Why no turntable?

TheOctopus said:
So a serious question, can a record be played in zero gravity of space? What if the astronauts decide they want to bring a turntable and some of their favorite albums on a long mission to Mars? :)
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I would guess no because a turntable is dependent on gravity to put the proper force on the needle in the groove. I have no knowledge of this but I would speculate that some clever company could mechanically put the correct force on the stylus in the groove (maybe some company already does????). But then you would have to consider spinning the record at the correct speed in zero gravity.... and you better clamp that sucker down :)....
 
Randy Myers said:
I would guess no because a turntable is dependent on gravity to put the proper force on the needle in the groove. I have no knowledge of this but I would speculate that some clever company could mechanically put the correct force on the stylus in the groove (maybe some company already does????). But then you would have to consider spinning the record at the correct speed in zero gravity.... and you better clamp that sucker down :)....
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It's actually been done before, at least in "Near Space" check it out. https://youtu.be/z1751oqIKYc

Now, of course a proper "adustable" VTF dial with "presets" such as Earth, Moon, IO, Mars, Jupiter, etc.. would be very convenient since the gravity is oh so different everywhere... It would be perfectly OK for the turntable to float around in zero gravity, right side up or upside down as there is no reference point in space.... Theoretically it should work just fine. No need for vibration isolation, no footfall to worry about, etc. The speed is an interesting question as "time" reference is different due to gravitational fields of heavenly bodies. Time slows near bodies with tons of gravity so better compensate for that too. The 33 1/3, 45, 78 may not work very well... :cool: But I think the aliens will figure it out when they find the Voyager golden record that's been up there in space traveling since 1977...
 
That is great. I figured they could make something specifically designed to keep the correct force no matter the environment. I can see it now... the perfect tracking force table for only $100,000... orders your now!
 
I’m vinyl/ turntable illiterate. What would be a turntable setup (hopefully at a modest price) at least on par with MSB Discrete + Roon Nucleus?
 
kzhtoo said:
I’m vinyl/ turntable illiterate. What would be a turntable setup (hopefully at a modest price) at least on par with MSB Discrete + Roon Nucleus?
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VPI HW40, VPI Prime Signature, Avid Volvere/Volvere SP, Brinkmann Bardo, Acoustic Signature Double X, etc.

Example:

VPI Prime Signature - $6k
VPI Gimbal Tomearm - included
Ortofon Cadenza Black Cart - $2800
Phonostage of your choice - $3k
 
Mike said:
VPI HW40, VPI Prime Signature, Avid Volvere/Volvere SP, Brinkmann Bardo, Acoustic Signature Double X, etc.

Example:

VPI Prime Signature - $6k
VPI Gimbal Tomearm - included
Ortofon Cadenza Black Cart - $2800
Phonostage of your choice - $3k
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Thanks a lot, Mike. [emoji106] Not so bad price wise, better than I expected. Under $15k.

Also, after quite a number of posts on this thread, I hope people do get that you’re suggesting turntable as an option, not to replace their beloved digital setup. With Tidal and MSB, I won’t be able to get away from them even if I try, but spinning records one or two nights a week when the mood is right to enjoy this side of the hobby sounds enticing to me.
 
I think most of us realize that it is not to replace digital, but instead as another source and path that could be taken.

At one time I had a very nice (in my view) turntable setup and after getting back into this crazy hobby a few years ago I have thought about adding a turntable. Then I decide that whatever I put in to the table could be spent improving my digital or another area that I have been listening to lately, my portable setup.

I am also leaning towards convenience any more. A table certainly isn't that.
 
kzhtoo said:
Thanks a lot, Mike. [emoji106] Not so bad price wise, better than I expected. Under $15k.

Also, after quite a number of posts on this thread, I hope people do get that you’re suggesting turntable as an option, not to replace their beloved digital setup. With Tidal and MSB, I won’t be able to get away from them even if I try, but spinning records one or two nights a week when the mood is right to enjoy this side of the hobby sounds enticing to me.
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Absolutely. You want both. There’s many albums I can’t get on vinyl. But there are many albums superior on vinyl compared to the digital version. It’s nice to have both and choose. Let me give you an example, Sade Diamond Life. It’s not the best on digital, but the Japanese pressing I have on vinyl is incredible. Night and day better.


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And to add to this discussion, I wonder why no tone arms are mentioned?

for example, the DP-6 and DP-8 from moerch.dk
 
joeinid said:
What carts would go well with it?
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They'll be at RMAF, presumably with a cartridge installed, so keep an eye out.
Amazing that they can sell a domestic produced product like that at that price, direct sales notwithstanding. Bit more than "basic" imo.
 
AJ Soundfield said:
They'll be at RMAF, presumably with a cartridge installed, so keep an eye out.
Amazing that they can sell a domestic produced product like that at that price, direct sales notwithstanding. Bit more than "basic" imo.
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Agree..........looks very nice....
 
joeinid said:
My brother wants to buy that one. He thinks I should get one too. It does looks nice.

What carts would go well with it?
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A Ortofon red for starters, inexpensive or jump up in price. . It will be interesting to read the RMAF reports from those that actually saw it and heard it when matched to a decent phono amp.
 
Sorry I didn’t have the years needed to read this whole thread. I do own a table. When I look at my vinyl collection, I recall all the parties and good times I had 40 years ago. Invariably my turntable and vinyl came along. Oftentimes I would bring my vinyl to the party, not knowing (or caring) what table was being used. I also recall all the turntables and cartridges I have owned. Most of my record collection saw every one of them. From my original AR/Pickering rig to now.

In recent times, when I spend my audio stash, I contemplate the best place to advance the sound of my rig. Analog rarely enters the equation. Firstly it is a very expensive road to travel down. Secondly, all those party scratches, grunge, pops and noise will always be tagging along for the ride. Let’s not forget how much badly recorded vinyl was out there in analog’s hey day. Additionally all present day recordings are digitally recorded and mastered anyway. The A to D, and D to A conversions are in there somewhere.
 
For me, the music comes first. Some music is only attainable on vinyl, SACD, CD, dsf even, the system should be able to play everything. Nearly a 40 year absence, vinyl is back at home, mainly for reasons of nostalgia, but have noticed that vocals and drums are more realistic with vinyl than digital of the same music, typically CD. Vinyl has more surface noise, partnered with revealing electronics, it's a balance to be sure not to be irritated by clicks and pops. To my ear, the equipment is out of the equation, and reliant on the recordings, I recall a phrase printed on early CD sleeves that's very applicable "subject to limitations of the source".

I found that wiping the record with a microfibre cloth, rotating the record and holding the cloth on both sides, removes a lost of dust and doesn't attract new dust. Tip: The MOFI anti static brush is useless, it charges the vinyl to very high voltage values, sometimes the record is stuck to the platter.

Vinyl setup
Technics SL-1210 GR & Ortofon Blue MM -> RG-6 cable -> Accuphase A-2450 -> Accuphase C-2420
 
Another very good starter type table that Ed (UltraFast69) found and that received quite good ratings in The Absolute Sound is U-Turn.

There are many configuration options including built in or external phono stage. The U-Turn Orbit Special with the built in phono stage cost me $529.

https://uturnaudio.com/products/orbit-special-turntable

The special uses a solid hardwood plinth (maple or walnut) while their standard models use MDF (a variety of colors are available). It also comes with the acrylic platter, an Ortofon 2M Red cartridge, and the optional cue lever. You can do a custom build and get a Blue version cartridge.

The Special is normal $459 and the built in phono-preamp ads $70. The same pre is sold external for $89. The internal can be by-passed if you decided to try other phono stages.

Dam nice table and great find by Ed. I decided to pick one up to dip my toe back in the vinyl water; it seems to be a very nice table.

Here is what U-Turn is all about:
"U-Turn Audio is an independent turntable maker located in Woburn, MA. Our mission is to make great sound more accessible.

We were started by three music lovers who believe you shouldn’t have to overpay for a great listening experience. In college, we found that our budgets were at odds with our ears. We had to choose between overpriced turntables that we couldn’t afford and cheap turntables that we couldn’t bear to listen to. So we decided to build our own.

In 2012, we launched a Kickstarter campaign for the Orbit Turntable, “an all-analog turntable for today’s vinyl listener.” The feedback was overwhelmingly positive, and we have been building turntables and taking names ever since.

By doing all of our own design and engineering, keeping our manufacturing in-house, and engaging with customers directly, we’re able to provide high-quality turntables at affordable prices. We value simple design, quality craftsmanship, and personal customer service.

We do what we do because better music makes for a better life. Buying and owning a turntable should be fun and easy, and it should leave money in your pocket for what really matters – the music."
 
Randy Myers said:
Another very good starter type table that Ed (UltraFast69) found and that received quite good ratings in The Absolute Sound is U-Turn.

There are many configuration options including built in or external phono stage. The U-Turn Orbit Special with the built in phono stage cost me $529.

https://uturnaudio.com/products/orbit-special-turntable

The special uses a solid hardwood plinth (maple or walnut) while their standard models use MDF (a variety of colors are available). It also comes with the acrylic platter, an Ortofon 2M Red cartridge, and the optional cue lever. You can do a custom build and get a Blue version cartridge.

The Special is normal $459 and the built in phono-preamp ads $70. The same pre is sold external for $89. The internal can be by-passed if you decided to try other phono stages.

Dam nice table and great find by Ed. I decided to pick one up to dip my toe back in the vinyl water; it seems to be a very nice table.

Here is what U-Turn is all about:
"U-Turn Audio is an independent turntable maker located in Woburn, MA. Our mission is to make great sound more accessible.

We were started by three music lovers who believe you shouldn’t have to overpay for a great listening experience. In college, we found that our budgets were at odds with our ears. We had to choose between overpriced turntables that we couldn’t afford and cheap turntables that we couldn’t bear to listen to. So we decided to build our own.

In 2012, we launched a Kickstarter campaign for the Orbit Turntable, “an all-analog turntable for today’s vinyl listener.” The feedback was overwhelmingly positive, and we have been building turntables and taking names ever since.

By doing all of our own design and engineering, keeping our manufacturing in-house, and engaging with customers directly, we’re able to provide high-quality turntables at affordable prices. We value simple design, quality craftsmanship, and personal customer service.

We do what we do because better music makes for a better life. Buying and owning a turntable should be fun and easy, and it should leave money in your pocket for what really matters – the music."
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We’ve jumped in Randy!

I just love U-Turns attitude!



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How does the U-Turn Special compare to, say, the Pro-ject Debut Carbon or Rega Planar 1?


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