Spotify faces $1.6 Billion Problem

Will any music streaming services be left for us to listen to?

Ken
 
DSkip said:
So sell some speakers and bail them out Mike!
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Ha! I wish. You do have to wonder if streaming music is a viable long term business model. I would think, unless you're Apple and can use it as one of your hooks for selling hardware, I'm not sure it's viable.

If streaming went away, it would suck, but we would just go back to buying CD's, downloads and records. I'm not sure we've had streaming long enough to consider it a "new normal".
 
Mike

Streaming service could also make sense for the major cable providers like Comcast, Verizon, AT&T or even Rogers in Canada. They are already in the TV, video streaming and ISP business. Also appears they are more capable of dealing with copyright issues with years of practice.
 
Jack said:
Mike

Streaming service could also make sense for the major cable providers like Comcast, Verizon, AT&T or even Rogers in Canada. They are already in the TV, video streaming and ISP business. Also appears they are more capable of dealing with copyright issues with years of practice.
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Yes, that's a good point. It's funny you mention Rogers in Canada, my Dad was one of Ted Rogers' first employees (#2). I heard some great stories of how they got started in the 50's, the first few employees mortgaging their own homes to help the company (can you imagine that happening today?) and the amazing growth. Those early employees like my Dad were rewarded with "never ever ever to be fired" badges by Ted. Even as the company grew to thousands of employees, Ted maintained a list of those first few employees who were the believers and that list had their names on it - with a never to be fired badge.

I remember hearing the intimate stories in the 70's and 80's of the struggles as Ted almost went bankrupt a dozen times due to his aggressive growth goals. But in the end, he got the last laugh building an empire from that young man named Ted Rogers who knocked on my Grandfathers door in the 1950's with just an idea and said, "Doc, I need your help. I need you to convince the farmers to let me run cable on their land so I can put a huge antenna on that building, bring the channels from the city to the rural areas and sell cable TV." My Grandfather said, "you give my son a job who loves this Television stuff and I'll get you your God Damn permit." What a story.
 
It also would make sense for the recording studios to stream their catalogs. But that would be a PITA to have to deal with each individual studio. They need a central service to handle all studios, and insure everyone makes money. Then again, would a public used to free file sharing, and even radio, go with a monthly bill likely to rival cable TV just to hear music?
 
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Mike

And on top of that now they also do baseball with the Blue Jays, so a full service provider. They and Comcast make the most sense as they have the largest market share and could easily bundle it in for a cost less than what you could expect out of Apple. Or if not a current customer you just sign-up online like now. Their infrastructure would also seem to be more readily upgradeable.
 
Mike said:
Ha! I wish. You do have to wonder if streaming music is a viable long term business model. I would think, unless you're Apple and can use it as one of your hooks for selling hardware, I'm not sure it's viable.

If streaming went away, it would suck, but we would just go back to buying CD's, downloads and records. I'm not sure we've had streaming long enough to consider it a "new normal".
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If streaming isn't viable, the entire industry probably isn't. But Spotify etc. can always raise prices at some point just like Netflix has.
 
Does it make sense that the streaming model is essentially consumer direct with more control and without advertisement versus the radio model having to attract business and promotion to reach the customer. Either way, revenue needs to be generated but I like the idea of streaming what I want and when...there’s a lot more to this and maybe others can pipe in, but in the end I don’t see this going away anytime soon.


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Keith

At some point if the services continue to try to expand their market share the infrastructure problems that Tidal is facing will get the other two major players unless they partner up with or sell out to someone with the content delivery capacity. So far Qobuz and Spotify have restrained themselves in the "free trial" arena.
 
Bud

And no doubt they will as Comcast has been to court multiple times over that issue with the video streaming services. It is why it makes more sense for them to buy Tidal than Apple. Even though they have more capitol and devices on paper they would get throttled too and may even be now with just their own service. In today's environment it may come down to however controls the ISP wins.
 
Mike said:
Yes, that's a good point. It's funny you mention Rogers in Canada, my Dad was one of Ted Rogers' first employees (#2). I heard some great stories of how they got started in the 50's, the first few employees mortgaging their own homes to help the company (can you imagine that happening today?) and the amazing growth. Those early employees like my Dad were rewarded with "never ever ever to be fired" badges by Ted. Even as the company grew to thousands of employees, Ted maintained a list of those first few employees who were the believers and that list had their names on it - with a never to be fired badge.

I remember hearing the intimate stories in the 70's and 80's of the struggles as Ted almost went bankrupt a dozen times due to his aggressive growth goals. But in the end, he got the last laugh building an empire from that young man named Ted Rogers who knocked on my Grandfathers door in the 1950's with just an idea and said, "Doc, I need your help. I need you to convince the farmers to let me run cable on their land so I can put a huge antenna on that building, bring the channels from the city to the rural areas and sell cable TV." My Grandfather said, "you give my son a job who loves this Television stuff and I'll get you your God Damn permit." What a story.
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WOW!!! Houston, we have a new playing field!!!
 
If Tidal fails I'll just go to youtube HD files for the replacement.... within reason of course. Well I do happen to have a Doppler system you know....
 
If streaming services was going down i would really feel it as a los. As i dont have much space so even having 530 CD´s like i currently have saved on Tidal would be a struggle , let alone all the CD´s one can try out to see if its something to like or not. Thanks to the threads on what people are listening to here i have had many new artists come up that i would never have experienced otherwise.

Flemming
 
My perspective is that streaming will survive. Going through growing pains to sort out legal and financial models.

Companies are betting and investing heavily in content. ISPs are going after content to remain relevant.

Technology advances and their application continue to disrupt traditional models. And, this tech cycle is just getting started!
 
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