What Pins Your High-End Audio BS Detectors?

Bobvin said:
In the boxes the units ship in, there is a small sheet of paper, printed in red, usually taped to the outside of the plastic bags, that says the sound of the unit will improve up through 600 hours. There has been one of these in my VS115 box, REF3, REF110, and now REF 10 and ReF 75 boxes too.
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Interesting, well I guess I have a few more weeks to go. My hour display for my tubes only notes 439
 
CPP said:
Interesting, well I guess I have a few more weeks to go. My hour display for my tubes only notes 439
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From what I have read from others is there are noticable changes at a few milestones along the way, but after 400 hours the changes become smaller. Certainly for my current rig up through the first 100 hours I had some nights where the music just seemed flat and a bit compressed. Much better now at ~150 hours, I look forward to whatever improvements are yet to come.
 
Bobvin said:
From what I have read from others is there are noticable changes at a few milestones along the way, but after 400 hours the changes become smaller. Certainly for my current rig up through the first 100 hours I had some nights where the music just seemed flat and a bit compressed. Much better now at ~150 hours, I look forward to whatever improvements are yet to come.
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For me new gear starts out sounding hard then 30 to 40 hours sounds good then gets flat sounding . Then builds into a full sound the 300 to 400 hours seems close. It maybe all in my head but I do not think so. What makes it right I do not know but when it is WOW. I still say the best thing in the system is the record itself . Then just follow the chain down . IMO only
 
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Garth said:
For me new gear starts out sounding hard then 30 to 40 hours sounds good then gets flat sounding . Then builds into a full sound the 300 to 400 hours seems close. It maybe all in my head but I do not think so. What makes it right I do not know but when it is WOW. I still say the best thing in the system is the record itself . Then just follow the chain down . IMO only
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Don't forget that most new LPs take a few plays to sound their best! :)
 
This isn't the kind of commentary I have come to expect from a "friend" regarding the craft I and my colleagues have spent the better part of our lives perfecting.
 
This is just how done feel it's not meant to hurt anyone.
Butbine must consider how much time and money we spend in this hobby.
 
Willem said:
This isn't the kind of commentary I have come to expect from a "friend" regarding the craft I and my colleagues have spent the better part of our lives perfecting.
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Willem-What company do you represent?
 
My same thought but I did not want to say it. Lol
apparently we all should be deaf and blind mice willing to spend money blindly
and will fully to all
God bless audio
 
Alrainbow said:
My same thought but I did not want to say it. Lol
apparently we all should be deaf and blind mice willing to spend money blindly
and will fully to all
God bless audio
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exactly.

I don't want to be apart of any site that becomes to ;

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now isn't this how cable test are done :D
 

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Truth in audio is a rare find. The automobile industry doesn't candy coat anything. When company X comes out with a new car, the reviewers go to work to pick it apart and if it's a truly great car, they will say. If it's not, they will say. No product is perfect. None. So when someone says they love 19 things about a product, but one thing wasn't so great, that doesn't make it a bad product. Quite the contrary.

What I'm always doing is looking at the performance to price ratio. My expectations for a $60,000 speaker are far far greater than ones that cost $5,000.
 
Anyone surprised by MF's ringing endorsement of Synergistic Research do-dads in the latest Stereophile? I know the SR do-dads are an easy target for criticism, but I do think that MF has a sharp set of ears.
 
mep said:
Anyone surprised by MF's ringing endorsement of Synergistic Research do-dads in the latest Stereophile? I know the SR do-dads are an easy target for criticism, but I do think that MF has a sharp set of ears.
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Not really. I'm sure their products make a difference. There are a lot of products on the market that make a difference. I believe everything can make a difference, but as audiophiles, we need to always ask ourselves, "are these things better or are they just different?" I've found that with certain isolation devices. Some, in the right places, can make sonic improvements to the sound. Too many, and you suck the life out of the system. It's a real balance.
 
Mike said:
Not really. I'm sure their products make a difference. There are a lot of products on the market that make a difference. I believe everything can make a difference, but as audiophiles, we need to always ask ourselves, "are these things better or are they just different?" I've found that with certain isolation devices. Some, in the right places, can make sonic improvements to the sound. Too many, and you suck the life out of the system. It's a real balance.
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As evidenced by this thread, SR products have pegged lots of people's BS detectors. It just makes me curious when people who I have some respect for say very favorable things about them. I did hear the SR RF generator which has more surround effects than any AVR on the planet at RMAF 2014. I'm not buying into that voodoo for a second. I hate 3 second demos first of all and whatever chance On a Higher Note had to show off the gear they brought was dashed on the rocks of the SR demos. Some well-known reviewers are drinking the Kool-Aid though.
 
My BS meter is set to detect the "explanation level" of whatever thingies are offered:

0. Level zero: when the manufacturer offers explanations on what the device does, the principles underlining the results and how it achieves the goal, with technical info.
Hint: X will give you better highs by avoiding skin effect. This is achieved by using surface oxidation. Since copper oxide has more resistance than copper, the flow of current toward the surface is minimized and results in a more even distribution of current within the section of the cable.

1. Level one: when the manufacturer offers explanations on what the device does, the principles underlining the results and how it achieves the goal.
Hint: X will give you better highs by avoiding skin effect. This is achieved by using surface oxidation.

2. Level two: when the manufacturer offers explanations on what the device does, the principles underlining the results but not on how it achieves the goal (yes I know, it's all "patent pending").
Hint: X will give you better highs by avoiding skin effect. This is achieved by using our special method of manufacturing (patent pending for the last decade).

3. Level three: when the manufacturer offers explanations on what the device does, but not the principles underlining the results and even less on how it achieves the goal.
Hint: X will give you better highs because this is how we made it.
 
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