WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

I think that's a blanket statement. Tubes on the Lampi should be matched to the rest of the system. Put 45's on horns and it's delicious. Put 45's on warm speakers, and yes...too much of a good thing.

What speakers did he hear this on?


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Mike said:
I think that's a blanket statement. Tubes on the Lampi should be matched to the rest of the system. Put 45's on horns and it's delicious. Put 45's on warm speakers, and yes...too much of a good thing.

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I disagree. I have heard 242s on his Focal Maestro Utopias with Analog Domain integrated 25w SS, on verity audio leonores with Vac 30w 300bs, on excellent sensitive DIY speakers with 300b amp, and I have heard the EML 45s on the verity, the DIY speaker, a DIY horn, and now the KR 45 on the Focals. The 45s have always disappointed me the most. I have also heard the EML 45, but not compared, on the older AG Duos. For me, 242 is one of the highest jumps I have seen in electronics, provided the gain does not cause distortion.
 
bonzo said:
What speakers did he hear this on?

I disagree. I have heard 242s on his Focal Maestro Utopias with Analog Domain integrated 25w SS, on verity audio leonores with Vac 30w 300bs, on excellent sensitive DIY speakers with 300b amp, and I have heard the EML 45s on the verity, the DIY speaker, a DIY horn, and now the KR 45 on the Focals. The 45s have always disappointed me the most. I have also heard the EML 45, but not compared, on the older AG Duos. For me, 242 is one of the highest jumps I have seen in electronics, provided the gain does not cause distortion.
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I have the 242's here and will try. Like you, I was disappointed in the 45's, UNTIL I plugged in the Lampi KR 5U4G. That was a game changer.

Do you like the 242 over the PX4 and PX25?


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I have the 242's here and will try. Like you, I was disappointed in the 45's, UNTIL I plugged in the Lampi KR 5U4G. That was a game changer.

Do you like the 242 over the PX4 and PX25?

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I haven't heard the PXs yet. All I can say is, that the 242 is one of the most exciting improvements you can do to your system, much more than just changing for a valve flavour.
 
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I haven't heard the PXs yet. All I can say is, that the 242 is one of the most exciting improvements you can do to your system, much more than just changing for a valve flavour.
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Looking forward to trying it.


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My second GG came with the 242's, and I have not changed them out with any other tube yet. My first GG/system did get alot of switching out of tubes. I found I liked the 101 D WE copies the best. 300b's were a bit too syrupy for me. My room is heavily carpeted/padded, so I need a brighter detailed tube. So please qualify my opinions with that in mind. The 242's are a very nice tube, for sure. Probably the best all-around tube I've ran across yet. My system could use just a smidge more edge/brightness from the 242......but the soundstage and delicate timbre is there in spades. Just my 2 cents ???
 
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First impressions: sounds like it's one notch dialed back from the uber detailed Psvane Replica 101d's. Great separation and imaging. Listening to a familiar tune and depth seems better. I like it. Doesn't seem as fleshy and meaty sounding as the 45 or 300b at first listen though. Very high gain as well.


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Mike said:
Yes. I'm using 101d setting. Fred thought it might be the 300b setting and is confirming with Lukasz.


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My GG had no 101/300 switch.....so I cannot offer any helpful info.
 
No doubt this is a great tube and a must have in the collection of any Lampi owner. But this Lampi KR5U4G recti is making everything sound good to be honest.


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It's a very dynamic tube and when you hear the incredibly fast guitar playing of Paco De Lucia, John McLaughlin, Al Dimeola, you can really hear some incredible separation between the strings. BUT, it lacks the weight and tone of the 45 IMO.


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Mike said:
It's a very dynamic tube and when you hear the incredibly fast guitar playing of Paco De Lucia, John McLaughlin, Al Dimeola, you can really hear some incredible separation between the strings. BUT, it lacks the weight and tone of the 45 IMO.


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Have you compared the two on orchestral?
 
Mike said:
First impressions: sounds like it's one notch dialed back from the uber detailed Psvane Replica 101d's. Great separation and imaging. Listening to a familiar tune and depth seems better. I like it. Doesn't seem as fleshy and meaty sounding as the 45 or 300b at first listen though. Very high gain as well.


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Ok, 101D replicas were my favorite before. I found this a few notches up in 3 systems I tried, so did Bill in his. Jerry and Marslo too had the 101d replicas as their favorites before the 242. I found it on similar lines - neutral and fast, dynamic, bass and weight, with a few notches higher on each and more refined. You have the Elrog 300bs so those would be different to the KR 300bs, and I haven't heard the Elrogs or the Taks.
 
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Ok, 101D replicas were my favorite before. I found this a few notches up in 3 systems I tried, so did Bill in his. Jerry and Marslo too had the 101d replicas as their favorites before the 242. I found it on similar lines - neutral and fast, dynamic, bass and weight, with a few notches higher on each and more refined. You have the Elrog 300bs so those would be different to the KR 300bs, and I haven't heard the Elrogs or the Taks.
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I don't have Elrog 300b's. I have Western Electric 300b's. The real 300b!

But I love the Lampi EML 45's with the Lampi KR 5U4G. My fav so far.


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I've been going back and forth all night. This KR 242 is indeed a great tube. It has attributes like excellent transients, decay, dynamics, separation and so much more.

Agreed, it's a game changer for Orchestral. Superb!!!

Has anyone compared it to the PX4 or PX25?


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Mike said:
I've been going back and forth all night. This KR 242 is indeed a great tube. It has attributes like excellent transients, decay, dynamics, separation and so much more.

Agreed, it's a game changer for Orchestral. Superb!!!

Has anyone compared it to the PX4 or PX25?


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Hi Mike,

I have compared it to Px-4. They are very different indeed. The Px-4 is deadly silent tube which yields spooky resolution in my system that exceeds all others. It is weighty like 300b but not quite as rich. The 242 is much more like a supercharged and impressive 101d so they are chalk and cheese. Because Kedar and I like a lot of orchestral, there is simply no tube I have tried that does orchestral like 242. I am hoping the Kr Px25 can compete but bringing even more richness to the mix - will have to hear some soon.
 
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