ on my shelves period. Why not? See above. I can stream it today, fall in love, listen 20 times and forget about it for a few years. When I suddenly want to comeback to it, it will be in my Roon folder. I didnít have to buy it, I donít have to be the custodian of it either. Too many of the CDs and LPs that I bought before simply sat on shelves for over a decade with no play action. No more.

    Of course thatís me and FWIW and YMMV
    Serge,

    agree completely about music being about the journey and how it adds to the value of my time every day. brings joy. reduces stress. something to look forward to daily. something i can have in common with others. it's not a finish line. it's a life-passion.

    but mostly i see it differently regarding owning many versions of the same compositions. artists use compositions as part of the framework to express their art. depending on our sophistication and training as listeners, we consume and appreciate that artistry. and there is a steep learning curve to both understand and to acquire the taste for the nuances of each type of music, or even sub-types of music.

    i was a teen in the 60's, so rock n' roll was hard wired into me. i 'got' it and the differences and nuances of rock groups was apparent to me. it was not until i was over 40 years old that i started to listen to jazz, then a few years later started to listen to classical. jazz has plenty of standard tunes, but each artist does his own thing with them. as jazz lovers, we don't care if we hear 50 versions of 'Stardust' since they will all be different. it does not take long for us to get to that point with jazz. but long time classical listeners will view 50 versions of the Emperor Concerto in the same way. yet for me after 20 years i'm just starting to get those nuances. btw; i'm in no rush to know everything about classical, just enjoying my progress. and not afraid of owning multiple versions of classical music i like and investigate each one. i read the jackets and learn, or reviews. get deeper into it as i go along. that has been fun for me. but it took me awhile to get to that point.

    i do agree about owning multiple copies of exactly the same recording. i stop when i have what i consider a very good one. right now you see all these very expensive 'one step' pressings, at $100 or more. i typically already have a 45rpm version, or even a master dub tape of that recording. or.....it's a digitally sourced recording. why would i buy another? so i don't.

    part of the hobby is collecting; and i do enjoy having lots of recordings on hand. but these days if you stream you don't need to own even one. nothing wrong with that.

    i do see that maybe those 'one-step' pressings do appreciate, so maybe the idea is making a profit. so i get that part. it's just not how i view things.....or a reason for me to acquire music.

    just my 2 cents, YMMV.

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    Serge,

    agree completely about music being about the journey and how it adds to the value of my time every day. brings joy. reduces stress. something to look forward to daily. something i can have in common with others. it's not a finish line. it's a life-passion.

    but mostly i see it differently regarding owning many versions of the same compositions. artists use compositions as part of the framework to express their art. depending on our sophistication and training as listeners, we consume and appreciate that artistry. and there is a steep learning curve to both understand and to acquire the taste for the nuances of each type of music, or even sub-types of music.

    i was a teen in the 60's, so rock n' roll was hard wired into me. i 'got' it and the differences and nuances of rock groups was apparent to me. it was not until i was over 40 years old that i started to listen to jazz, then a few years later started to listen to classical. jazz has plenty of standard tunes, but each artist does his own thing with them. as jazz lovers, we don't care if we hear 50 versions of 'Stardust' since they will all be different. it does not take long for us to get to that point with jazz. but long time classical listeners will view 50 versions of the Emperor Concerto in the same way. yet for me after 20 years i'm just starting to get those nuances. btw; i'm in no rush to know everything about classical, just enjoying my progress. and not afraid of owning multiple versions of classical music i like and investigate each one. i read the jackets and learn, or reviews. get deeper into it as i go along. that has been fun for me. but it took me awhile to get to that point.

    i do agree about owning multiple copies of exactly the same recording. i stop when i have what i consider a very good one. right now you see all these very expensive 'one step' pressings, at $100 or more. i typically already have a 45rpm version, or even a master dub tape of that recording. or.....it's a digitally sourced recording. why would i buy another? so i don't.

    part of the hobby is collecting; and i do enjoy having lots of recordings on hand. but these days if you stream you don't need to own even one. nothing wrong with that.

    i do see that maybe those 'one-step' pressings do appreciate, so maybe the idea is making a profit. so i get that part. it's just not how i view things.....or a reason for me to acquire music.

    just my 2 cents, YMMV.
    Well, compositions, especially popular ones would require an enormous collection. I don't think in his wildest imagination Beethoven would have ever imagined that his "Moonlight Sonata" or Gershwin's "Summertime" would appear on Roon 3856 and 2483 times respectively, in the year 2020 and bound to only keep growing... I am not even sure if that would be possible to amass in physical media these days. Nope, that is a different passion all together to me, perhaps even an obsession. I am happy to see some remasters from time to time, they pop on Qobuz and Tidal when released.

    Right now I was happy to discover and trying to go through all the Rudy Van Gelder remasters of my favorite Jazz. He was the guy recording the jazz legends for various labels in the first place, in his studio in Englewood Cliffs, NJ. So it is a real treat to hear them in his own re-interpretation of what they can sound like today.

    I am relying on Qobuz and Tidal to keep me busy. I listen to music 8-10 hrs a day, sometimes more.... Let's just say there is never a shortage of new albums to discover and to revisit the favorites from time to time. I have not pulled an SACD or an XRCD off the shelf in quite some time. I gave up on vinyl some time ago. Just too fussy for me. Stocking up on cleaning fluids, brushes and spinning vinyl on a VPI Typhoon cleaning machine instead of listening got old real quick for me...

    Having said that, it is up to each individual of course to find joy in the way they interact with their music. A large collection, if one has that patience, budget and storage space is no different than having a large library of books. Something tangible to hold in hands and interact with. Definitely worth a lot to some, as for myself, not so much anymore.
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    When I first got into this gig, Diana Krall studio albums were all the rage. Since I was pretty excited about the prospect of enjoying some great jazz recordings, I bought em' before I even had a chance to hear em'. As it turns out - that was a mistake. The recording quality itself was fairly solid, but when it came down to the come down, I felt like I was listening to sappy soap opera music. And not the good, Star Wars or Game of Thrones kind either. I'm talkin' about something along the lines of vintage Childrens hospital material.

    Funnily enough, I still listen to and thoroughly enjoy her 'Live in Paris' album. You can judge all you want.. I ain't ashamed!
    You shouldnít feel bad at all about Krallís Live In Paris album, it is on point! Her live album makes me want to see her live. I agree about most of her remaining catalog, though.
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    Iím sorry but I donít understand the negative comments concerning Diana Krallís albums. While I have all of her SACDs and only 15 of her CDs - with more on the way - I love the music on my Luxman D-08u. I guess itís a matter of taste. I enjoy Patricia Barber too - 3 more of hers on the way.
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    Iím sorry but I donít understand the negative comments concerning Diana Krallís albums. While I have all of her SACDs and only 15 of her CDs - with more on the way - I love the music on my Luxman D-08u. I guess itís a matter of taste. I enjoy Patricia Barber too - 3 more of hers on the way.
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    Iím sorry but I donít understand the negative comments concerning Diana Krallís albums. While I have all of her SACDs and only 15 of her CDs - with more on the way - I love the music on my Luxman D-08u. I guess itís a matter of taste. I enjoy Patricia Barber too - 3 more of hers on the way.
    it's the prevalence of her music used as demo material. and that her music reflects a more buttoned down vibe.

    personally i think she is a fine piano player and mostly like her voice. most of her recordings are well done. a few are a bit tepid, but only a few. but i do have to be in that mood.

    i am a jazz and jazz vocals fan. not everyone is.

    at audio shows she is considered bad form. and i get that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    Iím sorry but I donít understand the negative comments concerning Diana Krallís albums. While I have all of her SACDs and only 15 of her CDs - with more on the way - I love the music on my Luxman D-08u. I guess itís a matter of taste. I enjoy Patricia Barber too - 3 more of hers on the way.
    I enjoy Diana Krall music and have many of her albums, DSD downloads, vinyl, etc. Same with Patricia Barber although I do believe she is very much an acquired taste .
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    Since Krall has sold over 16 million albums, I think sheís good at what she does! I guess with a huge positive fan club there comes a haterís club as well. Many poor souls just donít realize what they are missing.
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    Since Krall has sold over 16 million albums, I think sheís good at what she does! I guess with a huge positive fan club there comes a haterís club as well. Many poor souls just donít realize what they are missing.
    In all of our many years of going to concerts Krall's has the distinction of being the only one we have walked out of.
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    In all of our many years of going to concerts Krall's has the distinction of being the only one we have walked out of.
    A person walking out of a concert doesnít prove much of anything, seeing that others stayed and enjoyed the concert.

    As I previously stated, itís a matter of taste. Some people like certain singers, musicians, etc., others donít. Some like an artistís recorded albums, but donít enjoy them them live, and vice versa.

    Itís ok to have different tastes in music.
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    Do you own any music mainly because it is some audiophile workhorse and really don't like the music?

    I'm going through my collection and wondering why I have so many different copies of the Fountains of Rome and the Pines of Rome by Respighi. I don't even like the music that much. One copy would be enough.

    The other record is Grand Canyon Suite by Grofe. I finally got that down to one copy.
    Back to the OP: to me it is all about music. After being able to enjoy streaming and have access to millions of albums, I have concluded that I do not need to OWN the music.
    What matters to me is access to any MUSIC that I want, as opposed for physical stuff to own.
    This took a mindset change. Initially I did not think that a company like Spotify had no chance. Thatís because I thought that it was odd NOT owning the physical disc.
    Today you do not need to settle for lesser quality recording or performance because that is what you own. You can explore, listen, and ďleaseĒ ten different versions of a particular classical composition and even create your own version by hand-picking movements from different artists.

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    A person walking out of a concert doesnít prove much of anything, seeing that others stayed and enjoyed the concert.

    As I previously stated, itís a matter of taste. Some people like certain singers, musicians, etc., others donít. Some like an artistís recorded albums, but donít enjoy them them live, and vice versa.

    Itís ok to have different tastes in music.
    My point was in response to you indicating that some poor souls do not know what they are missing. Just letting you know that I am not missing anything. You are correct that we all have different tastes in music and that is the way it should be.
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    My point was in response to you indicating that some poor souls do not know what they are missing. Just letting you know that I am not missing anything. You are correct that we all have different tastes in music and that is the way it should be.
    Respectfully, the fact that you walked out and the MUCH MUCH GREATER NUMBER remained behind to listen, reflects more upon your lack of taste then it does in the artistís talents. With over 16 million albums sold the numbers speak for themselves.
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    Respectfully, the fact that you walked out and the MUCH MUCH GREATER NUMBER remained behind to listen, reflects more upon your lack of taste then it does in the artistís talents. With over 16 million albums sold the numbers speak for themselves.
    Horsecrap. Your response holds no water. If that was the case then all of the people who never purchased tickets for her show is an better indicator of how poor of a talent she is.
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    Horsecrap. Your response holds no water. If that was the case then all of the people who never purchased tickets for her show is an better indicator of how poor of a talent she is.
    Interesting observation Mr Horsecrap

    By your "logic" all the people who never purchased D'Agnostino, dSC and Wilson equipment is an better indicator of how poor it is.

    I don't like Diana Krall much but I have the sense not to go to one of her concerts. Surely those who buy tickets to any artist's concerts should be a fan. What did you expect that you didn't get?

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    Horsecrap. Your response holds no water. If that was the case then all of the people who never purchased tickets for her show is an better indicator of how poor of a talent she is.
    Respectfully, some people don't enjoy live music. And not everyone enjoys jazz and female vocalists so I wouldnít expect the entire world to show up at a venue. As I stated earlier, itís a matter of taste Ö Some people like jazz, others prefer rap, etc. And some aren't trained listeners, so they don't understand the beauty of what they are hearing, et. al.

    Diana Krall has sung / played with the likes of Tony Bennett, Ray Charles and Paul McCartney. She's won 24 awards from 50 nominations. I guess all these professionals are deaf too?

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    As I stated earlier, Krall has sold over 16 million albums. The numbers don't lie - she's talented. While not the greatest amount of albums sold by any artist (Beatles, 183 mil, etc.), over 16,000,000 albums is still a lot. While you and some others don't, it is clear that some individuals appreciate and enjoy her musical abilities.

    Letís put 16 million into a little perspective. I remember reading about a guy who merely counted to 1 million. He counted app. 16 hours per day. 89 days later he reached his goal of 1 million.

    So, you may get some perspective on just how many 16 mil is why donít you begin counting right now. Then you may come back here in app. 3.9 years with a little more perspective of just how popular and talented Diana Krall really is! Of course, by then you may have to add a couple more million albums sold. Happy counting Ö
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    Respectfully, some people don't enjoy live music. And not everyone enjoys jazz and female vocalists so I wouldnít expect the entire world to show up at a venue. As I stated earlier, itís a matter of taste Ö Some people like jazz, others prefer rap, etc. And some aren't trained listeners, so they don't understand the beauty of what they are hearing, et. al.

    Diana Krall has sung / played with the likes of Tony Bennett, Ray Charles and Paul McCartney. She's won 24 awards from 50 nominations. I guess all these professionals are deaf too?

    List of awards and nominations received by Diana Krall - Wikipedia

    As I stated earlier, Krall has sold over 16 million albums. The numbers don't lie - she's talented. While not the greatest amount of albums sold by any artist (Beatles, 183 mil, etc.), over 16,000,000 albums is still a lot. While you and some others don't, it is clear that some individuals appreciate and enjoy her musical abilities.

    Letís put 16 million into a little perspective. I remember reading about a guy who merely counted to 1 million. He counted app. 16 hours per day. 89 days later he reached his goal of 1 million.

    So, you may get some perspective on just how many 16 mil is why donít you begin counting right now. Then you may come back here in app. 3.9 years with a little more perspective of just how popular and talented Diana Krall really is! Of course, by then you may have to add a couple more million albums sold. Happy counting Ö
    Just because a person sells a lot of records doesn't make them a good singer . Take rappers that sing about violence . Ex Lil Wayne has sold over 120 million records worldwide. Talent doesn't equal record sells. Its people that like that type of music.

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    Just because a person sells a lot of records doesn't make them a good singer . Take rappers that sing about violence . Ex Lil Wayne has sold over 120 million records worldwide. Talent doesn't equal record sells. Its people that like that type of music.
    Talent is in the eye / ear of the beholder. I hate RAP. However, others love it and to them those artists have talent and so they purchase their records. So, records sold does relate to talent.

    Iím not worried about Krallís talent. Itís been recognized by likes of Tony Bennett, Ray Charles and Paul McCartney. She's won 24 awards from 50 nominations. Anyone who believes Krall is without talent doesnít know how to listen.

    Disliking someoneís albums is one thing, but it is quit another to say they donít have any talent.
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    Diana Krall has sung / played with the likes of Tony Bennett, Ray Charles and Paul McCartney. ...I guess all these professionals are deaf too?
    Ö
    it was probably because Billie Holiday, Bessie Smith, Sarah Vaughn, Ella Fitzgerald, Nina Simone, Dinah Washington, Shirley Horn, Anita O'Day, Helen Merrill et al, weren't available and so what if DK sold 16 million records. The Monkeys sold 75 million, by your reckoning that would make them one of the greatest rock groups of all time. LOL

    In all seriousness, DK will go down as the last standing female jazz singer of the late '90s when Jazz music was on life support. The same goes for PB.
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    Talent is in the eye / ear of the beholder. I hate RAP. However, others love it and to them those artists have talent and so they purchase their records. So, records sold does relate to talent.



    Disliking someoneís albums is one thing, but it is quit another to say they donít have any talent.
    Agree. But Talent is also in the eye of the beholder, you either like it or you don't. And I'm not saying she doesn't have talent, maybe you are just addressing other post, as my wife have seen her more than once. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    it was probably because Billie Holiday, Bessie Smith, Sarah Vaughn, Ella Fitzgerald, Nina Simone, Dinah Washington, Shirley Horn, Anita O'Day, Helen Merrill et al, weren't available and so what if DK sold 16 million records. The Monkeys sold 75 million, by your reckoning that would make them one of the greatest rock groups of all time. LOL

    In all seriousness, DK will go down as the last standing female jazz singer of the late '90s when Jazz music was on life support. The same goes for PB.
    Thank you for your perspective, "Clueless" in California. But Tony Bennett and Diana Krall have been friends over 20 years. ďVerve Label Group President and CEO, remarked, ďTony And Diana performing the music of George and Ira Gershwin at the legendary Rainbow Room in New York City exemplifies the classic standing and timeless legacy of these two amazing artists. As Tony has always said, ĎQuality never goes out of style Öand Tony and Diana are proof positive of that statement.'ĒĒ And she worked with Paul MacCarney on his album, ďKisses on the BottomĒ and he gave her one his songs entitled, "If I Take You Home Tonight.Ē So, they had a good working relationship for some years. Thus, your statement is without any warrant.
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    Agree. But Talent is also in the eye of the beholder, you either like it or you don't. And I'm not saying she doesn't have talent, maybe you are just addressing other post, as my wife have seen her more than once. .
    Sorry, but I interpreted your statement - ďJust because a person sells a lot of records doesn't make them a good singer .Ē - as being someone without talent, as you followed it with a rap example and then said, ďTalent doesn't equal record sells.Ē

    But I agree you either like someone or you donít. As Iíve repeatedly stated, itís a matter of taste. And as I stated in post 34 - ď Itís ok to have different tastes in music.Ē

    Quote Originally Posted by CPP View Post
    Just because a person sells a lot of records doesn't make them a good singer . Take rappers that sing about violence . Ex Lil Wayne has sold over 120 million records worldwide. Talent doesn't equal record sells. Its people that like that type of music.
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    You guys talking about Live In Paris got me wanting to listen to it 😁, so I just put it on.... 45 RPM version. Simply wonderful!
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    You guys talking about Live In Paris got me wanting to listen to it 😁, so I just put it on.... 45 RPM version. Simply wonderful!
    Admittedly thatís one of my absolute favorites. I havenít heard it on vinyl yet, but the CD is tremendous ....
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    Sorry, but I interpreted your statement - ďJust because a person sells a lot of records doesn't make them a good singer .Ē - as being someone without talent, as you followed it with a rap example and then said, ďTalent doesn't equal record sells.Ē

    But I agree you either like someone or you donít. As Iíve repeatedly stated, itís a matter of taste. And as I stated in post 34 - ď Itís ok to have different tastes in music.Ē
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Audioshark is a community of like minded individuals. Audioshark welcomes participation from all manufacturers and owners of all brands and products. It is our belief that online forums provide a community of like minded audiophiles and music lovers to encourage the growth of this wonderful hobby.

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