Tariff implications.........

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Shadowfax said:
Yeah, the Fake News is finally being forced to report on Reality or risk completely going out of business. What does CNN have now, 10,000 viewers?
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Per AI Overview, In Primetime , CNN averaged 519,000 total viewers and 99,000 A25-54 viewers during April. Across the total day , the Network averaged 410,000 total viewers and 68,000 A25-54 viewers.
 
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Per AI Overview, In Primetime , CNN averaged 519,000 total viewers and 99,000 A25-54 viewers during April. Across the total day , the Network averaged 410,000 total viewers and 68,000 A25-54 viewers.
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Thanks for the fact check which shows out of the 300 million Americans, a tiny little % pay attention to Fake News.
 
treitz3 said:
Instead of allowing you to deflect once again, let's take a look at what Tariffs have brought to America -

List of new U.S.-based investments -
  • Project Stargate, led by Japan-based Softbank and U.S.-based OpenAI and Oracle, announced a $500 billion private investment in U.S.-based artificial intelligence infrastructure.
  • Apple announced a $500 billion investment in U.S. manufacturing and training.
  • NVIDIA, a global chipmaking giant, announced it will invest $500 billion in U.S.-based AI infrastructure over the next four years amid its pledge to manufacture AI supercomputers entirely in the U.S. for the first time.
  • IBM announced a $150 billion investment over the next five years in its U.S.-based growth and manufacturing operations.
  • Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) announced a $100 billion investment in U.S.-based chips manufacturing.
  • Johnson & Johnson announced a $55 billion investment over the next four years in manufacturing, research and development, and technology.
  • Roche, a Swiss drug and diagnostics company, announced a $50 billion investment in U.S.-based manufacturing and research and development, which is expected to create more than 1,000 full-time jobs and more than 12,000 jobs including construction.
  • Bristol Myers Squibb announced a $40 billion investment over the next five years in its research, development, technology, and U.S.-based manufacturing operations.
  • Eli Lilly and Company announced a $27 billion investment to more than double its domestic manufacturing capacity.
  • United Arab Emirates-based ADQ and U.S.-based Energy Capital Partners announced a $25 billion investment in U.S. data centers and energy infrastructure.
  • Novartis, a Swiss drugmaker, announced a $23 billion investment to build or expand ten manufacturing facilities across the U.S., which will create 4,000 new jobs.
  • Hyundai announced a $21 billion U.S.-based investment — including $5.8 billion for a new steel plant in Louisiana, which will create nearly 1,500 jobs.
    • Hyundai also secured an equity investment and agreement from Posco Holdings, South Korea’s top steel maker.
  • United Arab Emirates-based DAMAC Properties announced a $20 billion investment in new U.S.-based data centers.
  • France-based CMA CGM, a global shipping giant, announced a $20 billion investment in U.S. shipping and logistics, creating 10,000 new jobs.
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Most all of those tech manufacturing were involved in the CHIPS Act. This was 100% not a Trump legislation.
 
the professor said:
To bring some levity —- I thought we are supposed to go paperless thus making printers obsolete.
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We were going paperless years ago. Paperless has proven to actually add to the printed paper usage since data implementation is of course going up. Every and all data that is "paperless" has a printed paper backup. I have been involved in many many of these projects. When was the last time you went to the doctors and they did not print out many pages (a lot more than they did 30 yeas ago)?
 
NewAlkyogre said:
You know the price of ink is higher then gold? They do everything to use more ink, like cleanings every time before printing. But don’t worry HP has something new: the cartridges are not for sale anymore and delivered for a monthly fee. A kind of mobile phone business model, for something that is worth nothing: ink! And they do everything that another brand does not work.

It is crazy, it are companies like HP who make the citizens poor with their incredible high margins.
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The only one doing ink in the US, and the one not requiring new cartridges is Epson with their refillable ink tanks. These work fantastic by the way. I have had two. The first one I gave to my son when I bought a new wide format. It uses very little ink in comparison but I can fill a tank whenever I want from bottles made in Oregon.
 
Randy Myers said:
Most all of those tech manufacturing were involved in the CHIPS Act. This was 100% not a Trump legislation.
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Hi Randy - would love to give credit to the chips act if that is true. Credit should go where it is due.

Since you state with certainty its due to the chips act, would you please specifically cross-list which ones are and link to press releases from before Trump's inauguration for these specific companies stating they are doing the very things in that list and they tout these exact specific investments?

I'd love to know which specifically is due to a legislation from several years ago where most of these were just announced now. Thank you.
 
treitz3 said:
A price I am willing to pay, for the greater good of America.

Tom
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I'm failing to see what "the greater good of America" is, or what the endgame of the tariffs is. If it's supposed to be the return of manufacturing to the US, then I'm not seeing this as much of a win. Robotics and AI run most modern factories, and the others employ low wage earners. Do you think the American Dream is to become a low wage factory worker? Look at the auto industry: 40 years ago, autoworkers made a decent salary, had a pension, and good health coverage. Autoworkers hired in the last 10-20 years start at $15/hr with few if any benefits, certainly not a pension. If manufacturing were to return to the US, I'd expect it to be much like the agricultural industry in the US is now, mostly low wage jobs that most Americans don't want.
 
Michaels HiFi said:
Correction - 51% of the people selected - through what ever criteria the polling company used - feel a certain way about any topic polled. It's usually only a few hundred or a couple of thousand people at most and is so easily manipulated that only a fool believes any poll about anything.

The election results when looking at the seven swing state sweep, popular vote tally, Electoral tally, and retaking of the Senate is statistically a much more valid number than the few hundred people some company decided to ask a question that you don't even know what the real question was or how phrased.

Just be honest you hate the man. That's your right. But don't hide behind a phony "poll".
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BS. I don't "hate" Trump, but he is a despicable person who is probably doing some irreparable harm to our country. Don't dismiss a poll simply because you don't like the result; look at the actual questions and the responses, and don't forget that only about 1/3 of registered voters voted for Trump.
 
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As the saying goes - “there’s a pony in here somewhere”

The passion around the subject of tariffs is indicative of just how important this is to everyone here.

A discussion of tariffs is incomplete without a discussion of outsourcing. I searched this thread for the word outsourcing and got zero hits.

Outsourcing is a two edged sword that has reduced the cost of consumer goods while eliminating millions of US factory jobs.

US policy historically has been silent on outsourcing while actually encouraging it via trade agreements like NAFTA.

Outsourcing proponents say US companies and consumers benefit from outsourcing with lower costs. This allows competitive exports from the US and lower costs to end consumers. They say the jobs lost are low skilled jobs that Americans don’t want.

Outsourcing opponents say that millions of American jobs have been lost and entire industries decimated. They say that fast internet has allowed highly compensated knowledge work to move offshore.

All of this is true, which makes it a vexing problem to solve.

It will take time and substantive policy changes to create a sustainable future for American manufacturing. No one act will change the long term balance.
 
rbbert said:
BS. I don't "hate" Trump, but he is a despicable person who is probably doing some irreparable harm to our country. Don't dismiss a poll simply because you don't like the result; look at the actual questions and the responses, and don't forget that only about 1/3 of registered voters voted for Trump.
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Ah the hate is flowing in your veins! Careful, you are going to turn into Darth Vader.....
 
rbbert said:
We apparently have differing definitions of "hate"
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Agreed. The most hate consumed people are always the first to claim they don't hate. Then they open their mouth and the truth comes out.

It's plain for everyone else to see except those consumed who always delude themselves into thinking they are on a cause for the greater good.

Darth Vader was convinced he was right also. ;)
 
Michaels HiFi said:
Agreed. The most hate consumed people are always the first to claim they don't hate. Then they open their mouth and the truth comes out.

It's plain for everyone else to see except those consumed who always delude themselves into thinking they are on a cause for the greater good.

Darth Vader was convinced he was right also. ;)
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I really don't know what you are talking about, but I can put forth a couple of opinions. What makes "America" (i.e., the USA) great is this country's leadership in science and technology (due in no small part to the results of research done by foreign-born scientists). How does vigorously cutting our research budget and making it unattractive for foreign "talent" (immigration policies) to relocate or even stay here for research improve or even continue that? Our health care treatment is among the best in the world, but our health outcomes are terrible despite spending far more per capita than any other country. This is largely due to practical lack of access to that system for 1/4-1/3 of the population, the ridiculous overhead of the private health insurance system (5x higher than Medicare, and due in large part to executive salaries), and the fact that the pharmaceutical industry spends more on advertising than R&D. For sure, cutting Medicaid's budget will help this problem (NOT!). Having the boss of HHS being someone with an extra hole in his brain doesn't help either.

This is far off the topic of tariffs, but if you want to discuss some other major faux pas of the last 4 months (or even Trump's previous term) we can do that as well. "Hate" has nothing to do with any of that.
 
rbbert said:
I really don't know what you are talking about, but I can put forth a couple of opinions. What makes "America" (i.e., the USA) great is this country's leadership in science and technology (due in no small part to the results of research done by foreign-born scientists). How does vigorously cutting our research budget and making it unattractive for foreign "talent" (immigration policies) to relocate or even stay here for research improve or even continue that? Our health care treatment is among the best in the world, but our health outcomes are terrible despite spending far more per capita than any other country. This is largely due to practical lack of access to that system for 1/4-1/3 of the population, the ridiculous overhead of the private health insurance system (5x higher than Medicare, and due in large part to executive salaries), and the fact that the pharmaceutical industry spends more on advertising than R&D. For sure, cutting Medicaid's budget will help this problem (NOT!). Having the boss of HHS being someone with an extra hole in his brain doesn't help either.

This is far off the topic of tariffs, but if you want to discuss some other major faux pas of the last 4 months (or even Trump's previous term) we can do that as well. "Hate" has nothing to do with any of that.
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I'm sorry - as an adult I've learned not to engage those costumed with hate and delusion and instead just feel sympathy for them.

Knowing that those with TDS are literally melting down non-stop every single day it's easy to just leave them alone as they are doing more to themselves than anything anyone else can say to them.

No need to engage them as they are literally incapable of not being consumed with the hate. Look at all the liberals burning Teslas, firebombing Tesla dealers and scratching swasticas into their paint of innocent car owners. Look at the people here calling him a Nazi. Look at all the liberals calling for the death of Jewish students in the universities. Look at the liberals in the universities taking over class rooms demanding the Jewish students identify themselves so they can be "made to answer" for being Jewish. Look at the billions in damage and people killed caused by the riots and takeover of Portland and Minneapolis.

There is a licensed Psychiatrist here in my neighborhood who actually named her daughter Hillary after you know who. We just found out she has literally had a mental breakdown due to her TDS. Scary that she is giving people mental medical advice.

I pray at night TDS sufferers can find a way to purge the hate that possess them as it's only burning up their soul like the acid their hate is.

My sympathies for you sir. I will pray for your health.
 
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Michaels HiFi said:
I'm sorry - as an adult I've learned not to engage those costumed with hate and delusion and instead just feel sympathy for them.

Knowing that those with TDS are literally melting down non-stop every single day it's easy to just leave them alone as they are doing more to themselves than anything anyone else can say to them.

No need to engage them as they are literally incapable of not being consumed with the hate. Look at all the liberals burning Teslas, firebombing Tesla dealers and scratching swasticas into their paint of innocent car owners. Look at the people here calling him a Nazi. Look at all the liberals calling for the death of Jewish students in the universities. Look at the liberals in the universities taking over class rooms demanding the Jewish students identify themselves so they can be "made to answer" for being Jewish. Look at the billions in damage and people killed caused by the riots and takeover of Portland and Minneapolis.

There is a licensed Psychiatrist here in my neighborhood who actually named her daughter Hillary after you know who. We just found out she has literally had a mental breakdown due to her TDS. Scary that she is giving people mental medical advice.

I pray at night TDS sufferers can find a way to purge the hate that possess them as it's only burning up their soul like the acid their hate is.

My sympathies for you sir. I will pray for your health.
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hey 'Mikey', what the hell does that garble have to do with the implications of tariffs ????
 
Mike,

Please shut this down for our collective mental health.

There is nothing new coming and the answer to the OP’s original question will take years to play out anyway.

This community is better served if this is killed.

Craig
 
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