Switched to Class D or get left behind?

Mr Peabody said:
Made up or not you still misspelled it. You failed. If I'm wrong in any place you have to explain. Whatever you say he didn't make some cheap chip and then charge a high price for it. There's still much more that goes int an amp that makes it perform well and those additional parts cost, even as I showed you this applies to Class D as well. Bruno's amps are some of the more expensive around.
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Yes and some are quite CHEAP. Tear into the fact they started quite cheap.............so long for now.
 
Hear Here said:
And you seem to accept that the writing is on the wall for hugely costly stuff that only a few buy - and they do that primarily to satisfy their own vanity rather than to seek best sound quality.
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Read the post by Mike today on the industry as a whole. It seems high end audio has risen year over year and has no end in sight. Us forum members may think we are in the know. My assumption is Gryphon, MSB, Magico etc are aware the growth curve and profiting off it. I haven't seen any news indicating the rich are running out of money. Far from it. Growth is robust. More middle class when up than down. Worldwide there is a vast market of people that pull cash from their front pocket and buy a $200,000 amp like we buy coffee. High end isn't going anywhere.
 
I want all-end audio to grown. The more people come into this hobby, the more it grows, the more we all benefit from it.

I do think there is class-warfare in this hobby more than in other hobbies that makes us our own biggest enemies.

Take cameras for instance - there is certainly brand tribal warfare, but not price-point warfare like in hifi.
 
Mr Peabody said:
I wouldn't even have heard of you if you weren't here on the site.
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Ditto. Plenty have heard of me/my handiwork at shows, in their living rooms etc. for well over a decade. I'm out in the real world outside your tiny bubble, demoing sound way beyond JBL/ML ;-).
Mr Peabody said:
You can't even debate you have to write things I didn't even say. Your comprehension can't be much.
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Your own words are your undoing. We get it, the Caltech study shows whats going on only in your mind, not the real world. Your entire argument/evidence to support claims are "I said so".
 
Mr Peabody said:
Bruno Putzeys worked at Philips, where he became deeply involved in Class D amplifier design.
He later joined Hypex Electronics, where he developed the highly regarded UcD and later NCore amplifier technologies. NCore became one of the benchmarks for high-performance Class D
There's still much more that goes int an amp that makes it perform well and those additional parts cost, even as I showed you this applies to Class D as well. Bruno's amps are some of the more expensive around.
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Comical use of AI when actual knowledge is void. UcD and NCore stereo amps can be had for less than $1k. Coming from the same guy who said
Mr Peabody said:
Also, it's stupid to take a $25k speaker and connect it to $5k of electronics and say you've heard the best that speaker can do. For the record your components should about equal in ability throughout the chain.
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Comedy gold :)
 
RepublicOfTexas69 said:
Yes and some are quite CHEAP. Tear into the fact they started quite cheap.............so long for now.
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LOL, knew you couldn't ignore me. You can buy amps with his original chips made while he was with other companies but they aren't nothing like Purifi or the amps he makes now so your argument is moot. All you are saying there are cheap chips and expensive chips. Thanks Mr. Obvious.
 
Mr Peabody said:
LOL, knew you couldn't ignore me. You can buy amps with his original chips made while he was with other companies but they aren't nothing like Purifi or the amps he makes now so your argument is moot. All you are saying there are cheap chips and expensive chips. Thanks Mr. Obvious.
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You're really embarrassing yourself here. Chips?? This isn't Frito Lays.
And the Purifis are direct descendants of UcD>Ncore, just more refined in terms of numbers. He made inaudible more inaudible. Then put the $90 wine tag on for you.
 
Michaels HiFi said:
I want all-end audio to grown. The more people come into this hobby, the more it grows, the more we all benefit from it.

I do think there is class-warfare in this hobby more than in other hobbies that makes us our own biggest enemies.

Take cameras for instance - there is certainly brand tribal warfare, but not price-point warfare like in hifi.
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The only enemy is our own conscious. Look at the snake oil QSA crowd. Its hard for people to look and laugh at what they pay for a $5 fuse or cable. Instead we internally get anxious that maybe, just maybe they are listening to something that is better than what I have because they paid $3000 or a Busman fuse that had a wand waved over it. If you can control your own internal dialog, then there is no conflict. You simply laugh and move on.
 
AJ Soundfield said:
You're really embarrassing yourself here. Chips?? This isn't Frito Lays.
And the Purifis are direct descendants of UcD>Ncore, just more refined in terms of numbers. He made inaudible more inaudible. Then put the $90 wine tag on for you.
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As I stated in an earlier post there is more to the better amps than just the chip. Mola Mola for example has a custom buffer stage, better power supply and output stage. The entire amp is engineered as a package. I'm sure the chassis lends to the cost. Many of the cheaper Class D benefit from direct to consumer sales as well where other brands have a dealer network to support. The cheaper brands also use more off the shelf components.

So it's not as you say where one sells apples for $10 and another sells the same apples for $100.00 There's a difference and it's up to the customer to decide if they want to pay for the difference. You and others for some reason get all up in arms just because some find the difference worth it. Of course, what else would a jester do for fun?
 
Mr Peabody said:
LOL, knew you couldn't ignore me. You can buy amps with his original chips made while he was with other companies but they aren't nothing like Purifi or the amps he makes now so your argument is moot. All you are saying there are cheap chips and expensive chips. Thanks Mr. Obvious.
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Your welcome Mr P. Conversing with you is like wrestling a pig in mud, the pig likes it. Never have been a Bruno guy or cared much Purifi amplifiers, had a few and unloaded them FAST. Now GaN I am all in on as well as Canor Class D Hybrid. Otherwise it's A A/B and G for me.
 
Mr Peabody said:
As I stated in an earlier post there is more to the better amps than just the chip.
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In your zero engineering knowledge opinion, you rely strictly on what marketers tell you is "better"...in this case the $90 wine pricetag.
These aren't "chip" amps like gainclones et al. Maybe stick to AI for your answers.
Mr Peabody said:
Mola Mola for example has a custom buffer stage, better power supply and output stage. The entire amp is engineered as a package. I'm sure the chassis lends to the cost. Many of the cheaper Class D benefit from direct to consumer sales as well where other brands have a dealer network to support. The cheaper brands also use more off the shelf components.
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All marketing and irrelevant to sound>ears. Some are highly susceptible to it. Once again, you have no clue about the engineering other than what you are being marketed. Only thing that matters is the electrical output at your speaker terminals and you have zero evidence of "better" there, except maybe some idiotic "SINAD" popular with cults.
Mr Peabody said:
So it's not as you say where one sells apples for $10 and another sells the same apples for $100.00 There's a difference and it's up to the customer to decide if they want to pay for the difference.
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That is exactly what it is, 10 vs 90 until you demonstrate one "better" to ears, which of course, you can't. You decide strictly by the marketing price you know of.
Mr Peabody said:
You and others for some reason get all up in arms just because some find the difference worth it.
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No one is up in arms except those who have only belief and no evidence, it creates deep unease.,..and reliance on AI.
Mr Peabody said:
Of course, what else would a jester do for fun?
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Laugh at those who have minds highly susceptible to marketing, programmable like a chip. 😊
 
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RepublicOfTexas69 said:
Some fantastic Malbec from the Mendoza region of Argentina that are under $14 I really enjoy Alamos.
Love putting on the Birth of Cool and having a glass in the evening love to Wine Down a busy day or week.
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I agree about there being a lot of fantastic wines for not a lot of money.

I spent a lot of time in the French Riviera for work and fell in love with their Rose's (and cuisine).

Other than that I prefer a particular French vodka mixed with French carbonated lemonade. Cool, refreshing and packs a punch.
 
I like many of the Finger Lake wines. Easy to drink and mostly economical. There are a few in the $30 range that are excellent as well as what Bully Hill puts out for $11 per bottle.

As per Class D, I am not switching but did just order a little chip amp to drive my Dynaudio 42s in my office setup. Won't be here until Sunday.
 
RepublicOfTexas69 said:
Yes and some are quite CHEAP. Tear into the fact they started quite cheap.............so long for now.
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Technology advances, surface-mount components, and robotic assembly have made high-quality drastically cheaper nowadays. Purifi and Hypex have proven that astronomical price isn't what delivers better results.

In fact super-clean ultra-low distortion amplification has essentially become a commodity. What costs is when you want to pick & choose amongst various types and degrees of distortion.
 
Who here thinks you could put a Purifi or Hypex with say 300 watts against a Thrax, or Gryphon or Boulder on a Wilson Alex V and in a blind test people could not tell them apart, or would prefer the Class D??

I have a friend messing with speaker making. He is direct coupling each driver to the amp using Paragon I think, 5 channel amps. Each speaker at this time has 2 woofers, 2 midrange and a single tweeter. He has tried to use that same brand amp, which is Class AB, as well as 500 watt class D plate amps to drive a sub he also made. I think 12 inch, maybe 15 inch drivers in a sealed box. He says the only amp that drive is effectively and effortlessly blends the sub to the main speakers is a Krell KSA250.
He use a lot of software to measure and calibrate his equipment. He is doing it right.

What is it that allows a 250 watt class A/B amp to control the driver better than a 500 watt class D amp or another Class AB 100 watt amp.
 
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Kingrex said:
Who here thinks you could put a Purifi or Hypex with say 300 watts against a Thrax, or Gryphon or Boulder on a Wilson Alex V and in a blind test people could not tell them apart?
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Me. But I'd be happy to look at evidence to the contrary. You know the Alex is a 1-2ohm pathological case load, no?
Or is that a requirement for a gotcha??

Kingrex said:
I have a friend messing with speaker making. He is direct coupling each driver to the amp using Parasound, I think, 5 channel amps. Each speaker at this time has 2 woofers, 2 midrange and a single tweeter. He has tried to use that same brand amp, which is Class AB, as well as 500 watt class D plate amps to drive a sub he also made. I think 12 inch, maybe 15 inch drivers in a sealed box. He says the only amp that drive is effectively and effortlessly blends the sub to the main speakers is a Krell KSA250.
He use a lot of software to measure and calibrate his equipment. He is doing it right.
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Cool story bro. A bit fuzzy on the details though. Especially the middle part. What "500w D plate" driving what 12 maybe 15 sub?
Kingrex said:
What is it that allows a 250 watt class A/B amp to control the driver better than a 500 watt class D amp or another Class AB 100 watt amp.
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Ever heard of Wishful Thinking Fallacy?
 
Michaels HiFi said:
And that's why so many of today's amps sound boring. lifeless and sterile. But the people who listen with their eyes are happy.
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I listen with my ears. However I find a very high correlation between the sound I like, (detailed, transparent and with deep, articulate bass), and ultra-low distortion components. In terms of amplification you can get these qualities in a US$2000 amplifier that will drive virtually any speaker in a home environment.

If you want"musicality" maybe you won't, but of course it depends on your personal definition of "musical". As I implied, if you like distortion, the sky's the limit for cost.

By the way, I listen mostly to Classical music. Recent (and many older) Classical recording have excellent sound, and I find that it takes low distortion equipment to extract the most from these recordings. Maybe the genres' recordings you prefer are less demanding.
 
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