This should be fun to watch....

I really enjoyed Jeff's article. It was refreshingly honest. It will be interesting to see what his budget is for the new system. This will determine most of his component choices. I do wonder if there was some discontent with the uber expensive system he just sold. Is he looking for a system that provides him with more emotional engagement or is it truly just a scaling down price wise. This will be a major determining factor whether he sticks with the same brands or not.

I think it would be a lot more interesting if he purchases entirely different brands this time. I would expect this because having to downgrade a system with the same brands would be too much for most audiophiles to bear. I'm expecting a different path this time both sonically and brand wise.

Ken
 
Mike said:
Jeff tends to gravitate towards, what I call, "hi-fi sounds". Uber clean, extended, high resolution, uncolored sounds. I don't see a major change from that (for example, Harbeth with a tube amp!)

It would be fun if he did a complete and total departure from the past and did some Avantgarde Trio XD's with SET amps, but I just don't see it.

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I agree and rather than guess what brands he goes with it will be interesting to see what direction he goes. Is it an active system, a devialet system, a SET+horn, or push pull with tubes, planar, or will he just go lower down the price on a sound signature similar to what he had
 
Alpinist said:
I really enjoyed Jeff's article. It was refreshingly honest. It will be interesting to see what his budget is for the new system. This will determine most of his component choices. I do wonder if there was some discontent with the uber expensive system he just sold. Is he looking for a system that provides him with more emotional engagement or is it truly just a scaling down price wise. This will be a major determining factor whether he sticks with the same brands or not.

I think it would be a lot more interesting if he purchases entirely different brands this time. I would expect this because having to downgrade a system with the same brands would be too much for most audiophiles to bear. I'm expecting a different path this time both sonically and brand wise.

Ken
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I like where you're going Ken. And I think that might be the sensible option.

The question is where to go from Solution in terms of fast and ultra-detailed? It kind of only could be worse and that does not sound very compelling. Hence a sonic change might indeed be the more interesting option.

Maybe he was missing tube warmth and bloom and directness of horns after all [emoji3].


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There is something from the article that had me scratching my head: "The emphasis of my writing from now on will be on the best sound quality, not the most expensive gear."

I would be interested to get further explanation on this.

I had another thought: Revel Salon 2's and matching subs. But at nearly 12 years old, and a new model imminent, I guess that wouldn't make sense.

Jeff loved the Vivid G1 Spirit's and at a $93,000 MSRP, that's considerably less than his previous speakers.

I think if I was wagering, that would be my guess. Vivid G1 Spirits.

Electronics? Devialet perhaps. Gryphon stereo amp perhaps.
 
Mike said:
There is something from the article that had me scratching my head: "The emphasis of my writing from now on will be on the best sound quality, not the most expensive gear."
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I would really like for Jeff to focus on best sound quality, less the top price points. Would be very interesting and maybe a bit controversial at times. But definitively adding value to more people.

In comparison, the process of e.g. JV adding another 50K box to his half-a-million setup and saying that it sounds good mainly provokes a "duh" in my head.


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Jeff loved the Vivid G1 Spirit's and at a $93,000 MSRP, that's considerably less than his previous speakers.
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The Vivids are a great candidate for basically anyone, just not sure where he will draw the line with his newly found audiophile family orientation.


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The suggestion for an integrated, like the D'ag, seems reasonable to stay within budget while going for exceptional sound that might still fill the 'something is missing' criteria.
 
1. what does Jeff do for a living, to amass a $400,000 stereo?????

You guys here seem to know him and respect him. I trust you! this WILL be a good story to follow! I also have 2 children and family things to spend money on!

from my price point, I would like to hear about upgrading my $2,000 bowers-wilkins speakers! for $5,000, or $7,000, NOT NOT NOT $100,000. I readily admit I have NEVER heard a super stereo like that, but I DO regularly hear the Boston Symphony live and I know what classical music should sound like. I gotta believe you can really do well for ?????$10,000 to ???$20,000.

is a new Rolls Royce in Boston for $340,000 BETTER than my Infiniti Q50.???? yes, but HOW MUCH BETTER. I argued and got $9900 off the sticker price, from about $48,000 to about $38,000. I get about 25 mpg, car is new, may get better. 300 horsepower, more than I need, backup camera, twin turbo, direct injection. a fantastic car for the price. is the rolls ten times better?????????

it WILL be a great story to follow!

best regards,
Bob

these other numbers are just not reasonable.
 
Mike said:
There is something from the article that had me scratching my head: "The emphasis of my writing from now on will be on the best sound quality, not the most expensive gear."

I would be interested to get further explanation on this.

I had another thought: Revel Salon 2's and matching subs. But at nearly 12 years old, and a new model imminent, I guess that wouldn't make sense.

Jeff loved the Vivid G1 Spirit's and at a $93,000 MSRP, that's considerably less than his previous speakers.

I think if I was wagering, that would be my guess. Vivid G1 Spirits.

Electronics? Devialet perhaps. Gryphon stereo amp perhaps.
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I sent Jeff a note (published early March) in response to a question he asked Ultra readers as to what types of products they should review. My answer was as follows: "I’d advocate for extraordinary performance -- rather than price exclusivity -- being the primary criterion for selecting products for review."
 
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I sent Jeff a note (published early March) in response to a question he asked Ultra readers as to what types of products they should review. My answer was as follows: "I’d advocate for extraordinary performance -- rather than price exclusivity -- being the primary criterion for selecting products for review."
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I feel, it's important when attending shows to listen and force yourself not to ask the price. Price bias can definitely influence people - one way or the other.


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Part 2 is up:

http://www.soundstageultra.com/inde...46-jeffs-getting-a-new-stereo-system-part-two

It's fun to watch where Jeff is going. But I agree with his friend Randall in some respects. I think Jeff can do it short term (months, maybe even a couple of years), but over time, knowing there is better may eat away at you.

That being said, if Jeff is regularly reviewing $100k+ speakers and amps, then the desire for his own system to reach that level will be mitigated significantly. But if Jeff is comparing apples to apples, $10k speakers vs $10k speakers, it will be interesting to see if one can truly go back to driving a Civic after driving a Ferrari all these years.

Jeff mentions the new Paradigm speakers. I've heard those on a few occasions. Paradigm still hasn't licked that bright bright tweeter. It's still bright. Always has been bright. It's even worse for sibilance.

Jeff mentions the B&W's and I have to admit, having heard the new ones a few times, the 800D3 and 802D3's impress greatly. With careful cable and electronic matching, they're damn good and I think, but could be wrong, they top out at $30k ish. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe B&W is starting to incorporate some design ideas from Magico. The new B&W's are no civic....more like the new Corvette!

As I said, its going to be fun to watch.
 
I like where Jeff's going. Will be interesting.

But regarding the comments about the B&Ws I am really surprised. IMHO they are the most overhyped junk ever.


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Kuoppis said:
I like where Jeff's going. Will be interesting.

But regarding the comments about the B&Ws I am really surprised. IMHO they are the most overhyped junk ever.


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Really? I rather like the 800 D3 series. Maybe some Martin Logan ESL15a's for Jeff. :audiophile:
 
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Really? I rather like the 800 D3 series. Maybe some Martin Logan ESL15a's for Jeff. :audiophile:
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Well, everyone according to their taste.

Just not my cup of tea.


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Kuoppis said:
I like where Jeff's going. Will be interesting.

But regarding the comments about the B&Ws I am really surprised. IMHO they are the most overhyped junk ever.


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I'm not a big B&W fan, but their series 3 sound quite nice. (Heard the whole range extensively).
I can see why they have a large clientele.
 
Well, it depends on what is the point of reference and what you compare them to.

Any comparison to real hi-end like Magico, Giya or YG speakers would be just ridiculous.


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Kuoppis said:
Well, it depends on what is the point of reference and what you compare them to.

Any comparison to real hi-end like Magico, Giya, YG or Wilson speakers would be just ridiculous.


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I disagree. They easily compete with all but the highest levels of those product lines and often exceed the comparably priced models.
 
You can disagree all you want. Everyone judges based on what they know. These are just personal views. Please feel free to buy them if you like them.


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Kuoppis said:
You can disagree all you want. Everyone judges based on what they know. These are just personal views. Please feel free to buy them if you like them.


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I will continue to disagree. At least I didn't post that it is ridiculous to compare them to what you think are high end speakers.

I know a dealer who carries two of those lines and has said he would give his left nut to have B&W.
 
That's fine.

The dealers I work with mostly do not trade in their nuts. They're more like audio dealers.


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