still-one
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Streaming income has kept the recording industry afloat. The artists may not be happy with their share but the labels have offset much of the loss from low CD and Download sales.
The future of Tidal
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Streaming income has kept the recording industry afloat. The artists may not be happy with their share but the labels have offset much of the loss from low CD and Download sales.
pdub
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Assuming that all my personal playlists and favorite albums go poof if Tidal folds up their tent in the night, is there any easy way to archive the particulars of all these tracks/albums should I have to start buying media? Or is it time to start making lists the old-fashioned way in my barely legible handwriting?
If you have Roon and sign out of Tidal, do all the Tidal titles disappear or just gray out or something?
If you have Roon and sign out of Tidal, do all the Tidal titles disappear or just gray out or something?
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CPP
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Saw this online , pay per stream to the artists.
Napster - $0.0167
Tidal - $0.0110
Apple Music - $0.0064
Google Play - $0.0059
Deezer - $0.0056
Spotify - $0.0038
Pandora - $0.0011
YouTube - $0.0006
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmc...reaming-services-pay-per-stream/#c9a0ef4448cb
From another site: An example of Tidal, A Signed artists get $0.0125 per play. They would need 120,000 plays to receive $1,472.
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2017/07/24/what-streaming-music-services-pay-updated-for-2017/
Not sure about keeping the industry afloat. After that whooping sum of mony is seen, this amount may need to be split up with agents, managers, labels and this doesn't account for paying singers, mastering, session musicians, artwork and distribution fees.
Odyssey
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I read somewhere that Spotify is paying out over 70% of their revenue in royalties. It makes you wonder who is telling the truth.
The payouts artists receive are minuscule from any single service it seems. But if you amalgamate what they receive from all of the streaming services I wonder what they are. There is something to be said for a monthly income vs. a payout from from declining CD sales.
The payouts artists receive are minuscule from any single service it seems. But if you amalgamate what they receive from all of the streaming services I wonder what they are. There is something to be said for a monthly income vs. a payout from from declining CD sales.
Odyssey
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Parker, you can convert your playlists from Tidal to one of the other streaming services by using:
https://soundiiz.com
I have converted my playlists from platform to platform with over 95% of the songs in playlists making it thru. The difference seems to be that one provider does not have that artist or song. I have converted over 2000 tracks this way.
https://soundiiz.com
I have converted my playlists from platform to platform with over 95% of the songs in playlists making it thru. The difference seems to be that one provider does not have that artist or song. I have converted over 2000 tracks this way.
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still-one
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Within that $2.5 billion of streaming revenue lies one of the RIAA's most contentious issues: the gap in revenue between paid subscription streaming services, like Apple Music and Spotify premium, and ad-supported on-demand services, like YouTube and Spotify's free tier. Paid on-demand subscription revenue on its own was $1.7 billion, up 61 percent from the same period in 2016 and itself representing 43 percent of the total value of the U.S. music industry, dwarfing digital download and physical revenue combined.
still-one
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Here is the entire article.
https://www.billboard.com/articles/...-growth-accelerates-paid-streaming-50-percent
https://www.billboard.com/articles/...-growth-accelerates-paid-streaming-50-percent
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Thanks, Le Roy! I've been trying to keep track of the stuff I'd want to own if cd-quality streaming wasn't possible but keeping up with the sheer volume of what's available to explore on Tidal makes it difficult to hear albums a second or third time to confirm their potential.
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CPP
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Interesting article. Streaming as a whole is doing great for someone most likely the labels.
Also its not all roses as that article appears. The streaming providers are losing while the big labels are making money
https://gizmodo.com/streaming-music-services-from-most-screwed-to-least-sc-1793612699
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-...aming-rising-but-spotify-losing-money/8875188
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BlueFox
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This is getting play on other audio forums. A drawback to it is that some who might have been thinking about using it might decide to wait and see. So, now Tidal gets less revenue.
Dizzie
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Self-fulfilling prophecy.
Which is silly, since a Tidal subscriber or potential subscriber isn't "risking" anything except the (low) monthly fee
Nikhil
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It looks like royalties to music labels are closer to 80% according to this blog.
https://thebusinessoftech.wordpress.com/tag/tidal/
Here are some numbers from that article ...
[TABLE="width: 581"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Pricing Structure[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]Price per Month[/TD]
[TD="width: 184"]% of User Base[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Hi-fidelity[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ 19.99[/TD]
[TD="width: 184"]45%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Regular[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ 9.99[/TD]
[TD="width: 184"]55%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="width: 623"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Revenue[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]Monthly[/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]Yearly[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Hi-fidelity Subscription[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ 26,986,500.00[/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]$ 323,838,000.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Regular Subscription[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ 16,483,500.00[/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]$ 197,802,000.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Total Revenue[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ 43,470,000.00[/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]$ 521,640,000.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Cost[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"][/TD]
[TD="width: 227"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Royalty Pay-out Costs*[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ 17,388,000.00[/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]$ 208,656,000.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]R&D Costs**[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ –[/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]$ –[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Total Cost[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ 17,388,000.00[/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]$ 208,656,000.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"][/TD]
[TD="width: 198"][/TD]
[TD="width: 227"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Profit Margin[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"][/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]60%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Profit[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ 26,082,000.00[/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]$ 312,984,000.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Tidal was supposed to have an advantage here being owned by some of the artists.
But still 70% - 80% is an absolute killing considering that most of the heavy lifting is being done by someone else.
https://thebusinessoftech.wordpress.com/tag/tidal/
Here are some numbers from that article ...
[TABLE="width: 581"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Pricing Structure[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]Price per Month[/TD]
[TD="width: 184"]% of User Base[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Hi-fidelity[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ 19.99[/TD]
[TD="width: 184"]45%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Regular[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ 9.99[/TD]
[TD="width: 184"]55%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="width: 623"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Revenue[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]Monthly[/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]Yearly[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Hi-fidelity Subscription[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ 26,986,500.00[/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]$ 323,838,000.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Regular Subscription[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ 16,483,500.00[/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]$ 197,802,000.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Total Revenue[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ 43,470,000.00[/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]$ 521,640,000.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Cost[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"][/TD]
[TD="width: 227"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Royalty Pay-out Costs*[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ 17,388,000.00[/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]$ 208,656,000.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]R&D Costs**[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ –[/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]$ –[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Total Cost[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ 17,388,000.00[/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]$ 208,656,000.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"][/TD]
[TD="width: 198"][/TD]
[TD="width: 227"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Profit Margin[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"][/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]60%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 198"]Profit[/TD]
[TD="width: 198"]$ 26,082,000.00[/TD]
[TD="width: 227"]$ 312,984,000.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Tidal was supposed to have an advantage here being owned by some of the artists.
But still 70% - 80% is an absolute killing considering that most of the heavy lifting is being done by someone else.
CPP
Active member
Like I noted way back, what is Tidal doing with profits ?
Maybe this is Jay Z's piggy bank to continue to open new business streams or to slap a huge payback to those "well know artist" that invested in Tidal at the rebirth. When a company cannot afford to stay in business from huge loses, one stars looking at the operating structure. Speculating of course.
still-one
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I am on the same boat having subscribed to Tidal earlier this year and having created several playlists in Tidal already.
Here is cheap insurance: open free Spotify account; use soundiiz to copy your Tidal playlists to Spotify. If something happens to Tidal you are covered.
Hopefully if Tidal were to fail Roon will be able to have full integration with other services in the future.
Here is cheap insurance: open free Spotify account; use soundiiz to copy your Tidal playlists to Spotify. If something happens to Tidal you are covered.
Hopefully if Tidal were to fail Roon will be able to have full integration with other services in the future.
That would be pocket change for Apple plus they can gain more subscribers and CD quality resolution that the other competitors (Spotify, Amazon) do not offer yet.