since my cable thread was closed I could use some help

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bandor

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I have been sourcing local companies to terminate the cable I am producing and could seriously use some suggestions for good rca plugs to use. This will be a high end cable and my first dealer in Southern Calif gave me an idea where it will be priced, and since it is going to be an expensive cable I need a high quality plug to be used in the process.
Any suggestions for suitable rca plugs will be greatly appreciated. I've received a mixed reaction from this community but if I could avail myself of your good taste and judgement to offer suggestions I would be honored to possibly make a selection from something that came from this forum. I don't know if I'm breaking some forum policy by asking for this advice and If I am I will go quietly into the night until you read about my cable after it's reviewed.
He, who laughs last, doesn't catch on too quickly.
Any suggestions will be thoroughly researched by me, and thanks in advance.
Keith
 
what about furutech ft-111's
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the white connectors look really good, I just wish they wouldn't put their name on it. It has been suggested that the cable I will be selling will be priced in the expensive middle of the high end, which would put it far beyond what I anticipated so I will not be cheeping out on the connectors. The Eichmann bullet plugs are technically good, but look so cheap I can't believe it, all plastic with a high end copper positive and negative tube, I actually bought some when my dealer started doing getting ready to market them. That is all ancient history and The first dealer I've got on board is going to make this a truly high end cable, after some people review the cable , I'm excited.
The FT-111 are very elegant looking cables.
thanks for your thoughtful suggestion
 
Blue Fox, thanks for the civil post and question. After New England Electric doubled the price I paid for the first run, I figured out how to do this myself in just 3 weeks, , (yea I'm patting myself on the back a bit)
I am not going overseas to build this, no, the good old USA is good enough for me ( $#@#$%^%) I am having the cable built again by Victor Wire in southern california. My contact there is Robert Smith (kudos to him) hip hip hooray , a nice man who helped me put this all together. I have enough wire ready to build 2200 feet of interconnect cable (dual conductors )and 800 feet of speaker cable to start with. It will be two conductors with a pure copper spiral shield with a smoked gray, translucent cover on top of that with speaker cable to match. The wire on my spools represent a few million feet of actual wire. My wire strands are individually insulated and will not degrade, now or in 20 years, I call that value.
People listen to this cable for a couple of minutes and (boom, listening test is done)Today I spent sourcing out a couple of local companies to terminate the cable for me. I will probably have most of it terminated I just have to guess what lengths will be most in demand. I could use some feedback on that, maybe 1 meter, 1 1/2 meter and a few 2 meter cables. Somebody take a guess for me. Now I need to find a high quality rca plug worthy of an expensive, high performance cable that won't make people feel jipped. Nobody on this forum took me seriously and many here made fun of me like I was some sort of buffoon. Look at my remarks below for the consistency I achieved in never having a build not surpass the previous version . My previous dealer went
through close to 20,000 feet of my wire to internally and externally wire every product in their inventory. Every time my wire was removed from the signal path, boom, sound degraded. This cable has already been proven to have magical (my words only) properties. Any electric signal that goes through it is transformed (my words again ) but I have been promised hopefully some major reviews and I will write a white paper defining what my patent states and when people realize that when an audio signal goes through a wire that can not be seen with the naked eye, that is magical as well, imagine that. I believe it will garner serious immediate acceptance because at present, audio cable manufacturers hire creative writing specialists and do not discuss actual science of their cable. Hearing is believing and after being banned from the What's best forum because everyone was too busy laughing at me , my patent, saying it was bad science, and this coming from people who have created nothing, and almost being banned here I am sick of naysayers who don't have a clue what I have done. My cable will end audiophile angst (at least in my opinion) No more going back and forth between tubes and solid state, then this cable and that, and so forth. the furutech FT-111's actually look kind of nice and I plan to have the heads filled with epoxy and use a 4:1 heavy adhesive heat shrink. I would like to call it ichor ( an ethereal fluid that flows in the veins of the gods) my first name because it conjures up some great imagery for me.
this cable will not be inexpensive and my dealer advisor suggested I just start in the middle of the high end. If the cable does everything I have suggested, it will be a bargain for what it brings forth at any price. Can a price be put on audiophile peace of mind and the end of audiophile angst and the spend , spend, spend syndrome . Imagine a $2,000 amp based system blowing away your favorite high end cost no object system. Attempts to bully me here were rampant as well with people suggesting that my cable had no validity unless I was willing to give samples to all that requested it. My life has been filled with that kind of crap and soon, the truth will be known. In the 20 years that I built variations of my cable, not once did the latest generation of my cable and using the theory at hand not surpass the previous generations. Nobody has ever had a track record of building 20 sets of cable and never taking a backward step. I say that it has never been achieved before and maybe I should call myself something like Robberding Labs, but that just isn't me. I was given a gift to understand what I was hearing and I did nothing special but follow the path laid out in front of me. So in the end I had to bring this to market, why didn't I think of this sooner, the perfect answer I never though would happen. In the end I think you will all give me just a bit of thanks for persevering to help you all and bring it home.
​so, help me select some rca plus, what lengths should I terminate this stuff to and who wants to have peace of mind where their brain tells them to relax, this is it.
 
Furutech Flux plugs. I use these rhodium plated plugs on everything. You will find them on Nordost Odin & Siltech Royal Signature series. If your chord is that good, that is....these would be a worthy termination choice consideration.

Send me 4.5m of your 3 core chord & I'll dress & terminate a 2m pair with Flux XLRs & possibly shield with carbon filament braid. What are the EM characteristics?

I have a nice cable cooker & McIntosh rig that can put your chord through some hoops.

I have "resigned" from sponsored forums for being honest about my opinions on certain cables. Seeing you are a nobody without a brand, an ego with a promise & no business direction...do you want readers to know the truth about your cable? Perhaps I can help you there. If I like, maybe we can talk further.
 
hey bandor just a little advise. you are on the right forum if you honestly do have a great product, these people here buy buy buy. no one is going to rip you off or lie about their finding with your cables. mike the admin here is very trusted by most of the members on this forum for his ear and knowledge and the fact that he travels all over to hear new gear. and has owned and sold most of the gear that is out there.lol. and he has offered to give your cables a test run. i suggest you get a couple pairs put together and give a couple select people a chance to hear these. if its a good product and compares or exceeds others in its pricerange, you will have a successful product and definitely make some sales here at the shark. people will talk about them. good or bad.
there is really no need for extravagantly long posts about being attacked or treated poorly here. i dont think anyone treats anyone else poorly here and you are no different.
just take a deep breath and maybe not be so defensive about justified questions people have since you are speaking of a product that no one has ever used, of course there will be skepticism. if you really want to be in the cable bizz, you better get used to that now.
good luck with your cables.
 
Well, since you're back on I guess I'll finish what I was writing on your other post before it got closed, if this was me I might have asked Mike to post again since it seems like the same subject, well it's a little different, just trying to help

As some of us heard some haughty and high minded talk about equipment that really wasn't worth it, I had some great roofers but some I tried not to let near the customer, I'd still be interested in what Mike had to say about the cables and Keith I don't know you but I know a roofer a bit brash but has great heart. If I were you I would try and not say as much, if you're cables are what you say they are great products have a way of speaking for themselves
 
hey bandor just a little advise. you are on the right forum if you honestly do have a great product, these people here buy buy buy. no one is going to rip you off or lie about their finding with your cables. mike the admin here is very trusted by most of the members on this forum for his ear and knowledge and the fact that he travels all over to hear new gear. and has owned and sold most of the gear that is out there.lol. and he has offered to give your cables a test run. i suggest you get a couple pairs put together and give a couple select people a chance to hear these. if its a good product and compares or exceeds others in its pricerange, you will have a successful product and definitely make some sales here at the shark. people will talk about them. good or bad.
there is really no need for extravagantly long posts about being attacked or treated poorly here. i dont think anyone treats anyone else poorly here and you are no different.
just take a deep breath and maybe not be so defensive about justified questions people have since you are speaking of a product that no one has ever used, of course there will be skepticism. if you really want to be in the cable bizz, you better get used to that now.
good luck with your cables.
Excellent response Steve, and I agree with your suggestions completely. Keith had previously stated that he would provide Mike with several review cables back on the original thread. It appears as if he's now decided to go in another direction and pretend like that never happened. It doesn't seem like he really wants the support of this forum and would rather just complain about how badly he is being treated here and elsewhere.
 
Wow... I completely ignored the train wreck of the first thread until this point. And now we're back to this? About cables of all things?
 
Keith has offered to let me try his cables. He mentioned that he needs to get some things finished and together. I'm in no rush. When he's ready...

Keith - FYI - RCA won't work too well in my system. I really need XLR. My Dag amp and preamp only accept XLR.

Let's just start with the speaker cables since, IMO, they make the biggest difference.


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My wire strands are individually insulated and will not degrade, now or in 20 years, I call that value...
I thought it was usually called litz wire. ;)
And how you choose to terminate it onto connectors might largely constrain your choices. With litz you typically either strip the individual insulated wires in a solder pot, and solder it onto the connector. Or if you're going to attach mechanically via crimp or grub screw, you'd use a heated chemical stripping bath, and wash. If you intend to attach by the later method of stripping the insulation, then the bespoke RCA choices are somewhat limited, Petro85's suggestion of the Furutech FT-111s, Furu CF-102s, as well as other Furutechs. WBT might still offer the all mechanically attached Topline locking RCA, and the spendy Bochinno RCA also attach mechanically. Others like the WBT NextGens and the XShadow attach the signal+ mechanically, but the signal ground via solder.
The only mechanically attached XLR I know of is the Bochinno, other than an insulation displacement Neutrik.
If you're going to solder, your choices expand tremendously. I like the Neotech line level connectors, but it comes down to personal and/or marketing preference. Some connectors work wonderfully with a given wire/topology and miserably with another, and versa visa...

FWIW,
Paul
Waveform Fidelity
 
Why do i get the feeling that this wire will simply be "No Better or No Worse" then the other thousand brands of wires out there?:S
 
Why do i get the feeling that this wire will simply be "No Better or No Worse" then the other thousand brands of wires out there?:S
you get that feeling because you have never listened to anything this revealing and only time will tell and a 30 second
listen
 
@bandor,

Excuse my rant but why don't you just send a sample of your cables to Mike? I'm sure your lawyer could write a decent NDA, you have a patent pending and (as far as I my short experience on AS shows) I doubt anyone of us would try to steal the result of your work.

If Mike (and others on this forum) will endorse your design I'm pretty sure we could use our cumulative pull on established manufacturers, or even establish a mutual fund to felp you start your business. But without any proof, there is no pudding...
 
Excellent response Steve, and I agree with your suggestions completely. Keith had previously stated that he would provide Mike with several review cables back on the original thread. It appears as if he's now decided to go in another direction and pretend like that never happened. It doesn't seem like he really wants the support of this forum and would rather just complain about how badly he is being treated here and elsewhere.

I am in the process of having the cable re-made by Victor Cable and wire, lining up the ducks, as it won't happen immediately, it will be soon. The dealer had all of the cable, and what I was able to get back from him wasn't much. The cable I am having remade will be a two conductor cable with each wire insulated. Each wire will have a small jacket and then a copper spiral shield with a smoke gray translucent outer jacket to give it a nice appearance. That is what is in the works
 
I contacted acoustic zen and was advised that they use a special 24awg wire in their best interconnect.


Ok?.....and along with "The Absolute speaker cable is made with 6 awg 6N zero crystal silver wire assembled in a hybrid configuration with 6N zero crystal copper. This hybrid design results in a dramatic reduction of of the cable's energy storage which in turn greatly improves high current signal flow interactions.The Absolute speaker cable is assembled using Acoustic Zen's patented Constant Air Twist geometry. Each conductor ("barrel") is double insulated first by air-inducted foam Teflon™ that carries the flexible twist array and second by end-to-end intermediary air insulation that enhances rejection of all forms of noise interference. The objective outcome of this unique design symmetry and hybrid material purity is stunning: inductance of 0.41 uH/ft and resistance of 0.008 Ohm/ft."
 
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