Uptone EtherREGEN released Oct 8th

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Last week, Uptone Audio released their newest product, the EtherREGEN, a ground-up designed audiophile-grade Ethernet switch that has been in development for over 18 months.

When sales went live October 8th, the first 155 domestically avaiable units were sold in...3 minutes. The second run of ~200 sold out in less in another 45 minutes or so. Those that were able to get into the first group will receive their EtherREGENS around 10 November or so.

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From Uptone:

Other “audiophile” Ethernet switches are mostly either just clock and power supply modifications of cheap off-the-shelf switches, or passive magnetics augmented with passive filter parts and a single fancy clock board.

EtherREGEN is an all-new, from the ground-up design, built on a costly 6-layer circuit board, and its components and topology are unmatched by any other Ethernet switch.

The heart of what makes our switch so unusual is the use of ACTIVE, HIGH-SPEED, LOW-JITTER DIFFERENTIAL DIGITAL ISOLATOR chips combined with ULTRA-LOW JITTER DIFFERENTIAL RE-CLOCKING FLIP-FLOPS. No other Ethernet switch on the market attempts this (doing this, and doing it correctly is neither easy nor cheap!). On the circuit board photos you can see the isolators set across the wide “moat.”


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More information:
On the ‘A’-side, there are 4 Gigabit copper Ethernet ports, plus an SFP cage for a Gigabit LC optical module. A typical user will attach a cable from their main network router or switch, and if desired any NAS (network attached storage) or other devices.

Across the “moat” at the other end of the EtherREGEN is a lone 100Mbps copper Ethernet port. This is referred to as the ‘B’-side port. It is to this port that the user will attach whatever is their one computer/streamer/bridge/renderer endpoint—the component that is directly connected to the DAC (this includes the increasing number of DACs which themselves have an Ethernet input).

So why does this arrangement matter? From Uptone:

There are two types of sound-degrading influences the EtherREGEN is designed to radically decrease: Leakage—both high-impedance and low-impedance—and clock phase-noise. The clock phase-noise travels on the Ethernet signal itself and travels on power and ground planes. [Every edge coming out of any digital device caries the jitter/phase-noise of the clock used to "clock out" that edge, this shows up on the ground-plane and affects the threshold of chips’ clock inputs. This is an oversimplification of a complex subject; we intend to publish a short white paper and measurements to demonstrate this.]

The circuitry across the moat is designed to eliminate the signal-borne phase-noise from one side to the other. EtherREGEN is mostly symmetrical—there is no “dirty side” or “clean side.” While it works identically in both directions, it is best to have the DAC-attached Ethernet endpoint device (computer/streamer/etc.) alone on one side—typically the ‘B’ side.

The circuitry between ports on the ‘A’ side decreases some phase-noise effects to some degree, but not nearly as much as crossing the ‘A’>’B’ moat.

The COMBINATION of the differential isolators and the differential flip-flops is what delivers the unrivaled performance of the EtherREGEN. The differential isolators prevent the data-borne clock signature from getting onto the PCB ground-plane, while the differential flip-flops prevent the signature from getting into the flip-flop’s own internal ground network. It takes both to accomplish the great feats of the EtherREGEN.


Some key technical features from Uptone's web page:

  • EtherREGEN has two entirely isolated data/power/clock domains. And on each side of the isolators we re-clock with 10GHz-capable ultra-low-jitter (less than 0.8 picoseconds) differential flip-flops.
  • Importantly, all clocking lines (for the switch chip, the special Ethernet format conversion chips, and the high-speed flip-flops) are carefully run as differential lines—converted to single-ended clocks with special buffers just millimeters from those chips which require SE clocks.
  • The clocking system runs from a special programmable, jitter-attenuating four-output clock synthesizer, referenced to an ultra-low-jitter/phase-noise Crystek CCHD-575 XO.
  • Even the magnetics of the 4 Gigabit ‘A’-side ports are special.
  • We chose a module which utilizes 12 transformer cores in each port (most Ethernet ports have 2-6 cores), and ground their center-taps through capacitors in a way that blocks port-to-port AC leakage.

    EtherREGEN%20B%20Side.jpg

  • To support its performance, the power networks of the EtherREGEN are as sophisticated and costly as the rest of the design. We use 12 of the world’s lowest-noise, lowest impedance integrated voltage regulators—the famous Linear Technology LT3045 and LT3042. Supporting both the voltage regulators and the data chips are 195 pieces of low-inductance, X7R and X5R capacitors sized and selected by their derating curves.

EtherREGEN_PCB_web.jpg


I ordered mine at 9:03 AM on Oct. 8, so I got into the 2nd group and will receive my EtherREGEN some time around Dec. 10th. Price is only $640, which is considerably less expensive than the AQVOX and SOtM Ethernet audiophile-grade Ethernet switches.

If you use an Ethernet switch in your digital front-end, and are interested in getting an EtherREGEN, I recommend you place an order immediately. If you're lucky, you may get into the January 2020 production shipment.

My expectation is EtherREGEN will be the best-sounding Ethernet switch on the market given its BOM and the technical & domain expertise that went into its design by John Swenson.
 
Additional engineering information from Uptone:


A note about our inclusion of an SFP cage:

Use of optical into—or out of—EtherREGEN is not required to obtain best performance. The whole point of all the isolation and re-clocking techniques we are using (in dual domains) is to make most all of the upstream stuff not matter. Other than the complete galvanic isolation that optical offers going into the EtherREGEN (which we duplicate going across the moat), there is no advantage to running optical into it.

If you happen to have a router with an optical port and have already run many feet of optical cable to your music system rack, then sure, use the optical port of the EtherREGEN. But don't go out of your way to run optical if you do not already have it. And of course for the few people who have an endpoint with optical input (the excellent Sonore opticalRendu comes to mind), one can “turn around” the EtherREGEN and feed that DAC-connected endpoint from the optical cage.

Only Gigabit LC interface modules are compatible with the SFP cage of the EtherREGEN. They can be SX Multimode or LX Singlemode, as long as they match what is used at the other end of the optical cable.

Extreme usage with an External Reference Clock:

The Crystek CCHD-575 XO used in the EtherREGEN is about the lowest phase-noise production XO available. [Sorry, but the $50~$100 OCXOs we see tossed into stock switches do not outperform the Crystek at low-offsets where it counts; Manufacturers have to spend $500 and up to obtain OCXO clocks with significantly lower phase-noise than the Crystek we use.]

Yet some audiophiles have discovered benefits using expensive ultra-low-jitter/low-phase-noise 10MHz reference clocks with their DACs or USB streamers and conditioners. A clock synthesizer (to generate the various frequencies) is always required for a device to accept an external reference clock. Since we already utilize a very advanced one to produce the 4 clock lines in the EtherREGEN, it was easy for us to include provision for connection of an external 10MHz clock. The BNC jack and termination resistor of the EtherREGEN are for a 75ohm clock line.
 
Last week, Uptone Audio released their newest product, the EtherREGEN, a ground-up designed audiophile-grade Ethernet switch that has been in development for over 18 months.

When sales went live October 8th, the first 155 domestically avaiable units were sold in...3 minutes. The second run of ~200 sold out in less in another 45 minutes or so. Those that were able to get into the first group will receive their EtherREGENS around 10 November or so.

EtherREGEN%20A%20Side.jpg


From Uptone:

Other “audiophile” Ethernet switches are mostly either just clock and power supply modifications of cheap off-the-shelf switches, or passive magnetics augmented with passive filter parts and a single fancy clock board.

EtherREGEN is an all-new, from the ground-up design, built on a costly 6-layer circuit board, and its components and topology are unmatched by any other Ethernet switch.

The heart of what makes our switch so unusual is the use of ACTIVE, HIGH-SPEED, LOW-JITTER DIFFERENTIAL DIGITAL ISOLATOR chips combined with ULTRA-LOW JITTER DIFFERENTIAL RE-CLOCKING FLIP-FLOPS. No other Ethernet switch on the market attempts this (doing this, and doing it correctly is neither easy nor cheap!). On the circuit board photos you can see the isolators set across the wide “moat.”


EtherREGEN_Tech.Highlights_web.jpg


More information:
On the ‘A’-side, there are 4 Gigabit copper Ethernet ports, plus an SFP cage for a Gigabit LC optical module. A typical user will attach a cable from their main network router or switch, and if desired any NAS (network attached storage) or other devices.

Across the “moat” at the other end of the EtherREGEN is a lone 100Mbps copper Ethernet port. This is referred to as the ‘B’-side port. It is to this port that the user will attach whatever is their one computer/streamer/bridge/renderer endpoint—the component that is directly connected to the DAC (this includes the increasing number of DACs which themselves have an Ethernet input).

So why does this arrangement matter? From Uptone:

There are two types of sound-degrading influences the EtherREGEN is designed to radically decrease: Leakage—both high-impedance and low-impedance—and clock phase-noise. The clock phase-noise travels on the Ethernet signal itself and travels on power and ground planes. [Every edge coming out of any digital device caries the jitter/phase-noise of the clock used to "clock out" that edge, this shows up on the ground-plane and affects the threshold of chips’ clock inputs. This is an oversimplification of a complex subject; we intend to publish a short white paper and measurements to demonstrate this.]

The circuitry across the moat is designed to eliminate the signal-borne phase-noise from one side to the other. EtherREGEN is mostly symmetrical—there is no “dirty side” or “clean side.” While it works identically in both directions, it is best to have the DAC-attached Ethernet endpoint device (computer/streamer/etc.) alone on one side—typically the ‘B’ side.

The circuitry between ports on the ‘A’ side decreases some phase-noise effects to some degree, but not nearly as much as crossing the ‘A’>’B’ moat.

The COMBINATION of the differential isolators and the differential flip-flops is what delivers the unrivaled performance of the EtherREGEN. The differential isolators prevent the data-borne clock signature from getting onto the PCB ground-plane, while the differential flip-flops prevent the signature from getting into the flip-flop’s own internal ground network. It takes both to accomplish the great feats of the EtherREGEN.


Some key technical features from Uptone's web page:

  • EtherREGEN has two entirely isolated data/power/clock domains. And on each side of the isolators we re-clock with 10GHz-capable ultra-low-jitter (less than 0.8 picoseconds) differential flip-flops.
  • Importantly, all clocking lines (for the switch chip, the special Ethernet format conversion chips, and the high-speed flip-flops) are carefully run as differential lines—converted to single-ended clocks with special buffers just millimeters from those chips which require SE clocks.
  • The clocking system runs from a special programmable, jitter-attenuating four-output clock synthesizer, referenced to an ultra-low-jitter/phase-noise Crystek CCHD-575 XO.
  • Even the magnetics of the 4 Gigabit ‘A’-side ports are special.
  • We chose a module which utilizes 12 transformer cores in each port (most Ethernet ports have 2-6 cores), and ground their center-taps through capacitors in a way that blocks port-to-port AC leakage.

    EtherREGEN%20B%20Side.jpg

  • To support its performance, the power networks of the EtherREGEN are as sophisticated and costly as the rest of the design. We use 12 of the world’s lowest-noise, lowest impedance integrated voltage regulators—the famous Linear Technology LT3045 and LT3042. Supporting both the voltage regulators and the data chips are 195 pieces of low-inductance, X7R and X5R capacitors sized and selected by their derating curves.

EtherREGEN_PCB_web.jpg


I ordered mine at 9:03 AM on Oct. 8, so I got into the 2nd group and will receive my EtherREGEN some time around Dec. 10th. Price is only $640, which is considerably less expensive than the AQVOX and SOtM Ethernet audiophile-grade Ethernet switches.

If you use an Ethernet switch in your digital front-end, and are interested in getting an EtherREGEN, I recommend you place an order immediately. If you're lucky, you may get into the January 2020 production shipment.

My expectation is EtherREGEN will be the best-sounding Ethernet switch on the market given its BOM and the technical & domain expertise that went into its design by John Swenson.

I procrastinated and ordered out of curiosity thinking their approach is solid. Stephen and I have wrote different threads on the importance of putting low cost effort into maximizing sound quality.

Guys that hope their reference systems can bring the best of streaming and not address their digital front end are leaving some serious sound quality on the table!

My delivery is slated sometime January, and in the interim I’m extremely happy with my sound believing it’s tough to beat not because of the system but rather the effort and I finally should be spinning vinyl in a couple of weeks [emoji1317]


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Waiting for mine for the second production batch in December.
It has really been a long wait since Alex Crespi first reported that they were working on this product, and that was March 22, 2018.
I have strong hopes that it will be much better than my Aqvox Switch.
 
Out of curiosity, I ordered one after seeing this thread. Mine belongs to January batch.

I do have a Gigafoil, so I will try with and without Gigafoil when it arrives.
 
Also looking much forward to this switch. I ordered from vortex box UK and should be in first row with delivery in Nov :)
 
I received the etherREGEN yesterday after receiving shipping notice the day before.

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Build quality is superb for a switch, and I like the fact it is purpose built!

It’s recommend by UpTone to install this unit before the component using the shortest cable and the cable doesn’t need to be a crazy audiophile grade and for power it is recommend by UpTones to use their power supply which is claimed to be more than sufficient.

So how did it fit into my system where I spent time and money to produce some serious digital? Not as good as I hoped, but it’s not a deal killer and I’ll tell you why in a minute, but before I do I highly recommend this switch if your not already using an audiophile grade quality switch, and use their return policy if your not satisfied.

My first place to try this was in place of my Gigafoil V4, powered with Ghent Gotham cable from a Keces P3 power supply. Audioquest is run from the Gigafoil to an Aurender N10.

I played what I consider a reference album as it has it all; voice, cello, bass, piano and snare.

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Each category the tones fell without timbre, without decay, without substance. I pulled the switch after a few listens knowing it was not doing justice.

I decided to try this in place of my AQVox SE that is 45 feet away connected with a Belkin shield cable made by Ghent. The AQVox is fed with AudioQuest Diamond Ethernet cables, that surpassed the Nordost Heimdall 2’s. The switch is grounded using 6 AWG copper to the cold water pipe. Modem is powered with a Keces P8 again using Gotham cables by Ghent, isolation by Stillpoints Ultra SS sitting on an Adona platform.

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Result? Harmonics were back but just under the AQVox SE.

In all fairness the UpTone switch was not powered with the Keces P8 nor was it grounded. However, UpTone indicated not to use anything before it’s etherREGEN and in this method the Gigafoil was now being fed.

I pulled this trial but will revert back to this setup using the Keces and grounding and give it 160 hours of break in which will be under a weeks time, then keep everyone updated.

In the interim, if one wants to stream and playback digital I highly recommend you address the detail that will bring the most from your system. The same rules apply; power, isolation and cables, and yes Ethernet cables do matter, it’s obvious.

Happy listening!




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So you prefer the AQVox SE switch to the Uptone EtherREGEN? Did you compare with and without the GigafoilV4 Filter and was the result the same under both scenarios?

Thanks,
Ken
 
I received the etherREGEN yesterday after receiving shipping notice the day before.

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Build quality is superb for a switch, and I like the fact it is purpose built!

It’s recommend by UpTone to install this unit before the component using the shortest cable and the cable doesn’t need to be a crazy audiophile grade and for power it is recommend by UpTones to use their power supply which is claimed to be more than sufficient.

So how did it fit into my system where I spent time and money to produce some serious digital? Not as good as I hoped, but it’s not a deal killer and I’ll tell you why in a minute, but before I do I highly recommend this switch if your not already using an audiophile grade quality switch, and use their return policy if your not satisfied.

My first place to try this was in place of my Gigafoil V4, powered with Ghent Gotham cable from a Keces P3 power supply. Audioquest is run from the Gigafoil to an Aurender N10.

I played what I consider a reference album as it has it all; voice, cello, bass, piano and snare.

5d042d6365088777d9c436bcd841b12a.jpg


Each category the tones fell without timbre, without decay, without substance. I pulled the switch after a few listens knowing it was not doing justice.

I decided to try this in place of my AQVox SE that is 45 feet away connected with a Belkin shield cable made by Ghent. The AQVox is fed with AudioQuest Diamond Ethernet cables, that surpassed the Nordost Heimdall 2’s. The switch is grounded using 6 AWG copper to the cold water pipe. Modem is powered with a Keces P8 again using Gotham cables by Ghent, isolation by Stillpoints Ultra SS sitting on an Adona platform.

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Result? Harmonics were back but just under the AQVox SE.

In all fairness the UpTone switch was not powered with the Keces P8 nor was it grounded. However, UpTone indicated not to use anything before it’s etherREGEN and in this method the Gigafoil was now being fed.

I pulled this trial but will revert back to this setup using the Keces and grounding and give it 160 hours of break in which will be under a weeks time, then keep everyone updated.

In the interim, if one wants to stream and playback digital I highly recommend you address the detail that will bring the most from your system. The same rules apply; power, isolation and cables, and yes Ethernet cables do matter, it’s obvious.

Happy listening!




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Nice digital front end.
Thk you for your indights, cause i have this switch upgrade on my shortlist.
Your choice of the p8 is a killer, i own one p8 single output 19v/8a powering my server, and another one p8 12v/8a is in route to power cpu of the server seperately.
We, a group of friends, made a comparaison of 3 servers/ streamers lately, dcs nb, n10, and my own streamer, very interesting!
If you want to know more, pm me.
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So you prefer the AQVox SE switch to the Uptone EtherREGEN? Did you compare with and without the GigafoilV4 Filter and was the result the same under both scenarios?

Thanks,
Ken

Hi Ken,

Right now the configurement as described above does tilt towards the AQVox SE.

Grounding the AQVox with 6 AWG Copper to the cold water pipe paid very noticeable dividends - the advantage I have here is all this is housed in the mechanical room of the house that is 45’ from the music room and on its own dedicated circuit.

Yes, the first try was in place of the Gigafoil and the second without. It was very obvious that Gigafoils optical filter does it job and very, very well mind you but does incorporate the benefit of cables and power supplies and even sits atop Stillpoint Ultra Minis but not sure if the S/Points help or not.

I stress all ancillary pieces as how it’s configured in the setup makes a huge difference supported by continuous testing. and you need to incorporate this in part or as a hole to get maximum benefit.

It will be interesting to see how it behaves powered with the Keces P8 and grounded, and here is where I will think it will outperform the AQVox SE and will try it again with and without the Gigafoil.

Both are no slouch, and if I we’re to start over I would begin with the UpTone as it’s purpose built, and I believe slight less in cost, just not sure yet if you can get away from Gigafoil or similar optical and your in it with cables regardless - stay tuned!




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...In all fairness the UpTone switch was not powered with the Keces P8 nor was it grounded. However, UpTone indicated not to use anything before it’s etherREGEN and in this method the Gigafoil was now being fed.

I pulled this trial but will revert back to this setup using the Keces and grounding and give it 160 hours of break in which will be under a weeks time, then keep everyone updated.

In the interim, if one wants to stream and playback digital I highly recommend you address the detail that will bring the most from your system. The same rules apply; power, isolation and cables, and yes Ethernet cables do matter, it’s obvious.

Happy listening!




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Thanks for your report. I have not yet read a review where the listener was satisfied without using a power supply on the Etherregen (or any other switch, for that matter). I'll be interested in your findings running the Etherregen with a power supply. By the way, I don't mean to get the thread sidetracked, but have you tried power supplies other than Keces?
 
Mine also arrived 2 days ago. It replaces my Airport Express and it’s being used in conjunction with Gigafoil as follows:

Modem/router > ER via port B (powered by Teddy Pardo 12v LPS) > AQ Vodka > Gigafoil (powered by Keces LPS) > AQ Diamond > MSB DAC

I’ve always used Teddy Pardo with my Airport Express and the only change that is being made is ER replacing AE.

I find it to be a positive addition after some break-in (right out of the box cold not so much). I’ve probably logged about 30-35 hours. Music has more weight, focus and clarity. Obviously you can’t expect the change to be on par with speakers or amp change, but the improvement I hear is not insignificant. For the price I paid for ER, god knows I have paid more for less in the past. Probably more than once or twice. [emoji38]

I also connect my AppleTV to ER via one of the port A’s and noticed some visual improvement on the OLED screen as well, especially when streaming 4K content from AppleTV.
 
Thanks for your report. I have not yet read a review where the listener was satisfied without using a power supply on the Etherregen (or any other switch, for that matter). I'll be interested in your findings running the Etherregen with a power supply. By the way, I don't mean to get the thread sidetracked, but have you tried power supplies other than Keces?

No problem.

You and me both on what findings will reveal.

Only have ran the Keces, and have one other I’m drawing a blank on, not as robust as Keces.


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Mine also arrived 2 days ago. It replaces my Airport Express and it’s being used in conjunction with Gigafoil as follows:

Modem/router > ER via port B (powered by Teddy Pardo 12v LPS) > AQ Vodka > Gigafoil (powered by Keces LPS) > AQ Diamond > MSB DAC

I’ve always used Teddy Pardo with my Airport Express and the only change that is being made is ER replacing AE.

I find it to be a positive addition after some break-in (right out of the box cold not so much). I’ve probably logged about 30-35 hours. Music has more weight, focus and clarity. Obviously you can’t expect the change to be on par with speakers or amp change, but the improvement I hear is not insignificant. For the price I paid for ER, god knows I have paid more for less in the past. Probably more than once or twice. [emoji38]

I also connect my AppleTV to ER via one of the port A’s and noticed some visual improvement on the OLED screen as well, especially when streaming 4K content from AppleTV.

Without even hearing it, that replacement should be significant. Yes these audio grade switches do add visual improvement to video.


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If the AQVox SE (without GigaFoil) is really better than EtherREGEN, that would indicate that AQVox SE is MUCH BETTER than AQVox, because in my case the replacement of AQVox by EtherREGEN has made a great leap in the naturalness of music and lack of digital stress
 
If the AQVox SE (without GigaFoil) is really better than EtherREGEN, that would indicate that AQVox SE is MUCH BETTER than AQVox, because in my case the replacement of AQVox by EtherREGEN has made a great leap in the naturalness of music and lack of digital stress

Is your AQVox on a linear PS?
 
Mine also arrived 2 days ago. It replaces my Airport Express and it’s being used in conjunction with Gigafoil as follows:

Modem/router > ER via port B (powered by Teddy Pardo 12v LPS) > AQ Vodka > Gigafoil (powered by Keces LPS) > AQ Diamond > MSB DAC

I’ve always used Teddy Pardo with my Airport Express and the only change that is being made is ER replacing AE.

I find it to be a positive addition after some break-in (right out of the box cold not so much). I’ve probably logged about 30-35 hours. Music has more weight, focus and clarity. Obviously you can’t expect the change to be on par with speakers or amp change, but the improvement I hear is not insignificant. For the price I paid for ER, god knows I have paid more for less in the past. Probably more than once or twice. [emoji38]

I also connect my AppleTV to ER via one of the port A’s and noticed some visual improvement on the OLED screen as well, especially when streaming 4K content from AppleTV.

It seems to continue to improve as of this morning. At this point, ER isn’t going back when 30-day trial period ends.
 
It seems to continue to improve as of this morning. At this point, ER isn’t going back when 30-day trial period ends.

I set the Aurender to load all streaming selections on continuous, and will let this play out for 160 hours - it appears to be sounding better today, but will really compare this midweek in the setup with 45’ of cable before Gigafoil

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I set the Aurender to load all streaming selections on continuous, and will let this play out for 160 hours - it appears to be sounding better today, but will really compare this midweek in the setup with 45’ of cable before Gigafoil

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I don't know Ed. Big slab of Granite. Stillpoints. Keces power supply. Are you sure you have your digital backbone up to snuff.
 
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