Tariff implications.........

atmasphere said:
Where has that happened?
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While the overall global trend shows a decline in ice, there are specific regions where ice is currently growing or experiencing slower shrinkage, particularly within Antarctica
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Here's a breakdown:
1. East Antarctica:
  • Recent Growth: Between 2021 and 2023, the Antarctic Ice Sheet (AIS) surprisingly gained mass, reversing a long-term trend of ice loss, especially in East Antarctica.
  • Specific Glaciers: Four major glacier basins in the Wilkes Land–Queen Mary Land (WL-QML) region, including the Totten, Moscow University, Denman, and Vincennes Bay glaciers, showed significant mass gains. These glaciers had been losing ice at an accelerated rate previously, but experienced a rebound due to increased snowfall.
  • Overall Trend: While parts of East Antarctica are showing growth, it's important to note that the region has also seen instances of ice loss, like the Totten, Mertz, and Nansen glaciers, which experienced net area loss between 2009 and 2019.
2. Sea Ice:
  • Variable Extent: Antarctic sea ice extent is highly variable, with periods of growth and decline.
  • Long-Term Trend: While some regions experience reductions, the overall long-term trend (since 1979) shows a slight increase in Antarctic sea ice extent.
  • Contrast with Arctic: This contrasts sharply with the Arctic, where sea ice extent has significantly declined.
  • Recent Lows: Despite the long-term trend, the Antarctic has also seen record low sea ice extents in recent years, including in 2023, raising concerns about a potential regime shift.
3. Factors Influencing Growth:
  • Increased Precipitation: Scientists attribute the recent Antarctic Ice Sheet growth primarily to increased snowfall, which adds mass to the ice sheet.
  • Complex Interactions: The factors driving Antarctic sea ice changes are complex, involving interactions between the atmosphere, ocean, and ice itself. Changes in wind patterns, ocean currents, and even the addition of cool freshwater from melting ice shelves can all play a role.
Important Considerations:
  • Variability and Trends: While some regions of Antarctica are currently gaining ice, it's essential to consider both the short-term variability and the long-term trends.
  • Global Warming: It's crucial to understand that even with localized ice growth, the broader context is one of global warming, which poses a significant threat to the Antarctic Ice Sheet and its contribution to sea-level rise.
  • Further Research: More research is needed to understand the full implications of these changes and their potential impact on the global climate system.
 
While I agree with you about not trusting large corporations— let’s not forget who owns those corporations and demand profits and stock price increases - yes, majority ownership is the middle class in their 401k’s. We all (not me, I don’t have any stocks) want the stocks to go up and bitch and complain when they don’t. Thats why the CEOs do what they do - they want to keep their jobs so they can continue to make their money. Of course most are heavily invested in the company also - so they lose in 2 ways.
 
Shadowfax said:
While the overall global trend shows a decline in ice, there are specific regions where ice is currently growing or experiencing slower shrinkage, particularly within Antarctica
.

Here's a breakdown:
1. East Antarctica:
  • Recent Growth: Between 2021 and 2023, the Antarctic Ice Sheet (AIS) surprisingly gained mass, reversing a long-term trend of ice loss, especially in East Antarctica.
  • Specific Glaciers: Four major glacier basins in the Wilkes Land–Queen Mary Land (WL-QML) region, including the Totten, Moscow University, Denman, and Vincennes Bay glaciers, showed significant mass gains. These glaciers had been losing ice at an accelerated rate previously, but experienced a rebound due to increased snowfall.
  • Overall Trend: While parts of East Antarctica are showing growth, it's important to note that the region has also seen instances of ice loss, like the Totten, Mertz, and Nansen glaciers, which experienced net area loss between 2009 and 2019.
2. Sea Ice:
  • Variable Extent: Antarctic sea ice extent is highly variable, with periods of growth and decline.
  • Long-Term Trend: While some regions experience reductions, the overall long-term trend (since 1979) shows a slight increase in Antarctic sea ice extent.
  • Contrast with Arctic: This contrasts sharply with the Arctic, where sea ice extent has significantly declined.
  • Recent Lows: Despite the long-term trend, the Antarctic has also seen record low sea ice extents in recent years, including in 2023, raising concerns about a potential regime shift.
3. Factors Influencing Growth:
  • Increased Precipitation: Scientists attribute the recent Antarctic Ice Sheet growth primarily to increased snowfall, which adds mass to the ice sheet.
  • Complex Interactions: The factors driving Antarctic sea ice changes are complex, involving interactions between the atmosphere, ocean, and ice itself. Changes in wind patterns, ocean currents, and even the addition of cool freshwater from melting ice shelves can all play a role.
Important Considerations:
  • Variability and Trends: While some regions of Antarctica are currently gaining ice, it's essential to consider both the short-term variability and the long-term trends.
  • Global Warming: It's crucial to understand that even with localized ice growth, the broader context is one of global warming, which poses a significant threat to the Antarctic Ice Sheet and its contribution to sea-level rise.
  • Further Research: More research is needed to understand the full implications of these changes and their potential impact on the global climate system.
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After me the deluge. What is your source? In my opinion this is not true and only made by people as an excuse not to do a damn thing about emissions and continue and even increasing the burning of oil and gas.

The consequences are serious, for my country a rise of a sea level by multiple tens of metres which will make the coastline undefendable against incoming water.
 
NewAlkyogre said:
After me the deluge. What is your source? In my opinion this is not true and only made by people as an excuse not to do a damn thing about emissions and continue and even increasing the burning of oil and gas.

The consequences are serious, for my country a rise of a sea level by multiple tens of metres which will make the coastline undefendable against incoming water.
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According to Al Gore, the world should all be under water some 20 or more years ago.
The source of what I posted was from Google AI. Google is far from right/conservative and always brings the fake news articles up first so it surprised me also. I have seen the same studies noted in a podcast I listen to also. I did say earlier we should all be conscience of the environment but not too the detriment of our own society.

And in the last 30 years, just how much has the sea level really changed where you are?
 
Shadowfax said:
And in the last 30 years, just how much has the sea level really changed where you are?
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Totally FWIW Dept.: My mom had a house on Ft Myers Beach Island. She had a dock; when she bought the house high tide was about a foot below the deck. But after 20 years of ownership, she noticed that the water was getting over the deck of the dock and into her neighbor's back yard. She figured either the ocean was rising or the land was sinking; either way time to leave.

Also FWIW Al Gore never said anything like that. Reuters fact check Its easy to see how this got misinterpreted, since he was being apocryphal anyway.
 
atmasphere said:
Totally FWIW Dept.: My mom had a house on Ft Myers Beach Island. She had a dock; when she bought the house high tide was about a foot below the deck. But after 20 years of ownership, she noticed that the water was getting over the deck of the dock and into her neighbor's back yard. She figured either the ocean was rising or the land was sinking; either way time to leave.

Also FWIW Al Gore never said anything like that. Reuters fact check Its easy to see how this got misinterpreted, since he was being apocryphal anyway.
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I thought Gore never said that, but I did not have the fact check to make a statement. Anyone who is not paying attention, the number of terrible destruction by storms (fires, tornadoes, Hurricanes, etc.) have increased dramatically. The strength and numbers have increased and are a direct cause of climate change and warming. Anyone denning this is not using their heads.
 
atmasphere said:
Totally FWIW Dept.: My mom had a house on Ft Myers Beach Island. She had a dock; when she bought the house high tide was about a foot below the deck. But after 20 years of ownership, she noticed that the water was getting over the deck of the dock and into her neighbor's back yard. She figured either the ocean was rising or the land was sinking; either way time to leave.

Also FWIW Al Gore never said anything like that. Reuters fact check Its easy to see how this got misinterpreted, since he was being apocryphal anyway.
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Bottom line is that over the last 50+ years we have been fed the Doomsday lines and pretty much, other than the ocean levels rising a few inches and a few other small things, most of it never happened.

 
Oh, yeah. Same story, different emergency....and paying the gub'ment more will obviously solve the issue. Excuse my French but BS.

I remember growing up and hearing that global cooling, and an ice age was coming. Then acid rain was gonna kill us all. Now it's global warming. Sprinkle a few other random BS scare tactics and you have what we call hysteria. It's called cyclic activity. Take a look at the past 18,000 years >>> https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth107/node/1506

As for piers, they do sink. There are multiple factors that will cause this.

Tom
 
Shadowfax said:
Bottom line is that over the last 50+ years we have been fed the Doomsday lines and pretty much, other than the ocean levels rising a few inches and a few other small things, most of it never happened.

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Hm. I just read that article. Its a bit apocryphal in its own right most out of what seems like contempt. And of course 'opinion' is right there in the URL.

Its hard for humans to really have perspective on things like climate change, since our time here is so brief. But I remember back in the 1970s we would see -35F in the Twin Cities and it wasn't that weird. Nowadays that doesn't happen all that much and when it gets that cold up north people here make a big deal about it.

Its easy to see that the last ten years are the hottest on record. We've not been keeping records that long though.

Around Helena, MT, no-one disputes climate change since the cold used to kill the bark beetles. Now the larger pine trees in the area are dead because bark beetles are surviving the winters (which we are starting to see here in Minnesota too). The dispute is whether its man-made or natural.
treitz3 said:
Oh, yeah. Same story, different emergency....and paying the gub'ment more will obviously solve the issue. Excuse my French but BS.

I remember growing up and hearing that global cooling, and an ice age was coming. Then acid rain was gonna kill us all. Now it's global warming. Sprinkle a few other random BS scare tactics and you have what we call hysteria. It's called cyclic activity. Take a look at the past 18,000 years >>> https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth107/node/1506

As for piers, they do sink. There are multiple factors that will cause this.

Tom
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They do indeed! That may not explain the intrusion into the neighbor's yard. Or it might. Good time to sell either way.
 
atmasphere said:
Totally FWIW Dept.: My mom had a house on Ft Myers Beach Island. She had a dock; when she bought the house high tide was about a foot below the deck. But after 20 years of ownership, she noticed that the water was getting over the deck of the dock and into her neighbor's back yard. She figured either the ocean was rising or the land was sinking; either way time to leave.

Also FWIW Al Gore never said anything like that. Reuters fact check Its easy to see how this got misinterpreted, since he was being apocryphal anyway.
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From Google AI:

"No, ocean water levels in Florida have not risen by 1 foot over the past 20 years. In the past 23 years, the sea has risen 3 inches. While sea level rise is accelerating, particularly in South Florida, a 1-foot rise is not expected to happen in the next 20 years."
 
mep said:
From Google AI:

"No, ocean water levels in Florida have not risen by 1 foot over the past 20 years. In the past 23 years, the sea has risen 3 inches. While sea level rise is accelerating, particularly in South Florida, a 1-foot rise is not expected to happen in the next 20 years."
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Yes. I didn't say water levels were rising. My mom correctly surmised that it was time to move on. It was anecdotal.
 
atmasphere said:
Its hard for humans to really have perspective on things like climate change, since our time here is so brief.
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It's really simple actually.

It was really hot with the dinosaurs.

Then it got cold and we had an ice age.

Then is warmed up and melted.

Number of humans involved that we can blame for this: ZERO.

Climate ALWAYS changes and HAS always changed. To think we have any control over it or suddenly it's started to change is silly.
 
NASA says that sea level has gone up 4” over the last 30 years. Since 1993.

That appears to be in line with the scientific consensus that since the last ice age - 11,700 years ago that global sea level has gone up about 125 feet. With peaks being about 3’ per century.
 
atmasphere said:
Yes. I didn't say water levels were rising. My mom correctly surmised that it was time to move on. It was anecdotal.
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You have an excuse for everything you say. You said the water levels at your mom's home rose by a foot over 20 years at high tide. I think that was pretty clear for all to see.
 
Michaels HiFi said:
It's really simple actually.

It was really hot with the dinosaurs.

Then it got cold and we had an ice age.

Then is warmed up and melted.

Number of humans involved that we can blame for this: ZERO.

Climate ALWAYS changes and HAS always changed. To think we have any control over it or suddenly it's started to change is silly.
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Yes- even if we are influencing it, its really obvious humans have no control!

The Younger Dryas (named for a wildflower) interrupted the warming trend at the end of the last Ice Age. It's an excellent example of how quickly Earth's climate can shift.


mep said:
You have an excuse for everything you say. You said the water levels at your mom's home rose by a foot over 20 years at high tide. I think that was pretty clear for all to see.
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That's not an excuse. You seem to be creating meaning where none existed prior, which has resulted in a made up story. I was simply commenting that happened. As I pointed out at the time, she surmised it was time to leave regardless of the cause.
 
the professor said:
NASA says that sea level has gone up 4” over the last 30 years. Since 1993.

That appears to be in line with the scientific consensus that since the last ice age - 11,700 years ago that global sea level has gone up about 125 feet. With peaks being about 3’ per century.
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Ralph said the high tide at his mother's house went up by 1' over 20 years. Once I showed him it wasn't true, he says he never claimed the water levels was rising at his mother's house in Florida.
 
Michaels HiFi said:
It's really simple actually.

It was really hot with the dinosaurs.

Then it got cold and we had an ice age.

Then is warmed up and melted.

Number of humans involved that we can blame for this: ZERO.

Climate ALWAYS changes and HAS always changed. To think we have any control over it or suddenly it's started to change is silly.
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Well, depending on what camp you are in, there are those that are currently manipulating the weather for the purpose of driving the Green New Scam. There is also Geoengineering and it is now suspected that chemtrail substances have been added to Jet Fuel to the point where just about every plane now leaves trails that are not JUST Contrails or they would dissipate in a short time and not join with other trails to form straight line clouds. Also, has anyone noticed that 40 years ago we had totally white fluffy clouds like they show at the beginning of The Simpsons. Now every cloud you see that might be white on top has a dark gray underbelly. Something has changed and yes it is man made but not what they want us all to believe.
 
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