The biggest secret has been revealed?!

[TheOctopus]

Lastly, I care zero about floor-borne vibrations which is just more folklore. My subwoofer is about 2ft to the right of my custom racking system in the vdieo. Both are coupled firmly to the subflooring and may even share the same floor joist. That's how much I care about floor-borne vibrations and my routine listening near / at live performance volume levels is just more proof that I don't care about floor-borne vibrations. I also don't care about air-borne vibrations or at least I don't think I care. What I do care about is the multitude of internally-generated vibrations or resonant energy induced by electric current flow that establishes a playback system's much raised noise floor perhaps the moment we push the power on button. The one energy type nobody else seems to care about.

And be sure to crank up the volume to ensure you get the fullest effect.

Stehno, that was a lot of information in one post. I quoted the last paragraph. What do you propose to do about the internal vibration of components if you see it as a problem? Do manufacturers not do enough in your opinion?

 

[Stehno]

Stehno, that was a lot of information in one post. I quoted the last paragraph. What do you propose to do about the internal vibration of components if you see it as a problem? Do manufacturers not do enough in your opinion?

Serge, I do what I can to allow the unwanted resonant energy to travel away from its point source as expediently as possible. And I propose others do likewise. Well, unless I don't like them.

Mfg'ers for the most part do nothing about it because I suspect like others they know nothing about it. Gotta' remember that the entire world is committed to the "isolation" methodology because it's just so much common sense. Actually, it's worse than that. Nobody does nothing about it which implies everybody is doing something about it and that means by their designs, construction, materials, and executions they most always make the situation worse not better. Even in the case of a mfg'er's stock footers, their remedies will most always and unknowingly trap the unwanted resonant energy within the component so somebody like me has to work around their significant shortcomings. And it ain't so easy sometimes. But if you think about, it's pretty difficult to remedy a problem we don't even realize exists or remedy a problem that flies in the face of "common sense" that's been handed down over the generations.

But the bottom line is, vibration isolation with its focus primarily on floor-borne vibrations and the remedy is to isolate sensitive components from the floor, is nothing but folklore. But common sense dictates that speakers (and the earth) vibrate and if their vibrations enter the floor, then they're coming straight for my components in my rack and they must be stopped. Common sense right? Sure. Except that floor-borne vibrations were never the performance issue.

Even when it comes to turntables which are a nightmare to remedy with their layer upon layer of isolation. With TT enthusiasts there's always the typical story of one hosting a party and a 400 lbs. guest dancing in front of the TT causes the stylus to jump 14 grooves and the host freaks out. What's the solution? Common sense dictates isolation. And guess what? It works. Now the 400 lbs. guest brings their 300 lbs. friends to the party and can dance in front of the TT 'til the cows come home and the stylus no longer jumps a single groove. This is what some call performance in high-end audio.

What they don't realize is that the 400 lbs. guest dancing in front of the TT has zero to do with vibrations but rather has everything to do with shock and impact which is an entirely different subject matter and has no place in high-end audio. Besides, shock and impact requires absorbtion (think isolation) which has zero to do with real performance. Well, except for TT's used at parties.

IMO, it is exactly this typical story that popularized vibration isolation in high-end audio. Golly, if isolation worked for George's TT down the street, maybe I could try hanging my 150 lbs. amplifier from the rafters using bungee cords which may or may not impact performance good or bad ever so slighty. But as usual, this "common sense" just starts flying everywhere.

And yes, I'm well aware that some will claim to hear genuine improvements and in some cases they may but the improvements are never large. But that's a whole nuther story.

BTW, I really do try to steer clear of most vibration mgmt threads as they usually become bottomless rabbit holes.

 

[MPW]

Serge, I do what I can to allow the unwanted resonant energy to travel away from its point source as expediently as possible. And I propose others do likewise. Well, unless I don't like them.

Mfg'ers for the most part do nothing about it because I suspect like others they know nothing about it. Gotta' remember that the entire world is committed to the "isolation" methodology because it's just so much common sense. Actually, it's worse than that. Nobody does nothing about it which implies everybody is doing something about it and that means by their designs, construction, materials, and executions they most always make the situation worse not better. Even in the case of a mfg'er's stock footers, their remedies will most always and unknowingly trap the unwanted resonant energy within the component so somebody like me has to work around their significant shortcomings. And it ain't so easy sometimes. But if you think about, it's pretty difficult to remedy a problem we don't even realize exists or remedy a problem that flies in the face of "common sense" that's been handed down over the generations.

But the bottom line is, vibration isolation with its focus primarily on floor-borne vibrations and the remedy is to isolate sensitive components from the floor, is nothing but folklore. But common sense dictates that speakers (and the earth) vibrate and if their vibrations enter the floor, then they're coming straight for my components in my rack and they must be stopped. Common sense right? Sure. Except that floor-borne vibrations were never the performance issue.

Even when it comes to turntables which are a nightmare to remedy with their layer upon layer of isolation. With TT enthusiasts there's always the typical story of one hosting a party and a 400 lbs. guest dancing in front of the TT causes the stylus to jump 14 grooves and the host freaks out. What's the solution? Common sense dictates isolation. And guess what? It works. Now the 400 lbs. guest brings their 300 lbs. friends to the party and can dance in front of the TT 'til the cows come home and the stylus no longer jumps a single groove. This is what some call performance in high-end audio.

What they don't realize is that the 400 lbs. guest dancing in front of the TT has zero to do with vibrations but rather has everything to do with shock and impact which is an entirely different subject matter and has no place in high-end audio. Besides, shock and impact requires absorbtion (think isolation) which has zero to do with real performance. Well, except for TT's used at parties.

IMO, it is exactly this typical story that popularized vibration isolation in high-end audio. Golly, if isolation worked for George's TT down the street, maybe I could try hanging my 150 lbs. amplifier from the rafters using bungee cords which may or may not impact performance good or bad ever so slighty. But as usual, this "common sense" just starts flying everywhere.

And yes, I'm well aware that some will claim to hear genuine improvements and in some cases they may but the improvements are never large. But that's a whole nuther story.

BTW, I really do try to steer clear of most vibration mgmt threads as they usually become bottomless rabbit holes.

I've read a number of your posts on this and another forum and am still not clear specifically what you are proposing be done with vibrations and what products and/or methods should be used. You seem to imply that we are all doing it wrong, but I'm not sure what right is in your opinion.

 

[atmasphere]

Sure, the active vibration isolation platforms are indeed used for scanning microscopes and other sensitive laboratory equipment but not because any of the electronic components can "shift" or change "value" due to vibration.

I have asked folks before to provide any evidence of vibrations causing a "shift" in electronic components so that the change in an audio signal would then be an obvious answer. I am still waiting to this day.

I apologize for my remarks in advance.

Your notion that electronic parts are unaffected by vibration is rubbish and obvious nonsense. That is why no-one has provided you any 'evidence'- where do you even start?? Anyone that has ever serviced electronics equipment is well acquainted with this issue- it has a word even: 'microphonic'

So I have to assume your contact with audio in general is limited, since microphonics is a well-known issue! Mercury Records famously put out a recording of the Minneapolis Symphony (Sythian Suite, Love of Three Oranges) on which a microphonic tube can clearly be heard along with the orchestra.

Ampex isomerically isolated the circuit boards in their 351 electronics to help reduce microphonics. Having serviced electronics since 1974 on a professional basis, I've encounter opamps that were microphonic as well- this phenomena is not limited to tubes, and it affects resistors and capacitors as well. As a manufacturer, we learned early on to avoid hermetically sealed Teflon capacitors because they could ring like a bell. Piezo electric transducers of course rely on microphonics for their MO.

Here's a link, since this word is apparently new to you:
Microphonics - Wikipedia

 

[TheOctopus]

I apologize for my remarks in advance.

Your notion that electronic parts are unaffected by vibration is rubbish and obvious nonsense. That is why no-one has provided you any 'evidence'- where do you even start?? Anyone that has ever serviced electronics equipment is well acquainted with this issue- it has a word even: 'microphonic'

So I have to assume your contact with audio in general is limited, since microphonics is a well-known issue! Mercury Records famously put out a recording of the Minneapolis Symphony (Sythian Suite, Love of Three Oranges) on which a microphonic tube can clearly be heard along with the orchestra.

Ampex isomerically isolated the circuit boards in their 351 electronics to help reduce microphonics. Having serviced electronics since 1974 on a professional basis, I've encounter opamps that were microphonic as well- this phenomena is not limited to tubes, and it affects resistors and capacitors as well. As a manufacturer, we learned early on to avoid hermetically sealed Teflon capacitors because they could ring like a bell. Piezo electric transducers of course rely on microphonics for their MO.

Here's a link, since this word is apparently new to you:
Microphonics - Wikipedia

Well, I for one serviced a lot of electronic equipment. I have an electronics degree (not an engineer). In fact I worked on computers and troubleshooting and repair down to component level back in the days of the IBM PC and XT and when the integrated circuit boards were actually fixable, not disposable... I know my way around the lab equipment, a heat gun, a freeze spray and a soldering iron.... Like I said, "vibration" was never part of any troubleshooting or repair other than in anger... The heat gun and freeze spray were much more often utilized to weed out those pesky "intermittent problems" related to thermal instability or defects of ICs and other components.

So in a nutshell, I know what equipment and tools were used for troubleshooting. An occasional gentle "tap" as a test for bad connection would be the extent of "testing for vibration".

Tube microphonics is a well known phenomena and it typically applies to small signal tubes going bad. Like I said earlier, the MIG-25 used vacuum tubes for decades for its avionics and that aircraft was subject to all kinds of vibrations and G-loadings. Give me a break with your tube microphonics and Diana Krall's voice changing for you. Don't make me laugh...

Some capacitors as Tom mentioned above are indeed exhibiting piezo-electric effect. How much vibration is needed, I have no idea. What effect that has on any signal is unknown to me. If you have that info, please share. Any other evidence of vibration control directly measurable and evident, would also be appreciated. As it stands right now, this is in no way better than the "un-demonstrable" effect of audio cables...

 

[TheOctopus]

How about reading some "real" world challenges for electronic circuit from the serious people of "NASA"

What do they do about 9 million pounds of thrust and dynamic pyrotechnic shock that causes high frequency/high magnitude stress shockwaves that rip through the rocket on its way to outer space...

The Harsh Environmental Conditions of a Spacecraft and the Hazards Posed to the Electronics
The first hurdle for space electronics to overcome is the vibration imposed by the launch vehicle. The demands placed on a rocket and its payload during launch are severe. Rocket launchers generate extreme noise and vibration. There are literally thousands of things that can go wrong and result in a ball of flame. When a satellite separates from the rocket in space, large shocks occur in the satellite’s body structure. Pyrotechnic shock is the dynamic structural shock that occurs when an explosion occurs on a structure. Pyroshock is the response of the structure to high frequency, high magnitude stress waves that propagate throughout the structure as a result of an explosive charge, like the ones used in a satellite ejection or the separation of two stages of a multistage rocket. Pyroshock exposure can damage circuit boards, short electrical components, or cause all sorts of other issues. Understanding the launch environment provides a greater appreciation for the shock and vibration requirements, and inspections imposed on electronic components designed for use in space level applications.

Do those vibrations cause any deviation from the norm for the electronic circuits? Can we ever get to Mars if we can't even listen to music without vibration isolation?


Challenges for Electronic Circuits in Space Applications | Analog Devices.

 

[Stehno]

...

So in a nutshell, I know what equipment and tools were used for troubleshooting. An occasional gentle "tap" as a test for bad connection would be the extent of "testing for vibration".

....

That reminds of a "meaningful dialogue" I engaged in with a well-known component designer back around 2013. As he was trying to put me in my place regarding my lack of vibration mgmt experience, he wanted everybody to know that he tested for vibrations by flicking a finger on a component's top plate and called it his "ding test." Common sense rears its ugly head again, right?

Anyway, he was none too fond when I suggested he call it his "ding-a-ling test".

But more importantly, we got into a rather nasty knock-down-drag-out discussion and eventually he admitted that every last one of his designs as well as all others' designs contained at least one serious unknown flaw for which his professionally calibrated measuring equipment was of no value.

He was also none too fond when I suggested his designs (which I've never listened to) most likely contained no such serious unknown flaws whatsoever but rather his designs were simply incomplete - as were all others' designs.

I like to think I've matured since then. But maybe not.

But seriously, that is one way to look at every component and speaker. Their designs are simply incomplete without a superior foundation and as such they can only perform closer to their base levels rather than their optimal levels.

 

[TheOctopus]

Oh, no..... Mr.Musk... we don't know how to tell you this but the rocket is lost somewhere between Jupiter and Saturn... Turns out the new batch of resistors were slightly microphonic causing gross errors in navigational thrust correction sequences...

Well damn... I thought I sent out a memo that some of our Model 3 Tesla were making errors in autonomous driving control due to the bad road conditions, pot holes and those new ceramic capacitors going Piezo on us... Damn Michigan winters, bloody potholes and vibrations. Here we all thought the GPS signal in space has a global average user range rate error (URRE) of ≤0.006 m/sec but we never took the potholes and bad roads into account... One Model 3 is still stuck in the side of that old brick building and the owner is threatening to sue Tesla...

Voice from the back of the control room...

Hehehe... That could have all been avoided if you guys only listened to what I was telling you about my new footers under my preamp while listening to Led Zeppelin but NO... you guys always just make fun of me..

 

[TheOctopus]

Not going to find harsher conditions for electronic devices than space flight. Go ahead and peruse the article. You will see all kinds of concerns, including Soft and Hard Errors induced by radiation exposure in space, temperature extremes, even the Tin Whiskers phenomena... But do a search on "microphonics" and "vibration" induced errors or glitches in that article and you come up empty handed..

Sorry but I trust Analog Devices and NASA when it comes to credible information more than any audiophile. Nothing personal guys.

Challenges for Electronic Circuits in Space Applications | Analog Devices

 

[Stehno]

Not going to find harsher conditions for electronic devices than space flight. Go ahead and peruse the article. You will see all kinds of concerns, including Soft and Hard Errors induced by radiation exposure in space, temperature extremes, even the Tin Whiskers phenomena... But do a search on "microphonics" and "vibration" induced errors or glitches in that article and you come up empty handed..

Sorry but I trust Analog Devices and NASA when it comes to credible information more than any audiophile. Nothing personal guys.

Challenges for Electronic Circuits in Space Applications | Analog Devices

I take it my comment about the designer's ding-a-ling test hit a little too close to home? It wasn't intended for you. My apologies.

I guess I have matured since the last time that ding-a-ling test was mentioned.

 

[TheOctopus]

I take it my comment about the designer's ding-a-ling test hit a little too close to home? It wasn't intended for you. My apologies.

I guess I have matured since the last time that ding-a-ling test was mentioned.

No worries, I did not take it personally and I do not get offended that easily.

Side note, I have walked away from vibrations in my audio by streaming... :scholar:

The notion of the turntable "dragging" its stylus to the point of heating up and nearly melting vinyl as a mode of normal operation, the tape "dragging" itself across the heads and the CD spinner creating vibrations by spinning itself at 500 to 200 rpm depending on the reading sector is just so.... well vibrationally lame.

Streaming is modern, efficient, silent and so "vibration free"... :scholar:

Perhaps that is the reason I spend a lot of time listening to music and zero time on seeking vibrational control gizmos? Discussions are fun though but do create a bit of vibration as I type all this out on the keyboard and my Roon core is on my main PC so that may affect my music fidelity. No, not really....

 

[atmasphere]

Not going to find harsher conditions for electronic devices than space flight. Go ahead and peruse the article. You will see all kinds of concerns, including Soft and Hard Errors induced by radiation exposure in space, temperature extremes, even the Tin Whiskers phenomena... But do a search on "microphonics" and "vibration" induced errors or glitches in that article and you come up empty handed..

Sorry but I trust Analog Devices and NASA when it comes to credible information more than any audiophile. Nothing personal guys.

Challenges for Electronic Circuits in Space Applications | Analog Devices

Well you've not managed to debunk anything with your comments although you've made a good case for trolling.

If you've not experienced microphonics in parts other than tubes as a technician then you are either very lucky or very inexperienced. We use extensive damping techniques in our preamps and the effect of them is easily measured. And obviously audible. If you wish to continue with this sort of pointless exercise, take it to a forum that isn't involved with high end audio and people there will think a great deal more of your comments.

Now to be clear I'd love it if we didn't have to deal with microphonic issues in parts. It would make our assemblies go much easier. But they are a fact of life. You can be assured that in aerospace applications the parts used are meeting a variety of specification including microphonic issues. So its a simple explanation (Occam's Razor) that you are trying to conflate apples and oranges. So yeah, you can trust NASA on this- why not ask them rather than presume that these things don't exist at all? There is a rather obvious logical fallacy at play here. False Dilemma comes to mind. 'Nothing personal guys' and then rolling your eyes rather suggests it is personal. Please stop trolling this forum.

 

[mep]

Well you've not managed to debunk anything with your comments although you've made a good case for trolling.

If you've not experienced microphonics in parts other than tubes as a technician then you are either very lucky or very inexperienced. We use extensive damping techniques in our preamps and the effect of them is easily measured. And obviously audible. If you wish to continue with this sort of pointless exercise, take it to a forum that isn't involved with high end audio and people there will think a great deal more of your comments.

Now to be clear I'd love it if we didn't have to deal with microphonic issues in parts. It would make our assemblies go much easier. But they are a fact of life. You can be assured that in aerospace applications the parts used are meeting a variety of specification including microphonic issues. So its a simple explanation (Occam's Razor) that you are trying to conflate apples and oranges. So yeah, you can trust NASA on this- why not ask them rather than presume that these things don't exist at all? There is a rather obvious logical fallacy at play here. False Dilemma comes to mind. 'Nothing personal guys' and then rolling your eyes rather suggests it is personal. Please stop trolling this forum.

It’s hopeless Ralph. He’s getting to be a clone of Ethan Winer.

 

[Stehno]

It’s hopeless Ralph. He’s getting to be a clone of Ethan Winer.

Per chance, you don't mean THE Audio Expert, do ya?

 

[Spock]

If you've not experienced microphonics in parts other than tubes as a technician then you are either very lucky or very inexperienced.

Octopus is very angry with the audio. Someone promised him nirvana and he spend a lot of money on "top" systems and never found it.
As a consolation I also haven't found it yet but I still try and I still believe that it exists.
But Octopus wants us all to give up ...

 

[atmasphere]

Per chance, you don't mean THE Audio Expert, do ya?

You mean the one that denies the existence of Ohm's Law? I only say that because I saw someone with that name on a YT video that claimed that power cords couldn't make a difference in audio products, but apparently had never tried measuring anything about them. Power cords obey Ohm's Law like everything else in electronics...

Audiophile Guru Syndrome (AGS): when only the audio monologue from the Guru can be trusted; all else is hearsay, anecdote and possibly blasphemy.​

 

[Stehno]

You mean the one that denies the existence of Ohm's Law? I only say that because I saw someone with that name on a YT video that claimed that power cords couldn't make a difference in audio products, but apparently had never tried measuring anything about them. Power cords obey Ohm's Law like everything else in electronics...

Audiophile Guru Syndrome (AGS): when only the audio monologue from the Guru can be trusted; all else is hearsay, anecdote and possibly blasphemy.​

Nope. Must be a different The Audio Expert. The Audio Expert I'm thinking of used to claim that all components were identical and all cables were identical as all maintained the fidelity of the input signal and that if we weren't hearing the live performance via our playback systems, the problem had to be with recording microphone placements during the recording session.

Rats. I was kinda' hoping there wasn't more than one The Audio Expert.

 

[stereogeek]

Well, I for one serviced a lot of electronic equipment. I have an electronics degree (not an engineer). In fact I worked on computers and troubleshooting and repair down to component level back in the days of the IBM PC and XT and when the integrated circuit boards were actually fixable, not disposable... I know my way around the lab equipment, a heat gun, a freeze spray and a soldering iron.... Like I said, "vibration" was never part of any troubleshooting or repair other than in anger... The heat gun and freeze spray were much more often utilized to weed out those pesky "intermittent problems" related to thermal instability or defects of ICs and other components.

So in a nutshell, I know what equipment and tools were used for troubleshooting. An occasional gentle "tap" as a test for bad connection would be the extent of "testing for vibration".

Tube microphonics is a well known phenomena and it typically applies to small signal tubes going bad. Like I said earlier, the MIG-25 used vacuum tubes for decades for its avionics and that aircraft was subject to all kinds of vibrations and G-loadings. Give me a break with your tube microphonics and Diana Krall's voice changing for you. Don't make me laugh...

Some capacitors as Tom mentioned above are indeed exhibiting piezo-electric effect. How much vibration is needed, I have no idea. What effect that has on any signal is unknown to me. If you have that info, please share. Any other evidence of vibration control directly measurable and evident, would also be appreciated. As it stands right now, this is in no way better than the "un-demonstrable" effect of audio cables...

I have already warned you that when Ralph speaks you had better listen. If you keep on speaking you "might" start to sound silly.

 

[TheOctopus]

Octopus is very angry with the audio. Someone promised him nirvana and he spend a lot of money on "top" systems and never found it.
As a consolation I also haven't found it yet but I still try and I still believe that it exists.
But Octopus wants us all to give up ...

You got me figured out all wrong. I actually did find nirvana. It is called not being obsessed with things that can neither be measured meaningfully nor proved properly and a whole bunch of pseudo-science crap that no one but the audiophile community can ever take seriously. Tube microphonics are real, I've experienced that and still listened to music with microphonic tubes. The world did not end. I am not about to tap my tubes before every listening session... When I feel they have reached their useful life span, I will replace them all in one shot.



I take music seriously, I listen to music a lot. That's the main point of this hobby for me. That's my nirvana. My nirvana does not require $300k speakers, power conditioners and fancy power cords but if you are convinced that it does, by all means, spend away and keep spending and upgrading. Yes, I have been around the block with this hobby and owned some serious gear and built a few dedicated rooms for all that sonic horsepower. It was fun and I walked away having formulated much deeper understanding of what it is I want out of this hobby. Took me 30 years or so but I'm all set now.

At some point, everyone realizes that chasing absolutes that are undefined, highly subjective to begin with and do not have a clear bullseye on the target to aim for, well, it just serves for a lot of audio forum babbling, like lunatics, trying to prove to each other your version of a system is superior to others. Just one thread on internet switches is enough to make me cringe.


Not to mention that even on a basic physiological level, we all hear different. Some people have much fresher ears, some rely on hearing aids. It's all good, they are still in the hobby for whatever aspect of it brings them pleasure. Nothing wrong with that.

Have fun chasing your vibrational gremlins... Don't forget to have at least some fun with music between all the bouts of sympathetic and unsympathetic resonance in your listening room. :audiophile:

I'm out. No need to go further with this topic for me as it proves nothing and everyone walks away with their own conclusions. Hopefully no feathers were ruffled beyond repair.

 

[TheOctopus]

Well you've not managed to debunk anything with your comments although you've made a good case for trolling.

If you've not experienced microphonics in parts other than tubes as a technician then you are either very lucky or very inexperienced. We use extensive damping techniques in our preamps and the effect of them is easily measured. And obviously audible. If you wish to continue with this sort of pointless exercise, take it to a forum that isn't involved with high end audio and people there will think a great deal more of your comments.

Now to be clear I'd love it if we didn't have to deal with microphonic issues in parts. It would make our assemblies go much easier. But they are a fact of life. You can be assured that in aerospace applications the parts used are meeting a variety of specification including microphonic issues. So its a simple explanation (Occam's Razor) that you are trying to conflate apples and oranges. So yeah, you can trust NASA on this- why not ask them rather than presume that these things don't exist at all? There is a rather obvious logical fallacy at play here. False Dilemma comes to mind. 'Nothing personal guys' and then rolling your eyes rather suggests it is personal. Please stop trolling this forum.

My electronics days were after tube era and were focused on electronic repair of computers and then medical devices. Some of our customers were RCA, GE, Campbell Soup and a few other "serious" folk outfits. They were quite satisfied with my experience level.

I did not have the pleasure of measuring tubes on antique tube testers for audiophile purposes...

Look, I understand the position of audio gear manufacturers, I watch enough of Paul McGowan stuff on youtube and the way he tries to explain the typical audiophile questions by first saying "oh boy, you've opened a can of worms". I get it, it is a guild. I'm simply the wrong guy to be kneeling at your altar when it comes to pseudo-science if you catch my drift. There are logical and proven concepts of solid audio gear design and many manufacturers are good at it. I don't see extraordinary claims from the serious players.

When I see power cords being promoted, I can't help but to think that AC that is magnetically induced by a transformer, rectified, filtered and stored by the power supply to be used at the voltage rails has very little to do with a few milliohms of a difference between them.

But you don't need to waste your time convincing me about power cords, I would have rather listened to what great lengths you go to to protect your gear from vibrations, what quality components you use in them, how you select tubes, how you test them, what you have discovered in your journey of audio gear design and the sound of "vibration". What does it sound like by the way. How do vibrations manifest themselves within the context of say an amplifier if it not the tubes but capacitors, resistors, inductors, etc. Do they all sound different or similar? Any advice on how to address them? How does one "tune" the sound with vibrational control. Surely there must be a vector for that?

I know, lots of questions...


Have a good one Mr.Ralph and keep building that gear that stirs the soul.