Smooth speaker suggestions

Hi everyone. I'm quite happy with my Magico S3's, but as my musical taste changes, considering something smoother and more holographic. Should be a very interesting and educating subject. Thanks in advance!

Hi there!

If you're ever in the San Diego area, stop by and check out the YG Carmel 2s, or the Evolution Acoustics. We're currently running the YGs with 100W tube amps, and they sound fantastic, disappear completely, with a truly holographic soundstage! Since they don't use any traditional damping internally, the YGs tend to be more dynamic than comparably-sizes Magicos, even though they're made of the same material and use the same sealed bass enclosures.

Also, we can arrange to bring the speakers over to your place, and try them with your amps/sources!


cheers,
alex
 
Verity Audio with Convergent Audio Technology makes for a very natural, smooth full range sound. Nice detail and harmonics in a natural wholistic way, not hyper in your face kind of way.

Best wishes in your search:)
 
Hi Mike.
Interesting.
There are few things to consider.
1/ I can see that the Harbeth claim of the 40.2 being "easier to drive in the bass" compared to the 40.1 seems to be only marketing
2/ With the 40.1, one needs super high level isolation from the ground and from their stands. I use Skylan stands with premium fill. But the speakers are isolated from the stands with Nickel Manganese housings and ceramic bearing anti vibration feet ( AVF) from PAB and the stands are isolated from the ground with acrylic and steel bearings PAB AVF.
In my 28 m2 room, all visitors are extremely impressed with the bass response. It is clean, deep, tight and textured. But :
- the bass of the 40.1 goes VERY low. Much more than the Alexias for example. With more energy. This can make the speaker very difficult to integrate in many rooms if you intend to use it in a conventional hifi way : ie, playing at rather high volume, let's say above 90dB. You can do it, but you need a really perfect room treatment. If not, you have to keep in mind that these speakers are originally studio monitors, made for near field listening at low volume. 70 / 75 dB maximum.
- Many amps are not perfectly flat and right below 30 Hz. If such an amp is used with the 40.1, then you will hear a clear distortion. And it is not a question of power. It is a question of right frequency response. My Nagra MSA is only 60W and gives the best bass from the 40.1. The Shindo CCQs go lower, with more energy but with less control. The bass gets very invasive at high volume. Not boomy but just overpowering the room and eating the mids and the treble. At low volume, below 70dB, my Shindo CCQs are just a heaven with the 40.1. Once again, when those speakers are used like they are intended to ( you cannot use them as Magico or Wilson speakers), if a quality amp is used, along with decent isolation, you will get a superb and quite unique bass. Much better imho than the bass of the heavily damped speakers like Wilson, Magico, Rockport and so on.
But remember, if not properly isolated, the speaker will sound clearly boomy, no matter the amp used.
An option can be to use a low power amp but of very high quality. It will not give enough energy in the extreme bass to create room resonances : there will be a steep attenuation below 40 Hz that will appear as a good thing in many rooms, especially if you want to listen at high volume. The McIntosh 225 is my favorite amp for that use. Also, some recordings are extremely compensated in the bass, with a heavy loudness effect. They are actually mastered for "lay sytems" and ipods. Small speakers.
The 40.1 will give you exactly what is on the recording. Some recordings will sound boomy just because that is precisely what the sound engineer made.
Now, you will never get with Harbeth, or any other speaker, the naturalness and speed and clarity of the bass of a 30 or 38cm Altec driver. Those incredible drivers do not go as low as the 30cm of the 40.1. In fact there is no extreme bass at all. But, At 45/50 Hz and above, they are just the best bass drivers ever made. But yes, they are not made for electric rock. They are made for acoustic instruments.

Wow... Jerome, You nailed it. I couldnt agree with you more. I sincerly appreacited the PAB recommendation and I love the stands !

Just like you, my M40.1 clearly goes lower than Tannoy Westminsters and bass are clean and tight with PAB stands. Happy camper here and I would not replace my second pair of Harbeth. :thumbsup:
 
Wow... Jerome, You nailed it. I couldnt agree with you more. I sincerly appreacited the PAB recommendation and I love the stands !

Just like you, my M40.1 clearly goes lower than Tannoy Westminsters and bass are clean and tight with PAB stands. Happy camper here and I would not replace my second pair of Harbeth. :thumbsup:

Paul,
I am glad that you finally discovered the bass of the 40.1 ! You made me discover the speakers.
 
Don't get me wrong, I love Harbeth's - but Jim lives in a New York apartment (or at least he did when I last spoke with him). Would you be recommending the 40.1/40.2 in this situation? Would you be suggesting the SHL5+ are as "smooth" as the 40.2?

I heard a low powered amp on the 40.2's. It was bad. Boomy and uncontrolled. I would suggest a solid state amp with tight grip, high damping factor - like a Hegel, would be better. But I wouldn't be recommending the 40.2's at all in an apartment situation.

An original pair of SHL5's might be better or 30.1's if he wants to go Harbeth.


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Jerome - I'm curious how you believe the Harbeth 40.1's go lower than the Alexia's? Is that through measurements or listening?
 
Jerome - I'm curious how you believe the Harbeth 40.1's go lower than the Alexia's? Is that through measurements or listening?

Listening Mike.
You know once Ivan ( Masterlu) reported "where is the bass" listening to Wilson various speakers.
After nearly 2 years with the 40.1, I found myself saying the same thing for all the times I listened to the Alexia's.
 
Listening Mike.
You know once Ivan ( Masterlu) reported "where is the bass" listening to Wilson various speakers.
After nearly 2 years with the 40.1, I found myself saying the same thing for all the times I listened to the Alexia's.

Fair enough, but measurements don't support that. But I'm not much of a measurement guy, so carry on.
 
Has the OP tried a different amp and maybe room treatments? I've heard the S3 but not in my system and its was sublime. Of the suggestions i've seen I heard many and owned a few, and me thinks most of them would be a step backwards...just sayin :what:
 
Has the OP tried a different amp and maybe room treatments? I've heard the S3 but not in my system and its was sublime. Of the suggestions i've seen I heard many and owned a few, and me thinks most of them would be a step backwards...just sayin :what:

Agreed. I would buy Joe's brand new CJ stereo amp and put that baby on the S3's. Myles loves his CJ/Magico combo and from those who have heard his system, they told me "that's the best I've ever heard the S5's sound".
 
In the same price range as the Magico S3s, the Rockport Atrias are the ones to hear.
 
Fair enough, but measurements don't support that. But I'm not much of a measurement guy, so carry on.

Among speakers that give better and deeper bass than Wilson, I select Rockport and Magico. The huge Magico's go very low like the 40.1. But the bass texture is very different.
Imho for deep low bass, the most natural ones are the big Harbeth. A boomy bass with them reflects either a bad set up or bad acoustics or a bad recording.
 
Hi Jim,

I know they don't get any love around here except from Nelson and I, but the newer offerings from Canton might fit the bill. Similarly, I'd suggest a listen to Audio Physic if you've never heard them before. Both brands seem to be flexible with regard to room sizes / placement and both are also capable of producing full spectrum, fine detailed music at lower volumes (aka...apartment living with neighbors).

Good luck with your hunt for a replacement.
 
+1 for the Sonus Faber. At this year's Axpona Audio Show in Chicago (O'hare actually) I was extremely impressed with how musical the Sonus Faber Lilium Loudspeakers sounded with the AMG v12 as the source driven by the latest Audio Research GS Preamp and GS150 power amp. I felt it to be the best sound of the show and visited the room several times during my 3 day stay there. At $70,000 they should be good, but high cost doesn't always equate to high end sound. In this case, the build quality, aesthetics, and sound quality were all very top notch. On a side note...the AMG v12 was fantastic! Quite possibly my next turntable once my discretionary income gets back in line with my wants and desires, lol.
 
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