Why no turntable?
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a.wayne
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All valid points. I’m part of a few groups of vinyl lovers and 95% don’t have a analog rig more than a VPI Prime or even VPI Scout or similar from Avid or ClearAudio. These folks start out with a few records from GoodWill for 75 cents. Within a few months they are buying Music Matters, Analog Productions, MOFI, finding rare first pressings, etc. You NEVER EVER EVER hear them say, “oh geez, I should have bought a CD player.” In fact, I had to look hard to find a group dedicated to CD’s (I found ONE). But there are dozens of vinyl groups. Hell, there is a group dedicated to just Music Matters pressings - and there are only about 165 (I have them all). There are groups just for MOFI pressings. Vinyl collector groups are everywhere. That’s the fun.
My point is that it becomes more about the collecting of the records and the listening to them, then who’s got the best turntable. In fact, most guys don’t give a shit which turntable you have. They’re more interested in your take on a particular new pressing or a rare old one.
I haven’t witnessed too many turntable fights. Why? Because the turntable guys want them all and love them all. I would love that black gold AF3 TT. OMG, it’s so pretty and yet, I sell AF’s number one competitor - Kronos. I would love an SME, Kuzma or ClearAudio. There isn’t a bad one in the bunch.
The only squabbles I’ve seen is when you see things getting out of hand like $35,000 tone arms and $400,000 tables. Are they good products? Sure, but as I’ve said, buy the $25K rig instead and get $375,000 worth of records!
So you start with a simple setup and start enjoying a part of the hobby you may not have ever experienced before or haven’t done for a long time. Unlikely you will be thinking of a better turntable for a few years. You will be probably more focused on finding that Japanese pressing of DSOTM.
Apparently getting out of hand starts at 5 K ...
Did you list your 5K- 25K system options , interesting to see what 5K can purchase at retail ..
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True. My analog system is sounding decent. But still a loooong way of from what's possible. If you have less then 10k to spend on analogue. Just don't.
a.wayne
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Analog TT is driven more by setup , combination and alignment than cost. There are basic TT Jungle laws if followed narrows the gap. The really top notch expensive stuff allows a wider performance window going from pressing to pressing , pulling more out of the groove so to speak...
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Randy Myers
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I can't/won't dispute this. All I can say is that I rarely notice anything that I would classify as digital noise (I'm also sure it is there but it does not appear to affect me much), but I instantly notice noise from any vinyl system I hear, weather it is the tell tale pops and clicks or the inherent low level hums, etc., that seem to be the norm in phono listening. Then again I have never owned or lived with systems the level that I see discussed here. Us middle class worker bees would never be able to wildly consider spending $25k + on a vinyl setup.
AJ Soundfield
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That's because you can't hear inside Mr Waynes head where it originates/resides.
It doesn't exist in physical reality of measurable soudwaves, or else it would be demonstrable, like LP snap, crackle, pop.
No imagination needed to hear, or surprise, surprise, measure that. Because it's real.
Vinylphiles somehow ignore it, we can't. I have heard relatively quiet vinyl playback. Actually sounds great with stuff like Elvis, etc, better than the digital release versions. Then they queue up some classical....
a.wayne
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a.wayne
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Low level hum is not apart of analog TT , again if you cant live with the clicks and pops of analog TT i get it , nothing wrong with that ..
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AJ Soundfield
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Well if your ears weren't connected to a 486 you could hear alot of things ..
And if you and MEP upgraded from 56k modems you might be alright :hey:
Kingrex
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No Ed, don't do it. It is as big a hole as digital. Never ending trying to extract the best. And its hard. Very hard to learn and really set up right. Joe can set it up, but, he sells VPI. Then you need a phono preamp. Another pit of what to get. How to select. Then the cartridge. More owe my god. It will keep you from listening to music. And, your digital setup is going to slaughter any vinyl rig unless you spend $30K or more. Your really are at the pinnacle of digital. It will be hard to match it.
Owe yea, it takes up a lot of room because it needs a dedicated stand to meet the expectation you are going to place on it. And where is that going to go in your listening room. Your speakers are very powerful. They will inject sound waves right into any TT near them.
BlueFox
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Aside from the cost and maintenance hassle, the biggest issue for me with analog is you can’t create playlists of songs you like. Being able to do that with my Lumin gives me hours of uninterrupted pleasure listening to music.
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Randy Myers
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Another one bits the dust
...I could never go back. All the hassles associated with vinyl would interfere with my enjoyment of music. I hear people say the hassles of digital :disbelief:, and I wonder how in the world is digital more of a hassle then caring for and setting up a turntable and keeping said table from ruining my albums.... and storage of those albums and record cleaning machines and isolating that table from sound waves in the room, and.... and... and... and then my head starts spinning...
especially when I know how straight forward and simple digital can be... much less so if you do not depend on streaming and "services" but instead keep your music locally.
AJ Soundfield
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A true music lover listens to entire albums start to finish, no matter how torturous individual tracks are. Take the pain.
Oddly enough, I listened to 2 Rachmaninoff symphonies back to back last night...on my digital rig. No irresistible urge to hit shuffle/random play. Weird.
Btw, speaking of "analog" playlists, aren't cassettes making a comeback?
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Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Most of those telling you not to do it, don’t presently own a turntable. Hmmm. And memories are a fickle thing. I don’t know who “Joe” is, but VPI is a real good one. Get a Prime and a nice Ortofon or similar cart and you’re in your budget.
Setup is hard? No. And it’s something you should learn anyway. Reading glasses help. Buy and watch this video and you’ll have a new skill —> https://www.amazon.com/21st-Century-Vinyl-Practical-Turntable/dp/B000HA4WU2
There are dozens of videos online as well like this one:
https://youtu.be/VfJnMtolAWo
But I would definitely get the Fremer one and watch it. That being said, I’m sure your dealer will set it up for you, but frankly, it’s really a skill you want to know yourself. You will need a few basic tools and you’re on your way. VPI’s come with a scale.
Phonostage? SimAudio makes one for about $300. iFi too (iPhono 2). You can go up from there. The Manley Chinook is a killer for the $$.
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Randy Myers
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The only problem with the Fremer one is that he is a pompous ass ... I admit to not watching this dvd/video, however I have seen videos and read many a review. I watched the video where speakers were being delivered to his "listening space" (I can't in good conscience call it a listening room). I have never seen a bigger mess in my life and the way he treats insanely expensive gear is simply overwhelming, frustrating, irritating, and above all else disrespectful.
... I admit to not watching this dvd/video, however I have seen videos and read many a review. I watched the video where speakers were being delivered to his "listening space" (I can't in good conscience call it a listening room). I have never seen a bigger mess in my life and the way he treats insanely expensive gear is simply overwhelming, frustrating, irritating, and above all else disrespectful.
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The only problem with the Fremer one is that he is a pompous ass
So why is Fremer a "pompous ass?"
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He has always been kind to me and you know what? When we launched the Florida Audio Expo, Jason and Michael from Stereophile jumped right in to cover it and all the guys from Part Time Audiophile and Enjoy The Music too. The guys from TAS told us to go pound sand. Michael gave several seminars that people are still talking about today. I don’t forget those things.
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