Zellaton

First off, I was not reeling about the company I just mention that there seem to be an amazing amount of speaker companies... just an off the cuff comment, not bad intent intended. The original several posts did seem to smell like a commercial ad, others agreed with me... and yes, in my view $30,000 for two way stand mount speakers is very expensive. None of this was a negative on the company, only that if it was indeed an advertisement it should be identified as such, if not then sorry for mentioning that it appears to be. None of this should affect your reading or enjoyment of this thread. If it does then I am sorry and apologies.
 
Randy Myers said:
First off, I was not reeling about the company I just mention that there seem to be an amazing amount of speaker companies... just an off the cuff comment, not bad intent intended. The original several posts did seem to smell like a commercial ad, others agreed with me... and yes, in my view $30,000 for two way stand mount speakers is very expensive. None of this was a negative on the company, only that if it was indeed an advertisement it should be identified as such, if not then sorry for mentioning that it appears to be. None of this should affect your reading or enjoyment of this thread. If it does then I am sorry and apologies.
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So what if it comes across as a "commercial ad" (I do not view it like that)? This forum is enriched by talk about different manufacturers making state of the art equipment. Otherwise, we would be talking about the same 3-4 companies all day long. I value Technial Pie's contributions to this forum-- they talk about amazing products that we usually do not hear about in the US. If you have such a bee up your bonnet about Zellaton, just ignore the thread. Why ruin it for everyone else?!!
 
I don’t know what the audio scene is like in Moscow but I also sincerely appreciate Technical Pie’s contribution as well.
 
puroagave said:
let me get this straight. first you were reeling about a speaker you never heard of, then personal anecdotes from others describing them as a fine speaker wasn't enough. when you discovered the price to be absurd (by your reckoning) you then wanted the thread moved to the commercial section because it smelled like an ad. Really? Im content coming on any forum to learn something new and read about underreported/underrated components as most discussion center around the same handful of well-worn and boring (to me) subjects.
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Dandy Randy at his finest. He wants to tell Mike how to run his forum and he doesn’t like to see expensive products being mentioned. I guess he forgot that Mike is a dealer for some very expensive products.
 
Randy Myers said:
This thread is about Zellaton, or have you forgotten. Can you please simply stop having snarky responses to every post I make. It is truly becoming tiring and is getting quite ridiculous. When the heck did I ever crap in your Wheaties? Just stop it MEP... enough is enough.
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Enough is enough with your whining about how many speaker companies there are in the world and how expensive some speakers are. You should go rearrange the toy cars on your audio rack, take some pictures, and update your system thread. That would be better than you expressing outrage at the cost of speakers you were never in the market for.
 
Mark,

Please lay off of fellow forum members. Put each other on ignore. I think Randy was more concerned that someone was trying to use the forum as advertising, not that there’s tons of manufacturers and prices.
 
quiet an entertaining e-fight:)

as for the zellatons, they are the most outstanding speakers for me. apart from the bass....little output, not even a hint of slam.
their newest model, the plural evo, is said to be a different animal. very good bass and a more attractive price (40k euro). what makes the zellaton so expensive is the work involved for the driver. for the plural evo they found a cheaper way.
i was close to buy it and it is still on my list. my wife dont want them in the livingroom though. a friend in germany got them in the store and was talking enthusiastic about.
Zellaton - PLURAL EVO
 
Now those look interesting. They are a speaker I would love to listen to, and being 92dB efficiency would make them more flexible then the 86 of their smaller model.
 
After perusing youtube for various Zellaton videos, the speakers seem like highly resolving, technical, accurate and analytical sounding type. Accurate but too antiseptic for my taste. Not something I would ever enjoy.
 
Where can I get some efficient masks?

Is there a measuring audio forum section? ...For say speakers, Zellaton included...with graphs (polar dispersion, sound waves, cumulative spectral-decay, time-delay, off-axis frequency response, total harmonic distortion, power response, amplitude, impedance, plot pattern, phase factor, bass reach, ...).
 
300,000 euro Zellaton Statement. ($400k) I know it is difficult to judge sound in a youtube video and the sound is only as good as the computer speakers you are listening through but... The highly accurate and leaner than a dog's breath and colder than a witches' t*t response always shines through with these types of overachieving speakers. Even on youtube (to my ears at least) I suppose if one is to limit them to only the "best quality/audiophile grade recordings" they would be very impressive. I know many do enjoy this type of sound though. Munich HIGH END Show - 2018 - ZELLATON - YS Sound [HIGH END AUDIO] - YouTube
 
u-sound said:
quiet an entertaining e-fight:)

as for the zellatons, they are the most outstanding speakers for me. apart from the bass....little output, not even a hint of slam.
their newest model, the plural evo, is said to be a different animal. very good bass and a more attractive price (40k euro). what makes the zellaton so expensive is the work involved for the driver. for the plural evo they found a cheaper way.
i was close to buy it and it is still on my list. my wife dont want them in the livingroom though. a friend in germany got them in the store and was talking enthusiastic about.
Zellaton - PLURAL EVO
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If the Plural Evo is 40K, that’s regular hi-end territory.

Would be interested to listen to them.


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Absolutely. You can easily hear how resolving and accurate the Statement is. Based on my experience over the years that equates to a sound that is too lean and threadbare for my taste. As I mentioned in my other posts, I am sure many will enjoy that type of sound. No doubt with audiophile recordings it is a phenomenal speaker. Not sure what else one would expect from a 300k Euro pair of speakers? Color and euphony?

Just like I have yet to encounter metal drivers that I would find acceptable long term although they can be extremely accurate. Actually the Focal Utopia headphones with a Beryllium driver that is completely linear out to 50Khz came awfully close to being perfect for me but I still gave up on them long term as I don't only listen to Asian and other Diva audiophile grade recordings. Not that anyone can make a full range speaker like the Focal Utopia headphone... My taste and preference, I am sure many will disagree.
 
Kuoppis said:
If the Plural Evo is 40K, that’s regular hi-end territory.

Would be interested to listen to them.


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not far from you
ZELLATON PLURAL EVO | Standlautsprecher | Loftsound

yes from what i heard their older drivers were made by hand and the ones for the evo are made by machine. also the plan is to produce higher number of units with the evo series than they were able with their upper series....and also a tighter pricestructure.
all this together made the "low" price possible. they cost 80k in asisa i heard. not sure what they cost in the usa.
i think for germans, in this pricecategory, if you can deal with the size and look.....sure very worth to listen to
 
u-sound said:
not far from you
ZELLATON PLURAL EVO | Standlautsprecher | Loftsound

yes from what i heard their older drivers were made by hand and the ones for the evo are made by machine. also the plan is to produce higher number of units with the evo series than they were able with their upper series....and also a tighter pricestructure.
all this together made the "low" price possible. they cost 80k in asisa i heard. not sure what they cost in the usa.
i think for germans, in this pricecategory, if you can deal with the size and look.....sure very worth to listen to
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Thanks, interesting.

Maybe worth a road trip [emoji3].


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kiwi_1282001 said:
Experienced audiophiles rarely draw conclusions based solely on YouTube videos and generally grasp that with transparent loudspeakers the characteristics of the resulting sound will be largely dictated by the recording, the partnering equipment and influence of the listening space.
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Thank you for the lesson of what an experienced audiophile needs to determine what a speaker sounds like. I've only been into it for 30 years, have either owned or auditioned or had on loan most of the brands popular in the USA since the late 80's. But you are correct, an audiophile should not jump to conclusions by listening to youtube... In my case it is enough for me to determine I will not be spending $400k on the Statements...
 
Well, I listened to the videos. Based on what I heard on the videos, they are not my cup of tea. They are way too lean and treble focused for my taste.

Comparatively, I prefer the balanced and full MBL 120 presentation on Mike’s videos. I have listened to the MBL 120 in a live audition and they sounded just as great as they did on Mike’s videos.

Ken
 
Excuse me, of course, but you are wrong!
I'm not a ZELLATON man!!! It looks funny!
There is no official ZELLATON representative in Russia at all!
In Russia, I sell many other brands Gryphon, DCS, Dynaudio, Sonus Faber ...)
And when Zellaton Legacy came for my test, I was really impressed by them.
And on this forum I just decided to share my emotions with you! That's all!
I know perfectly well the sound of expensive bookshelf speakers like Magico Q1, Raidho D, Borresen 01 and many others.
But the Legacy sound is something special!
Just listen to them!

Randy Myers said:
Sorry Mike, but this thread appears to be a free advertisement, not a discussion on their products, by a person from the company.... I personally believe that this type of thread should be in a thread for company advertisements like many other forums do... if they want to advertise their products, cool, but please don't insult us by calling it a discussion.
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