Wadax Studio Player

The prices for ultra high end gear is, in many cases, stunning and well beyond what I'm willing to spend. Value, unlike price, is relative. German cars are a good example-I've owned Audis-Mercedes makes gorgeous driving machines, but yet the German cars consistently rank below far less expensive cars in reliability studies. Which car represents value? Depends on who is doing the buying. There must be a few who see value in six figure DAC stacks, and if there is a willing buyer and a willing seller, that makes a deal.

I am sharply critical of the magazines practices, but they are making an effort to cover high quality, less expensive gear. In the current edition of Stereophile, there are extensive write-ups of less expensive gear from Laiv, Hifi Rose, Wattson and Onkyo. As you climb the price ladder, I think you generally get better performance, but the higher you go you pay dearly for pretty small returns, at least that's how it seems to me. Where the sweet spot lies depends on means and priorities. The good news is you can create a really good audio experience for probably ten grand or less.

In the case of Wadax, it seems likely that when they developed the no holds barred six figure machines they knew there would be only a small number of buyers. They likely also knew they could deploy that technology in the Studio Player line and leverage those efforts into higher volume products, and that's a good thing. Forty grand is a stiff price for sure and I have no idea how much profit is in those machines. I can't help but think, however, that if it gets you 90-95% to the big rig, a lot of folks in this hobby will see it as very expensive in absolute terms, but a value for what they are trying to accomplish.
 
Value is always relative. Whats a value to you may not be to someone else.
Lets face reality this stuff is not made for everyone and to drom 40k post tax on a DAC etc means you first have to make it.

There are so many things I can't afford but I don't feel the need to crap on them, or say they are over priced or whatever. I just don't buy them and honestly I don't care. My ex at one time wanted a Birkin Bag, she isn't with me now and as far as I know she still doesn't have one HAHA
 
My point is simply put, that $40k item could easily be priced at $10k and probably would still make the company money. But the company probably thinks this would hurt their reputation. Also, the other way of looking at it is that there is no justification for the $400k digital product.... NONE.
$10K? From TAS review: "As with Wadax’s Reference products, the Studio Player is built to a very high standard of construction. It is made from more than 4500 discrete parts distributed over 40 separate printed circuit boards. The power supply is elaborate, with distributed regulators next to the circuits they supply. There are five stages of initial DC regulation followed by 30 local regulation stages."
 
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I can definitely see that. This is why some companies such as McIntosh have raised all their prices by 15% or more. I am guessing over seas cost have not gone up as much, but shipping into the US has.
the dollar is down at least 10 percent against the Euro ( depends on the day) you have tariffs now 10 percent or more, freight costs have risen steadily since 2020, we are now having higher fuel costs again and this is on all imports and imported parts. THis is life its all more costly and it never goes down.
 
The prices for ultra high end gear is, in many cases, stunning and well beyond what I'm willing to spend. Value, unlike price, is relative. German cars are a good example-I've owned Audis-Mercedes makes gorgeous driving machines, but yet the German cars consistently rank below far less expensive cars in reliability studies. Which car represents value? Depends on who is doing the buying. There must be a few who see value in six figure DAC stacks, and if there is a willing buyer and a willing seller, that makes a deal.

I am sharply critical of the magazines practices, but they are making an effort to cover high quality, less expensive gear. In the current edition of Stereophile, there are extensive write-ups of less expensive gear from Laiv, Hifi Rose, Wattson and Onkyo. As you climb the price ladder, I think you generally get better performance, but the higher you go you pay dearly for pretty small returns, at least that's how it seems to me. Where the sweet spot lies depends on means and priorities. The good news is you can create a really good audio experience for probably ten grand or less.

In the case of Wadax, it seems likely that when they developed the no holds barred six figure machines they knew there would be only a small number of buyers. They likely also knew they could deploy that technology in the Studio Player line and leverage those efforts into higher volume products, and that's a good thing. Forty grand is a stiff price for sure and I have no idea how much profit is in those machines. I can't help but think, however, that if it gets you 90-95% to the big rig, a lot of folks in this hobby will see it as very expensive in absolute terms, but a value for what they are trying to accomplish.
I agree for the most part. I do believe that the effort to get more people involved will benefit everyone in our hobby. I am not against making the ultra-high end products, I just believe that the emphasis on these products has become far too great and is damaging our hobby making those that may want to jump in a heck of a lot more scared to make the plunge so to speak. Back when I managed a few stores it did not seem so formidable to jump in
 
Look the scene has changed, I agree. Dealers , like me, used o carry a wide variety of goods in all prices, thats gone now. Its amazon, ebay and even most of the big box guys dont carry much anymore. Do I like it? hell no can I change it? hell no again. I bought my house and lots of other things and made a living selling Pioneer, Yamaha, POlk , Paradigm etc in the past . Today is a whole different world
 
Ill ask to get someone to give one to MEP and but I know they are going to ask "who" LMAO

I would gladly review Wadax gear if the opportunity presented itself, but it would be promptly returned after my normal 3 months with it in my system. For the reasons I outlined before, I have no desire to have gear on a long-term loan.

And by the way, I don't take any offense to your statement that "they" would ask who MEP is. If you're an audio company that is sending out expensive gear to be reviewed by a reviewer that's not familiar to you, you should be asking questions.
 
For luxury items, the cost of developing and manufacturing them has little connection to the sale price.

There is a demand for these products. Yes, even $1MM speakers.

Sooo, some have the brand and market position to develop products for that market segment.

I don’t understand the rant. Buy it, don’t buy it. But don’t whine that these products are available because you cannot afford them.
 
I would gladly review Wadax gear if the opportunity presented itself, but it would be promptly returned after my normal 3 months with it in my system. For the reasons I outlined before, I have no desire to have gear on a long-term loan.

And by the way, I don't take any offense to your statement that "they" would ask who MEP is. If you're an audio company that is sending out expensive gear to be reviewed by a reviewer that's not familiar to you, you should be asking questions.

I’m curious, do you ever get a piece to review you really don’t want to or don’t care about and the entire review seems like a chore?
 
For luxury items, the cost of developing and manufacturing them has little connection to the sale price.

There is a demand for these products. Yes, even $1MM speakers.

Sooo, some have the brand and market position to develop products for that market segment.

I don’t understand the rant. Buy it, don’t buy it. But don’t whine that these products are available because you cannot afford them.
You missed the entire point. I have no issue with manufactures creating these types of products. I believe I actually mention this a few times. I simply believe the emphasis of this type of product is not doing our hobby any favors.
 
You missed the entire point. I have no issue with manufactures creating these types of products. I believe I actually mention this a few times. I simply believe the emphasis of this type of product is not doing our hobby any favors.

I think in addition to this just as much damage is being done on the YouTubers "racing downhill".

They are the people who started their careers talking high end gear and now in their race to chase subscribers do videos like "this $300 DAC kills $20,000 DAC's" and stuff like that.

They falsely claim that $300 is all anyone needs and anything more expensive is snake oil.

To be fair there is decent cheap stuff out there. And for sure not everyone needs expensive gear.

But I think more damage is being done to the industry by feeding the false populist sheeple narrative that $5K gear is overpriced and a ripoff and doesn't sound any better than the cheap chi-fi stuff than the relatively small number of ultra expensive gear.

Looking at the FLAE there was far more mid priced gear than ultra expensive gear. I think people simply like to focus and obsess about it on forums and mags more than the actual market bares.

My concern is the selling out of higher end and truly fantastic gear in the $5K-$25K range by those proclaiming $300 chi-fi is "just as good or better". They are raising a generate of audio people to believe it's all snake oil and worthless.

THAT to me is the real harm being done than a handful of ultra-expensive gear.

I'm not dismissing your concerns nor saying it's not a factor as well - I just think it's on a much smaller scale than the reverse.

I believe that is going to kill the fantastic mid-priced gear makers more than the terrible sounding overpriced Borresen gear (in addition to the handful of total forum nitwits who ruin it for just about everyone - it's the same people on all the forums).
 
You missed the entire point. I have no issue with manufactures creating these types of products. I believe I actually mention this a few times. I simply believe the emphasis of this type of product is not doing our hobby any favors.
There’s only an emphasis on the upper crust because there are apparently customers buying there. In addition, us low end guys like reading about the upper crust. I will always read an article on a new Ferrari or Porsche even though there is close to zero chance I will ever spend the money they require.

I think you also hammered the cost to manufacture to sale price angle. That is irrelevant when it comes to luxury products. How much do you think it costs to manufacture an $800 Hermes scarf!

I say bring ‘em on. I am not buying them but I like reading about them.
 
I think in addition to this just as much damage is being done on the YouTubers "racing downhill".

They are the people who started their careers talking high end gear and now in their race to chase subscribers do videos like "this $300 DAC kills $20,000 DAC's" and stuff like that.

They falsely claim that $300 is all anyone needs and anything more expensive is snake oil.

To be fair there is decent cheap stuff out there. And for sure not everyone needs expensive gear.

But I think more damage is being done to the industry by feeding the false populist sheeple narrative that $5K gear is overpriced and a ripoff and doesn't sound any better than the cheap chi-fi stuff than the relatively small number of ultra expensive gear.

Looking at the FLAE there was far more mid priced gear than ultra expensive gear. I think people simply like to focus and obsess about it on forums and mags more than the actual market bares.

My concern is the selling out of higher end and truly fantastic gear in the $5K-$25K range by those proclaiming $300 chi-fi is "just as good or better". They are raising a generate of audio people to believe it's all snake oil and worthless.

THAT to me is the real harm being done than a handful of ultra-expensive gear.

I'm not dismissing your concerns nor saying it's not a factor as well - I just think it's on a much smaller scale than the reverse.

I believe that is going to kill the fantastic mid-priced gear makers more than the terrible sounding overpriced Borresen gear (in addition to the handful of total forum nitwits who ruin it for just about everyone - it's the same people on all the forums).
I do not disagree. One thing that comes to mind is those that follow that type of folks usually already believe it.

I also have never seen references to those type of posts in audio mags and honestly have never stumbled on them on the Internet. Maybe because I ignore teally stupid forums and posts :).
 
It's impossible to miss - people like AR and a bevy of just about every other video all has headlines proclaiming it.

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I certainly am not saying they are not out there. I truly have never watched or read a single one. I guess the sources I look at and read do not show this type of material. In normal browsing I never stumble on it which leaves me to believe it is not that prevalent. Then again, I have not gotten involved in it, so I am not on their radar so to speak.
 
I certainly am not saying they are not out there. I truly have never watched or read a single one. I guess the sources I look at and read do not show this type of material. In normal browsing I never stumble on it which leaves me to believe it is not that prevalent. Then again, I have not gotten involved in it, so I am not on their radar so to speak.
Hi Randy - for sure it only feeds you stuff it thinks is relevant.

I wasn't suggesting that you missed it, only that is it is a pervasive sheeple-mantra of many that in audio anything over a few hundreds dollars is over priced snake oil.

We see similar actions constantly attacking the pricing of gear all the time on forums and Facebook whining about prices of gear they'd never buy picking arbitrary numbers out of thin air on what they think gear should cost. They all seem to be arm chair quarterbacks of what they in their infinite keyboard-commando wisdom "know" things should cost.

Unfortunately the current generation has zero thinking capability outside what they've been indoctrinated with - and that seems to be that the only "expensive" things they don't question are $14 Starbucks drinks and $2,000 iPhones. Evertying else is "evil corporate greed".

This I fear will lead to the shrinking of anything outside of made-with-slave-labor chifi crap that costs only a couple of hundreds dollars.

Think about it - if it sells for $300 from China after shipping, manufacturing, tariffs, distributor costs, parts costs and more, I bet the actual parts cost is $20.

People get all bent out of shape about what they think things should cost while forgetting the most basic rule: if it is really overpriced in the market then they will have to lower the price or go out of business. It's really that simple.

If neither happens (which means there is NOT a pricing issue), then it's just people whining about the price of something they'd never buy.

Again - not aimed at you but the average person whining about prices and snake oil.
 
People get all bent out of shape about what they think things should cost while forgetting the most basic rule: if it is really overpriced in the market then they will have to lower the price or go out of business. It's really that simple.
Yes - this.

And in the luxury market, costs to manufacture have little to do with the sales price. The competition and consumer will set the price.
 
There are YouTubers who have built very big channels selling the notion that a $500 component is every bit as capable as one costing many times more and that those who spend more are fools. To be fair, some of that goes on at the higher in too-you can get blacker backgrounds, inner detail, wider soundstage if you shell out 500 bucks to get your cables 2 inches off the floor (no hit on those who want to lift their cable, but it can be done for next to nothing).

This stuff works because there is always a booming market for telling people what they really, really want to believe and it has been forever thus. Fox News and MSNBC exist by manipulating their reporting to reinforce the preconceived notions of the target audience. Same stuff, different targets. Cheapaudioman has built a YouTube channel with nearly half a million subscribers using the same basic approach. It works.
 
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