Top brands that have no respect

I think Rockport has a lot of respect. The fact that they have very few dealers is a reflection of Andy Payor's choice of having a very small number of dealers, not a reflection of how many dealers would like to carry Rockports. At their production levels and prices, Andy can be very choosy when picking dealers.

Larry
 
I think Rockport has a lot of respect. The fact that they have very few dealers is a reflection of Andy Payor's choice of having a very small number of dealers, not a reflection of how many dealers would like to carry Rockports. At their production levels and prices, Andy can be very choosy when picking dealers.

Larry

Agree. I think Andy decides to limit number of dealers he would like to work with. Rockport popularity goes neck to neck with other brands like, Wilson, Magico, Focal, Sonus faber. At one point Goodwind's high end mentioned how Magico and Rockport popularity surpass Avalon in their store.
 
Hi

You guys might just fall of your chairs at the following, but I am very impressed when using the Yamaha CDS3000 Dac with my ARC equipment.

To my ears, excellent value for money.

Regards

Jozua
 
I think Rockport has a lot of respect. The fact that they have very few dealers is a reflection of Andy Payor's choice of having a very small number of dealers, not a reflection of how many dealers would like to carry Rockports. At their production levels and prices, Andy can be very choosy when picking dealers.

Larry

Indeed. His theory is basically “one per state”. As a dealer, if you already have a Rockport dealer in your state, you’re SOL. I can respect that. His production capabilities are small and if he doubled or tripled his dealers, he couldn’t necessarily keep up. This is not uncommon among those companies happy to produce X in a given year rather than keep growing. I’m also not sure how the health issues play into things either. Either way, they are definitely another top American made speaker.
 
One I've owned: Aerial Acoustics
Another one: Sony
I think what they have in common is that neither seems to be able to decide: in or out?
 
You guys might just fall of your chairs at the following, but I am very impressed when using the Yamaha CDS3000 Dac with my ARC equipment.
The worlds largest manufacturer of musical instruments, with nearly 100 years of making audio components, knows how to make a CD player?
 
One I've owned: Aerial Acoustics
Another one: Sony
I think what they have in common is that neither seems to be able to decide: in or out?

Before I bought my Magico S5, the Aerial Acoustics 7T were my stereo speakers. Now they are the front speakers in my HT/spare stereo system. Good speakers for sure.
 
What about Gamut? I thought of them as they are another that prefers limited dealers, especially in the U.S.

It's difficult for what I call mass market brands like Sony or Yamaha to get respect as high end, regardless of if the performance is. I feel it does help when they market those brands under another label, like Sony does with ES. Or, Marantz does with Reference.
 
Your title is better than "Top brands that deserve no respect"

But at first, in all honesty, I was thinking that was your title/ question instead of yours. That was a "me bad" moment.
 
What about Gamut? I thought of them as they are another that prefers limited dealers, especially in the U.S.

It's difficult for what I call mass market brands like Sony or Yamaha to get respect as high end, regardless of if the performance is. I feel it does help when they market those brands under another label, like Sony does with ES. Or, Marantz does with Reference.

I think the Gamut designer is busy with Raidho. His first design out of the gate sounded quite good.
 
The worlds largest manufacturer of musical instruments, with nearly 100 years of making audio components, knows how to make a CD player?

Yamaha is also a long time musical instrument manufacture... since 1887 I think if I recall correct. Their logo is actually three tuning forks :)... Nothing but respect for Yamaha!
 
Another excellent performing manufacturer that doesn't garner a great deal of attention is PrimaLuna. Their PrimaLuna DiaLogue Premium HP integrated amplifier is a remarkable audio component at an amazingly sensible price.

https://www.primaluna-usa.com/dialogue-premium-hp-integrated
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+1 for PrimaLuna. Not only do they make good amps, they recently released a new tube DAC that is quite good.
 
+2 for primaluna. It deserves more attention. Also i forgot to mention BAT (Balanced Audio Technology).
 
I wouldn’t say the following brands have no respect but rather are underrated relative to the attention they receive here in the U.S.:

Tidal- It perplexes me that some in the market for Wilson or Magico don’t consider these outstanding speakers despite nothing but rave consumer and professional reviews. Their amps and preamps are also top-notch.

Simaudio- All they do is make excellent products.

Joseph- As has been mentioned several times already, simply great speakers.

(Special Mention)
Cary- I wouldn’t necessarily call them underrated, but it does seem that they get left out of the discussion more often than they should be.

Parasound- Some audiophiles just don’t know how good their Halo products are.
 
I wouldn’t say the following brands have no respect but rather are underrated relative to the attention they receive here in the U.S.:

Tidal- It perplexes me that some in the market for Wilson or Magico don’t consider these outstanding speakers despite nothing but rave consumer and professional reviews. Their amps and preamps are also top-notch.

Simaudio- All they do is make excellent products.

Joseph- As has been mentioned several times already, simply great speakers.

(Special Mention)
Cary- I wouldn’t necessarily call them underrated, but it does seem that they get left out of the discussion more often than they should be.

Parasound- Some audiophiles just don’t know how good their Halo products are.

Well said. I mention the JC-1’s to people and get the big poo-poo.

WRT Tidal, it’s just that they need dealers. Poor Doug can’t do it all. He is NOT the distributor. He is one dealer. Pretty much the only one. Great guy, but they need 12-15 dealers across the country, minimum. The problem is that as a dealer for us to invest ~$50-100k of our money, we have to have a reasonable level of confidence of ROI. I’ve had my fill of brands like Vandy, Verity, Vivid that are all great, but just didn’t move.

NOT related to any of the brands mentioned, keep in mind that they may not have great representation for other reasons. Dealers have to not only like your product, but like your team and get support. I’ve had a few brands where this was not the case and I no longer represent them and others I wouldn’t represent for those reasons mentioned. Dealers talk you know. [emoji6]. It’s a marriage.

We also have a mixture of manufacturer direct to dealer, distributors to dealers and the new flavor of the month “rep firms” to dealers. Rep firms are happy to sell SMART Thermostats, rock speakers, lighting products and oh yeah, some high end audio stuff. There are a couple of great distributors, but my favorite model is manufacturer direct to dealer. Much happier, much more efficient model and your mutual interests are aligned.

It’s complicated. This is a people business at the end of the day.


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