Speaker Cables For Raidho D3s

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Hi guys! (Ohh I wish there were more girls....:P)

I figure its time to quit lurking.
I am exploring alternative speaker cabling for my (soon to be) new Raidho D3s. (thanks Ken!:celebrate008_2:)
I currently have Nordost Valhalla V2s and was wondering what other Cables to put on my short list.
My local dealer says the Ansuz Diamonds would be ideal at about the same money, but I would like to stem the bleeding somewhat, so a slightly more inexpensive cable with excellent synergy between the D3 V2s and my Devialet D400s would be ideal.
Thanks guys and welcome to my neuroses. :exciting:

Kerry

Esoteric UX-1 universal player-Memory player 32 core-Devialet D400 with Audioprana AES-EBU umbilical-Jamo R909s-Atlas Mavros S/PDIF-Valhalla V2 speaker cable-Entreq Poseidon.
 
Ansuz C-series or Crystal Cable comes to mind. Or the new Au24SX series from Audience if you want the most for the buck.

/ Marcus
 
I had great success with my D3s using Kimber Kable's KS-6063. I know of a couple of other Shark members who used them with D3s, also.
 
I also use the Kimber Select. When I compared them to the Ansuz Diamond (original ones) I owned at the time, I thought it was a toss up and ended up keeping the Kimber.
 
Musicfirst said:
Hi guys! (Ohh I wish there were more girls....:P)

I figure its time to quit lurking.
I am exploring alternative speaker cabling for my (soon to be) new Raidho D3s.
I currently have Nordost Valhalla V2s and was wondering what other Cables to put on my short list.
My local dealer says the Ansuz Diamonds would be ideal at about the same money, but I would like to stem the bleeding somewhat, so a slightly more inexpensive cable with excellent synergy between the D3 V2s and my Devialet D400s would be ideal.
Thanks guys and welcome to my neuroses. :exciting:

Kerry

Esoteric UX-1 universal player-Memory player 32 core-Devialet D400 with Audioprana AES-EBU umbilical-Jamo R909s-Atlas Mavros S/PDIF-Valhalla V2 speaker cable-Entreq Poseidon.
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I currently own the Raidho D3 V2. I have moved from the Ansuz Ceramic up to the Diamond loom. Ansuz cables are voiced for Raidho. The Raidho speakers are internally wired with Ansuz, at least over the last couple of years. I have zero bass issues in my room with my electronics and the Ansuz cables. I recently tried an upper tier brand of other cables and a small amount of more bass was presented. Not objectionable but a bit more than the Ansuz.

I bought into the loom theory of cabling some time ago. More experienced hands know how to mix and match and get similar results. Cabling is a highly subjective area and cost/benefit varies wildly. I would listen to the voices here that know how to mix and match other brands.

If possible get a loaner set of your finalists prospects to A/B them against each other.

Just know that the D3's are fussy speakers. Much extra effort is required to coax the best out of them. But once you do...
 
the professor said:
I also use the Kimber Select. When I compared them to the Ansuz Diamond (original ones) I owned at the time, I thought it was a toss up and ended up keeping the Kimber.
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Jock

Which KS did you prefer over the Ansuz Diamond?

Kerry
 
I'm using Transparent Audio Opus SC's with my D3's and am happy with the result. I've been a TA interconnect and SC user for the past 20+ years though so I am probably biased.

Cincy
 
You're welcome Kerry!

I'm using the Kimber Select KS-6063 speaker cables with the Raidho D-3, Version 2 and they sound outstanding. I went with the Kimber Select because my dealer, David Baskin, told me they sounded just as good as the Ansuz Diamond but were a lot less money. I've also heard the Ansuz Diamond with the D-3, Version 2 in a different system and I couldn't hear any material difference between the Diamond and the KS-6063.

However, Nordost Valhalla 2 are tremendous cables and should be a great match for the Raidho D-3, V2. In fact, Raidho used to use Nordost speaker cable inside their speakers. Perhaps Flexible Audio (Paul) will chime in. Paul has placed a great deal of effort into properly matching gear for his Raidho D-3, V2. His choice for speaker cables was Nordost Valhalla 2.

Best,
Ken
 
Odyssey said:
I have zero bass issues in my room with my electronics and the Ansuz cables. I recently tried an upper tier brand of other cables and a small amount of more bass was presented. Not objectionable but a bit more than the Ansuz.

I bought into the loom theory of cabling some time ago. More experienced hands know how to mix and match and get similar results. Cabling is a highly subjective area and cost/benefit varies wildly. I would listen to the voices here that know how to mix and match other brands.

If possible get a loaner set of your finalists prospects to A/B them against each other.

Just know that the D3's are fussy speakers. Much extra effort is required to coax the best out of them. But once you do...
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Hi Le Roy

You say you now have zero bass issues with your D3 V2s in your room. Can you detail your room dimensions and treatments? What other cables did you try that had slightly more, but not objectionable bass?

Thanks

Kerry
 
Musicfirst said:
Hi Le Roy

You say you now have zero bass issues with your D3 V2s in your room. Can you detail your room dimensions and treatments? What other cables did you try that had slightly more, but not objectionable bass?

Thanks

Kerry
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My room dimensions are approximately 12 X 16 rounded off. I have corner bass traps on the front wall (wall behind the speakers). That's it for bass treatment. I have small QRD panels on the back wall for diffusion and RPG BAD panels at the first reflection point. I've actually been pulling treatments out of the room over the last several years at the behest of the designer of Raidho speakers. Raidho's like a lively room.

In my system with my speakers over the last couple of years I have tried out, Audioquest, Nordost Odin, Kimber, MG Audio Design, Tara Labs and Siltech. I am not saying that Ansuz is better than any of the other cables. I am saying that for my system in my room(s) that Ansuz more closely suited my tastes. One other item of note. Raidho's can be better served with an amp with a higher damping factor. The solution amps I have in both of my locations possess a damping factor of 10,000. A very nice grip. I would look for an amp that has at least 500 and 1000 is even better. Of course it's not that simple output impedance of the amp matters too. Here is an oversimplified explanation:

http://www.crownaudio.com/media/pdf/amps/damping_factor.pdf

Please see this link on a post I made last year about the Raidho D3 V2's:

http://www.audioshark.org/raidho-acoustics-75/raidho-d3-home-audition-there-no-boom-6870.html
 
Le Roy is on the money with this for me. I too have done the same & there is something about having the same wiring from components through speakers that brings that elusive 5% to the table you never would otherwise realise in a top notch system.

Odyssey said:
I currently own the Raidho D3 V2. I have moved from the Ansuz Ceramic up to the Diamond loom.............
The Raidho speakers are internally wired with Ansuz, at least over the last couple of years......... But once you do...
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Odyssey said:
My room dimensions are approximately 12 X 16 rounded off. I have corner bass traps on the front wall (wall behind the speakers). That's it for bass treatment. I have small QRD panels on the back wall for diffusion and RPG BAD panels at the first reflection point. I've actually been pulling treatments out of the room over the last several years at the behest of the designer of Raidho speakers. Raidho's like a lively room.

In my system with my speakers over the last couple of years I have tried out, Audioquest, Nordost Odin, Kimber, MG Audio Design, Tara Labs and Siltech. I am not saying that Ansuz is better than any of the other cables. I am saying that for my system in my room(s) that Ansuz more closely suited my tastes. One other item of note. Raidho's can be better served with an amp with a higher damping factor. The solution amps I have in both of my locations possess a damping factor of 10,000. A very nice grip. I would look for an amp that has at least 500 and 1000 is even better. Of course it's not that simple output impedance of the amp matters too.
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Thanks for the response Le Roy

In your post "no-boom", you mention a pre audition of a broken in pair of D3s (+1000 hrs). Were the pair you auditioned D3s or D3 V2s and did they exhibit any 'bass boom'?

Thanks

Kerry
 
I met with Lars last night at a private demo. The question was asked regarding the importance of any cables in a system. BTW it was asked by a current D3 V2 owner. Lars response (which I agree with 100%) is start with the foundation. The foundation is the power coming into your system. So I would suggest listening to an Ansuz MainzD8 (power distribution) and get the best Ansuz PC cable you can afford to go from the wall to the Mainz. You have some very good speaker cables to begin with. So the short story - get good PC's and power distribution before speaker cables.
 
Alpinist said:
You're welcome Kerry!

I'm using the Kimber Select KS-6063 speaker cables with the Raidho D-3, Version 2 and they sound outstanding. I went with the Kimber Select because my dealer, David Baskin, told me they sounded just as good as the Ansuz Diamond but were a lot less money. I've also heard the Ansuz Diamond with the D-3, Version 2 in a different system and I couldn't hear any material difference between the Diamond and the KS-6063.

However, Nordost Valhalla 2 are tremendous cables and should be a great match for the Raidho D-3, V2. In fact, Raidho used to use Nordost speaker cable inside their speakers. Perhaps Flexible Audio (Paul) will chime in. Paul has placed a great deal of effort into properly matching gear for his Raidho D-3, V2. His choice for speaker cables was Nordost Valhalla 2.

Best,
Ken
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True Ken. I have a set of the V2's and V1's to see which I prefer. Remember Lars came from Nordost and the original D3's were wired with Nordost before Ansuz was released. I would certainly not get rid of your V2's without directly comparing them to the competition.
 
Musicfirst said:
Thanks for the response Le Roy

In your post "no-boom", you mention a pre audition of a broken in pair of D3s (+1000 hrs). Were the pair you auditioned D3s or D3 V2s and did they exhibit any 'bass boom'?

Thanks

Kerry
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The pair that I auditioned were D3 V2's and no they did not exhibit any bass boom. I gladly own them today.
 
The demo with Lars was about building the foundation. The speakers were XT3's with the Ansuz Pom speaker cables. It was easy to hear how the system came alive just by adding the mainzD8 and then Ansuz DTC power cord(s). The last cable that was swapped out was the Pom to a standard diamond speaker cable followed by the DTC speaker jumpers (needed 10M cables and Lars didn't have any that long with him). Yes the diamond speaker was better but it wasn't as pronounced as adding the foundation.

That was the 2nd demo of the foundation I have been to. The first was at Le Roy's. That was enough to convince me on the MainzD8.
 
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