The Beatles - The Beatles In Mono - AAPL 379916 Sep 9th PreOrder

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This year, they have decided to do it properly. I think digital re-mastering & transfer to vinyl is a joke & defeats the point of the medium which is A N A L O G.

So how is this going to compare to the 1978 Blue Box which was pressed in plants all over the world? Apparently, the 1978 BlueBox bests are the UK & Jap pressings. I never bothered with the Sydney Australia pressing.

In fact, I currently have no Beatles at all in my collection. So I'm wondering given all this time, how good is this release going to be given the tape archival? They pulled a Studer A80 to do the job, but no tubes in the middle this time.

Pre-orders now @$375 which is less than a M-/M- 1978 Blue Box.

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  • The Beatles get back to mono in a limited edition 14 LP box set
  • 180-gram LPs pressed in Germany by Optimal Media
  • Newly remastered for vinyl from the analogue tapes by Sean Magee and Steve Berkowitz
  • Cut to lacquer on a VMS80 lathe
  • Exclusive 12" 108-page hardbound book with rare studio photos!

"The EMI representative told me that after absorbing the criticism heaped on the digitially sourced stereo box - including the extensive AnalogPlanet.com coverage, which was correctly construed as constructive criticism - the decision was made to produce the mono LPs using an all-analog mastering chain. ... Berkowitz told me that in his opinion and in the opinions of many, the mono mixes were the more important reissues and I agree." - Michael Fremer, AnalogPlanet.com. To read Fremer's full report, including his exclusive access to one of the mono mastering sessions, visit: http://www.analogplanet.com/content/beatles-get-back-mono-and-aaa-vinyl

As mentioned in the quote above, analog expert and viny guru Michael Fremer, of AnalogPlanet.com, says EMI representatives heard and responded to criticisms concerning digitally sourced mastering used to produce The Beatles Stereo Box Set on vinyl. For the mono version, the decision was made to use an all-analog mastering chain to the degree possible.

"It's important to remember that the tapes have aged - some as much as fifty years - and the monitoring, playback and mastering equipment have changed as well, even though the work was done in the very same room in which the originals were mastered. Solid state has replaced tubes in the cutting chain," writes Fremer.

The Beatles' mono albums have been newly mastered for vinyl from quarter-inch master tapes at Abbey Road Studios by Grammy-winning engineer Sean Magee and Grammy-winning mastering supervisor Steve Berkowitz. While The Beatles In Mono CD boxed set released in 2009 was created from digital remasters, for this new vinyl project, Magee and Berkowitz cut the records without using any digital technology. Instead, they employed the same procedures used in the 1960s, guided by the original albums and by detailed transfer notes made by the original cutting engineers.

Working in the same room at Abbey Road where most of The Beatles' albums were initially cut, the pair first dedicated weeks to concentrated listening, fastidiously comparing the master tapes with first pressings of the mono records made in the 1960s. Using a rigorously tested Studer A80 machine to play back the precious tapes, the new vinyl was cut on a 1980s-era VMS80 lathe.

Fremer says the lathe was equipped with a Neumann SX-74 cutter head. The originals were cut on a Scully lathe, perhaps with a Westrex cutter head.
 
You just realised this Steve? :D

Most sites have been going crazy with this information from last month. :exciting:

Amazon CA was cn $356 + $6 shipping. I think it has gone up a bit now.
 
You just realised this Steve? :D

Most sites have been going crazy with this information from last month. :exciting:

Amazon CA was cn $356 + $6 shipping. I think it has gone up a bit now.

Hmmm, Sure, I have seen the hype elsewhere but no-one is actually talking about it here, so I thought I would start a thread to see if you guys were inclined to want to add your thoughts on AudioShark. The Acoustic Sounds price is what I listed. I prefer to shop from there & they have it as their no.1 preorder. Yes I do have a standing back order & this SKU is on it too.
 
Hmmmm....now that I have a mono cartridge I may have to think more seriously about this set...:woot:

Thanks for the reminder Steve.
 
Mike... Go for it! What mono cart do you have? Would be interesting comparison on a modern mono pressing. A good mono cart would likely outperform a premium stereo cart on mono pressings. I gather these albums are to be mono cut on the lathe too. (True mono, no vertical groove modulation).

Best I can do is switch the phono stage to mono mode.
 
They've gotten me time after time with new promises and hype. I have the Blue Box and, while it is a thing of beauty, the sound is ok at best, just like every other Beatles release I have heard. I don't expect anything much better from master tapes that didn't sound great in the first place. I love the Beatles, but I mostly enjoy them in my car, on Pandora or FM radio, when a track comes on unexpectedly and it is just great fun.
 
BruceLet...These may sound worse than the Blue Box. Tapes are now much older. Plus 35 years. I wonder how well they have kept in the archives. I suspect in recent years archival methods have improved but some of these tapes are now 50 years old.
 
Mike... Go for it! What mono cart do you have? Would be interesting comparison on a modern mono pressing. A good mono cart would likely outperform a premium stereo cart on mono pressings. I gather these albums are to be mono cut on the lathe too. (True mono, no vertical groove modulation).

Best I can do is switch the phono stage to mono mode.

Steve, I have the Cadenza Mono cart.

To some it's blasphemy (The Beatles Love release of mixes), but the Beatles Love recording liner notes say this about the master tapes (not sure WHAT "master tapes" are mentioned...as the Beatles Love is a stereo recording....did they master both mono and stereo simultaneously as originals?) :

Love


"We began by producing a demo behind closed doors in a small room above Studio 1 at Abbey Road. As soon as I heard the original master tapes I realized I had been given the best job in the world, the energy of a young band burst out of the speakers. From then on it was obvious that there was no need to be retrospective in our approach. All the music was so well recorded by the EMI engineers that the attitude and the passion were frozen in time. Had the music not been so familiar, the tapes sounded like they’d been recorded yesterday. The guitar sound on “Revolution” for example rips your head off, even today it defines the word ‘distortion.’ Tape after tape, I was expecting hiss and crackle and all I heard was the energy of a group of twenty year olds at the top of their game.

Everything they had done was recorded live, without a click and often all on one track, so the best approach was to recreate a performance that had only happened in the studio but present it to an audience as though it were live."
 
If you own a copy of the BC-13 Blue box set of Beatles LPs (EMI Britian Parlaphone) and you don"t think the Beatles LPs sound really, really good, something is seriously amiss with your system.
 
If you own a copy of the BC-13 Blue box set of Beatles LPs (EMI Britian Parlaphone) and you don"t think the Beatles LPs sound really, really good, something is seriously amiss with your system.

Maybe you are just used to mediocre sound.
 
BruceLet...These may sound worse than the Blue Box. Tapes are now much older. Plus 35 years. I wonder how well they have kept in the archives. I suspect in recent years archival methods have improved but some of these tapes are now 50 years old.


Steve,
the blue box is the Stereo release. This is the mono release, different mixes and less albums as mono stops at The White album.

The Blue Box UK pressings are still very valuable after the abortion that was the Stereo box set.
 
Hmmm, Sure, I have seen the hype elsewhere but no-one is actually talking about it here, so I thought I would start a thread to see if you guys were inclined to want to add your thoughts on AudioShark. The Acoustic Sounds price is what I listed. I prefer to shop from there & they have it as their no.1 preorder. Yes I do have a standing back order & this SKU is on it too.


Fair enough

Personally I would never order the time of day from Chad and Acoustic Sounds, but that is just me not liking his predatory pricing methods

I upgraded the shipping on Amazon ca so they will ship by trackable courier for the grand total of $15

How much is Chad charging for postage to Australia?;)
 
Maybe you are just used to mediocre sound.

Bruce-I want to keep this civil, I really do. I'm 58 and will be 59 next month. I have been listening to the Beatles since 1963. I can tell you that outside of the original EMI British Parlaphone LPs, I have never heard the Beatles sound better than they do with the BC-13 box set. I have two BC-13 sets (I bought one for a spare) and I have owned my original BC-13 set for over 25 years and have played the hell out of that set and they still sound great.

The stereo I owned at the time I bought my first BC-13 collection was far different than the system I own now. At that time, I designed and built all of my own speakers which were 1/4 wavelength true transmission line speakers including transmission line subs. The main speakers used Dynaudio drivers. I marveled at how good those LPs sounded then, and it has only gotten better over time as my system has improved. And I'm not trying to say that the EMI Parlaphone LPs are sonic wonders because they are not. Most of the early LPs were recorded in mono and transferred to "stereo" which meant voices in one speaker and instruments in the other. However, the sound is still damn good which should make the new mono collection all the more interesting to here because we will get to hear what the Beatles actually intended us to hear with those LPs.

Do the early LPs have great bass? No, they don't. Do the voices sound magical? Yes, I believe they do. Ditto for the rest of the instruments. I'm amazed the Beatles LPs sound as good as they do knowing the early ones were recorded in 1963 and the Beatles crammed lots of songs on each side of the LPs. Am I "just used to mediocre sound?" No, I'm not. I have jazz LPs from 1957 that are far superior in sound quality (think Sonny Rollins "Way Out West" for example).

If you have the BC-13 collection and you want to explain why you think individual LPs don't sound that good, I would be happy to hear what you have to say and share my thoughts on how they sound in my system. I also own the original CD collection as well as the remastered stereo and mono collection as well as the USB 24 bit files on the USB green apple and I can tell you that none of them hold a candle to the BC-13 collection. If you don't own the German pressing of Magical Mystery Tour, you will be blown away by the bass that was captured on "Baby You're a Rich Man."

My current LP system is comprised of the Technics SP-10 MKII table, SME 312s arm, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Krell KPE Reference phono stage, ARC Ref 5SE, ARC Ref 75, a pair of Wilson Benesch ARC speakers, and a pair of Def Tech Ref subs. I can only assume that when my Nola KOs finally arrive the sound will be even better. I have had a dedicated room for my system since the 1980s and the room I have now is the best I have ever had. I built an addition on to my house just so I could have the room that I currently have. It's sound isolated from my main house and I never have to worry about the wife sticking her head in my room and yelling "turn that down!" You simply can't hear my system in the rest of the house no matter how loud it's cranked. I get to hear the Beatles LPs played back at realistic levels and I stand by my comments that they sound damn good given the limitations of recording rock music all the way back to 1963. If you love the Beatles as much as I do (and more than listening to demo Direct to Disc recordings), this is as close as you are going to get to the master tapes. I expect great things from the mono collection and I look forward to hearing it since that is where all of the hard work was put in when the albums were originally recorded. The stereo mastering was an afterthought in comparison to the mono versions. That still doesn't detract from my enjoyment at how good these LPs still sound.
 
Fair enough

Personally I would never order the time of day from Chad and Acoustic Sounds, but that is just me not liking his predatory pricing methods

I upgraded the shipping on Amazon ca so they will ship by trackable courier for the grand total of $15

How much is Chad charging for postage to Australia?;)

I buy in NET AU$FX x 1000 lots for which I get a discount for scheduled orders. Freight works out to be approx $5 per album based on weight.

Occasionally, buy from Amazon marketplace even eBay for vintage 1st pressings. Freight can be high & condition can be misrepresentative for used.

MusicDirect if for limited MOFI & consumables but freight is just too high using them.
 
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