What are some dymanic driver/non-horn speakers that have that "jump" factor?

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I guess I'm curious to see to what brands have Horn like life/jump/presence but, are your standard dynamic driver speaker.

Devore Fidelity and Tekton Design were names mentioned to me but, wanted to ask around to see if there are others.
 
What are some dymanic driver/non-horn speakers that have that "jump" factor?

Stenheim.

Devore? No.

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Thanks. Ok so, another one for you.

Does one exist that has the resolution/transparency of a Electrostatic? I would assume it would be the Vivid?
 
Spatial Audio gets another vote from me...
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Can you define what "jump factor" means to you?
 
mep said:
Can you define what "jump factor" means to you?
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It would describe it as if I was listening to a horn speaker. Perhaps it has to do with the combination of horn/ high Sensitivity.
 
mdp632 said:
I guess I'm curious to see to what brands have Horn like life/jump/presence but, are your standard dynamic driver speaker.

Devore Fidelity and Tekton Design were names mentioned to me but, wanted to ask around to see if there are others.

It would describe it as if I was listening to a horn speaker. Perhaps it has to do with the combination of horn/ high Sensitivity.
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Most horns use dynamic drives. What you are most likely trying to describe, are "direct radiator" speakers, i.e. non-horn loaded "naked" drivers like most dome tweeters, mids, etc...with higher sensitivity. Those exist. However, horn loading doesn't just raise sensitivity, it controls directvity, so the polar pattern/off axis is markedly different from the uncontrolled "naked" direct radiator drivers. This narrowed radiation vs wider has audible consequences, including all the audiophile verbiage like "jump" etc.

As a side note, many audiophile speaker sensitivity "specs" are blatant lies, for the intended uncritical easily convinced audience. Stereophile et al measurements reveal this on a consistent basis, though that has, understandably, zero effect.

cheers,

AJ
 
AJ Soundfield said:
Most horns use dynamic drives. What you are most likely trying to describe, are "direct radiator" speakers, i.e. non-horn loaded "naked" drivers like most dome tweeters, mids, etc...with higher sensitivity. Those exist. However, horn loading doesn't just raise sensitivity, it controls directvity, so the polar pattern/off axis is markedly different from the uncontrolled "naked" direct radiator drivers. This narrowed radiation vs wider has audible consequences, including all the audiophile verbiage like "jump" etc.

As a side note, many audiophile speaker sensitivity "specs" are blatant lies, for the intended uncritical easily convinced audience. Stereophile et al measurements reveal this on a consistent basis, though that has, understandably, zero effect.

cheers,

AJ
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Zero effect on what? People's purchasing decisions? Another factor is that even though a speaker can meet it's stated sensitivity as confirmed by JA's measurements, it can obscure the fact that the speaker is very hard to drive due to its average low impedance and sometimes difficult phase angles.
 
mdp632 said:
It would describe it as if I was listening to a horn speaker. Perhaps it has to do with the combination of horn/ high Sensitivity.
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Horns and high sensitivity normally go hand in hand. If you have a high sensitivity speaker that is an easy load for an amp to drive, your speakers jump to life very quickly at very low power. The inverse of that are speakers with low sensitivity and present a difficult load to the amplifier which results in having to crank the volume to bring your speakers to life.
 
mep said:
Horns and high sensitivity normally go hand in hand. If you have a high sensitivity speaker that is an easy load for an amp to drive, your speakers jump to life very quickly at very low power. The inverse of that are speakers with low sensitivity and present a difficult load to the amplifier which results in having to crank the volume to bring your speakers to life.
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This is my exact situation. I’m debating either switching speakers or having to go to monoblock amps.
 
Thank you for starting this thread. That jump factor is addictive and I am looking for similar in my next speaker - so much so that I'm hoping to fly down to Mike's early next year to hear some avantgardes and see if they are the bees knees for me.

One of the earlier comments mentioned magico m series. can anyone expand on this - i have the s5mk2 and there is some jump for sure but only when i crank the volume (so i do!), not sure if i noticed more on the m series or not but i have never heard the m series in my room and my system so apple-to-apples comparison is hard.

if one wants to extract extra jump from their current speakers, i found that lowering the noise floor helps the most and then adequate amplification. in my case the following changes really brought it out for me: i plugged everything into a torus avr unit which really brought down the noise floor, then - most surprisingly - a change in music server allowed for another reduction in noise floor and increase in resolution...there was a new sense of realism, finally a more powerful amp helped which also surprised me as i didn't think my speakers needed more power. maybe this comes back to the earlier comments about sensitivity ratings on paper vs. in room but from what i've read the mk2 series doesnt have too many nasty phase angles but the m series does seem to be higher sensitivity.
 
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