Head-fi is the best place to check for Audio GD DACs.
Standalone DACs under $10k?
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Head-fi is the best place to check for Audio GD DACs.
Even a $3k Innuos Zen or Auralic G1 will outperform a Falcon when it comes to feeding the DAC directly with native resolution.
Randy Myers
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Trying to see how many one/two line post you can make. You two really are proving how cool you are. Like little kids that think if they keep talking people will listen. Guess what Devg and Rex, we stopped listening to you 8-15 posts ago.
Of course I understand that you two know more about everything then everyone else. So of course it is impossible to ever have a civil discussion with either of you.
Have a good life. bye bye now.
Of course I understand that you two know more about everything then everyone else. So of course it is impossible to ever have a civil discussion with either of you.
Have a good life. bye bye now.
Kingrex
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Randy, I know you too well to have you get your undies that crumpled up in a bunch. So I don't respect your server. Big deal. I only make the point as I'm pretty passionate about digital as I have been in it since the days of hot rodding Mac Minis. I have gutted and rebuilt my fair share. And I gave up with that fling when it became quite apparent the professional building them were eclipsing anything the DIY guy can do. A Falcon is a fast gaming computer. That does not make a music server. Its a fine machine for the budget you have. I noted earlier I did not upgrade mine to the latest and greatest. I have a budget too. We all do. We get what fits in it. But its untrue to say your Falcon meets the performance levels of machines built by experts in digital audio building a single purpose device. Your misleading buyers.
Randy Myers
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Rex, I only respond because I have considered you a friend. The thing you are wrong about is saying I am misleading buyers. What? I am not selling a darn thing, we were giving opinions and having a discussion until Devg started getting personal, which he seems to do in any discussion he joins. You adding on, piling on if you will did bother me.
I know you are all about the power and that is cool. It is important but it is not the only thing. Enough said there.
Yes Falcon makes the best gaming rigs, but they do not only make computers for gaming. I know the guys well, and have visited their offices in Medford so I do know a bit about them. They make computers at a higher level then the other guys. I know of one company that purchased 25 machines from them, not for gaming.
They do have access to a higher grade of parts (they get the pick of the liter so to speak) and design and build their own cases, better than most. That is what you get when you have been custom building computers for 30 years. I also have been a computer professional for about 40 years. I have an idea of what makes a computer tick. At this point I will leave it at that.
Huh ? I thought we are having quiet a civilian and technical discussion. Does anybody think otherwise ?
This thread was going healthy until you posted your nonsense. It's not about us knowing everything, it's about what we have experience with. Unlike many, I don't post in each and every thread where I have ZERO experience.
I have to say you have very novice experience at best with anything related to computer audio and your post speaks volume of itself. Some of us are hardcore DIY'er and have spent countless time and money over years. When others advocate nonsense its very clear. All you can do (and as you have done in the past) when you can't technically argue, is to put the blame on others and start derogating comments and name calling :sigh:
Humm..I tried to help improving your computer audio but I didn't realize some would take it personally if someone pointed out the drawbacks.
How is this remotely related to Audio ?
I will ask again - what custom built parts does Falcon Northwest use that are good for Audio ?
Jack
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Not sure what any of this nonsense has to do with Jeff's original question which was strictly about DAC's and had nothing to do with streamer technology which he made very clear a while back. He has one and doesn't intend to change or add.
This other stuff had been beaten to death on multiple occasions by the same group in more thread jackings than I can count and always ends up the same way.
This other stuff had been beaten to death on multiple occasions by the same group in more thread jackings than I can count and always ends up the same way.
Randy Myers
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You are right Jack, we were discussing DACs and some questions were asked that led down other paths. I got sucked in and therefor I do apologize to the OP.
u-sound
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not even the NASA my friend.
maybe they sold you that and are still laughing about the guy who came from far away
best you can do is to configurate a very LOW grade machine (small processor etc)
for example a fanless pc with solid alu case. no vibration and dead silent, external power supply
brentford O125 Lautlos HTPC | brentford.com
when folks are asking about DACs and people are recommending T+A, which in turn needs up-sampling to sounds its best, it is extremely important to discuss what encompasses around it. I have heard the T+A in my system and without up-sampling from HQP, it sounds pretty ordinary (at least to my ears) and in today's market there are far better sounding DACs which doesn't need up-sampling. Another friend bought T+A some years back and based on a forum discussion like this and nobody pointed out that he needed an up-sampling sever and his Innous does not have the capability to upsample to DSD128, let alone to 512. The guy struggled to get a good sound and finally had to sell it.
It has nothing to do with streaming and nobody suggested anything remotely. So I don't think its a nonsense at all. If you can't feed the DAC with a signal that it expects and designed for, all bets are off.
Kingrex
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I brought it up much earlier as digital music is not just a DAC. It needs a good signal. Your existing DAC may actually be pretty good. It might suffer from an insufficient source. Changing to a better signal/server may give more bang for your buck than getting a new DAC. I was only trying to bring into focus the whole of the picture when it comes to digital music.
I am happy to leave this all at that too.
Jack
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But that's not the point of this thread Rex. The OP is having issues with just the DAC functionally and wants to change his DAC. He made that clear but this nonsense starts every time someone asks for a simple DAC recommendation based on other members personal experience. All you had to do was recommend a DAC you own or have owned and move on.
Jack
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Dev
Jeff made it pretty clear in post #21 that he new what was required for the T+A and was not interested. He doesn't appear to be a novice who acts blindly without doing his research.
Jeff made it pretty clear in post #21 that he new what was required for the T+A and was not interested. He doesn't appear to be a novice who acts blindly without doing his research.
Jack, yes I agree and I was surprised that folks was suggesting T+A in-spite of Jeff explicitly saying that he doesn't care about up-sampling and neither has plans. So I wanted to make it clear for the sake of future readers what it entrails. I know it went a bit off and I do apologize for it.
Threads here that stay on topic tend to quickly die. IMO this one is staying more on topic than most, and the issues discussed are relevant. Like most components DACs don’t operate in a vacuum. Who would try to claim that one amp works best for any speaker system, or vice-versa? A big reason there were dedicated servers even before streaming became popular in the audiophile world is simply that personal computers, whether Windows Mac or Linux OS and hardware, are not designed or built for that task and unsurprisingly don’t function for it as well as a purpose-built component. It’s not clear to me why there should be controversy about it?
If you want an audiophile forum where threads stay on topic more than most try Audionirvana; except for the music threads, very few are more than 2 pages (most are only 1)
If you want an audiophile forum where threads stay on topic more than most try Audionirvana; except for the music threads, very few are more than 2 pages (most are only 1)
If you want an audiophile forum where threads stay on topic more than most try Audionirvana; except for the music threads, very few are more than 2 pages (most are only 1)
Please note that this post is only an addendum to the post directly above and should not be read or quoted otherwise.
Please note that this post is only an addendum to the post directly above and should not be read or quoted otherwise.
Randy Myers
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Mike you and this forum are very special and very much appreciated. This is by far the best forum I have ever encountered. Yes I admit I get my dander up sometimes, but I do try to put both logic and thought behind what I post. I also try extremely hard to always have respect and consideration in my posts (and for the most part I have been successful in this endeavor). I do apologies for the times I have been derailed but that has never ever been to have any negative affect on this amazing forum you run (pretty dam good audio seller also
).
mep
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As far as I know this is not a bad thing to do when possible, although I doubt it will make a big difference. I did replace the power supply on my Recovery with a LPS. I believe the difference was minimal at best, but certainly did not hurt anything. I did choose the best power supply money can buy for my computer, which should be good enough
I thought your computer power supply is a SMPS.