Replaced home router just for Audio Shark

ohbythebay

ohbythebay

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So for months I have been plagued by a strange issue with my Netgear top of the line router. I could stream, etc etc...worked very well except every once in a while, I could not get to AS. And error in the router would happen and then no pc in the house could reach AS. Wait an hour (probably a time out) and it would come back.

Sometimes the error would be weeks apart, sometimes 5 times in a day. I drove Mike crazy with this, Netgear, WaveBroadband, a NOC in NC...lol. Mike kept saying get an Apple Router which is funny because they are the root cause (the site must be created on a MAC and is too loose in its error handling) ..sorry Mike, I'll be as likely to buy an Apple router as I would be to do my own open heart surgery...aint gonna happen.

Root cause? At this point it appears the AS site was treating my IP (sometimes) as DOS (Denial of service ) attack when there was an glitch in response (think its an apple thing), and block the IP. after a 1/2 hour or an hour it would come back (port open).

so I bought a TOL Linksys and I really like it. Breeze to setup and from what I hear, can handle inferior made apple apps...(that's for MIke) ,,

What's my real point? I find AS so valuable that even though I could get to every other site in the world, I would pay to get a new router just so I could get to AS...even if Mike likes Apple...LOL

Love ya guys...

PS. - I was just joshing about the site being created and the error being an apple thing...that's just a MIKE poke...THe DOS root cause though is 90% real (unconfirmed but seems the most likely based on what could be gleaned).
 
That's cool that you've finally got that resolved. I wonder if I'm having the same issue with Windows Update. It's slow as molasses here and I get lots of install errors but it works fine everywhere else.
 
Matt715 said:
That's cool that you've finally got that resolved. I wonder if I'm having the same issue with Windows Update. It's slow as molasses here and I get lots of install errors but it works fine everywhere else.
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Definitely a Windows thing!! LMAO!!!

Glad you were able to work it out Rob. Most of the world uses Mac computers now, so we don't hear much about any technical issues. :)


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Glad you got that resolved Rob.
Sadly, I will be losing my internet connection entirely as soon as Comcast takes over TW. No choice, Comcast does not like Streaming services (Spotify in particular for some reason),by the way. Actually, their reason is because they think they are the police of cyberspace and they claim that Spotify is an illegal P2P service. (There is a P2P aspect under the surface, but not like what one would normally think. It's structured differently and used differently). In some areas they actually block it, otherwise they throttle down the pipe coming in and make you pay an extra $50 to $70 per month just for internet when they suspect you are using Spotify or any streaming service.
 
MusicDirector said:
Glad you got that resolved Rob.
Sadly, I will be losing my internet connection entirely as soon as Comcast takes over TW. No choice, Comcast does not like Streaming services (Spotify in particular for some reason),by the way. Actually, their reason is because they think they are the police of cyberspace and they claim that Spotify is an illegal P2P service. (There is a P2P aspect under the surface, but not like what one would normally think. It's structured differently and used differently). In some areas they actually block it, otherwise they throttle down the pipe coming in and make you pay an extra $50 to $70 per month just for internet when they suspect you are using Spotify or any streaming service.
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Really? Comcast user myself, no issue like you describe that I'm aware. Please explain more....
 
MikeCh said:
Really? Comcast user myself, no issue like you describe that I'm aware. Please explain more....
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Are you using Spotify or Netflix, etc? If you are, do you have any issues with signal? Do you hit your cap every month? I was a past Comcast user and TV worked ok once the idiots installed things correctly...well, almost correctly, I had to fix a couple of things they did wrong. However, internet was severely throttled down and very spotty and I was not using any streaming service at that time. I don't know if they had caps at that time as I was not using much bandwidth. (This was even before Roku, Netflix streaming and the squeezebox). Oh, they also do NOT allow Vonage phone service which is what I happen to have and have had for the last 8 years plus. (It was tough getting it as well as I was with AT&T before and they made my life a living hell when I was trying to switch, had to get lawyers involved! I won, but not without a 2.5 month fight). On a side note, customer service was almost non-existent.
Now Comcast proudly states that they have caps and throttle down customers connection whenever they want...at least they are up front about it if you read the fine print. No customer service still and the techs are worse as ever. They also charge for service calls. No cable company is worth a damn really, but Comcast is the worst of the worst.
 
ohbythebay said:
Yeah,,,that sounds nasty and ILLEGAL ...thus why we don't want monopolies...

Oh ..and the rest of the world uses MAC? Umm...maybe on the moon...

Operating system market share
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Unfortunately, it is now legal in practice, but still illegal on the books, but there is no enforcement, so everyone just does whatever they want. It's all about the money and the guy who is head of the FCC happens to be the ex-CEO (or perhaps still is) of Comcast. So the merger will go through without even any questions being asked. Net neutrality is finished as of a couple of weeks ago in federal court hearing. (The FCC actually blew it). Soon, you will only be allowed to see and use what said corporation or government(almost one in the same thing) or group of influential people wants you to see or use. You get what they like and don't get what they don't agree with.
Personally I can not except that or any of Comcasts games so I can not afford to pay for things I won't get or don't have anyway. (I already do that with stupid health insurance). So when it is official, my internet will automatically be cut.
 
Okay...I see where you are going...and I don't agree. Unless you have some sort of unknown budget plan, caps and throttling are for the top 5% users who totally abuse bandwidth...downloads 24/7, using their home system as network servers that service tons of people. They have to do something about that.

Now< I don't have Comcast, I have Wave broadband ..but I know how this works - similar to the Telecom business I was in.. you have to do something to throttle abusive users. Tell me..have you ever actually been throttled or are you railing about their ability to do so ? If you are not getting your bandwidth expected, you can file an FCC complaint if it is not within 10% of advertised. That is completely different than throttling which they would have to show cause.
 
MusicDirector said:
Glad you got that resolved Rob.
Sadly, I will be losing my internet connection entirely as soon as Comcast takes over TW. No choice, Comcast does not like Streaming services (Spotify in particular for some reason),by the way. Actually, their reason is because they think they are the police of cyberspace and they claim that Spotify is an illegal P2P service. (There is a P2P aspect under the surface, but not like what one would normally think. It's structured differently and used differently). In some areas they actually block it, otherwise they throttle down the pipe coming in and make you pay an extra $50 to $70 per month just for internet when they suspect you are using Spotify or any streaming service.
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What??????

I have Comcast for internet and have never had an issue using Rhapsody, Spotify or MOG. I use Rhapsody quite a bit due to its integration with Sooloos and have never had a denial of service.
 
MusicDirector said:
Are you using Spotify or Netflix, etc? If you are, do you have any issues with signal? Do you hit your cap every month?
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Yes, I use spotify and have a $10/mo account.

No, no issues with signal.

No, I have no cap on my Comcast useage.

I'm not sure where you've gotten your info, but the service supplied around here doesn't align with what you describe. Maybe there are different "plans" in different markets or something?
 
MikeCh said:
Yes, I use spotify and have a $10/mo account.

No, no issues with signal.

No, I have no cap on my Comcast useage.

I'm not sure where you've gotten your info, but the service supplied around here doesn't align with what you describe. Maybe there are different "plans" in different markets or something?
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Ah, well they do use different rules (and/or plans) in different areas. In my area, there is a cap of 300GB per month with throttle down and cut off threats. In Texas areas they give a 5GB cap with option to purchase additional GB for $10 extra per 10 GB. Up north in my state the cap is 250GB with auto-throttle down. In other words, different areas have different caps, bandwidth rules, etc. TW does the same, it just so happens that they don't get crazy in my area, however Comcast does. I know by experience and fine print. Glad it appears that you are not experiencing issues.
 
ohbythebay said:
Okay...I see where you are going...and I don't agree. Unless you have some sort of unknown budget plan, caps and throttling are for the top 5% users who totally abuse bandwidth...downloads 24/7, using their home system as network servers that service tons of people. They have to do something about that.

Now< I don't have Comcast, I have Wave broadband ..but I know how this works - similar to the Telecom business I was in.. you have to do something to throttle abusive users. Tell me..have you ever actually been throttled or are you railing about their ability to do so ? If you are not getting your bandwidth expected, you can file an FCC complaint if it is not within 10% of advertised. That is completely different than throttling which they would have to show cause.
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Well, it sounds like in part that you are either unaware of the Comcast fine print or have not been paying enough attention. There is also the fact that they apply different plans and rules in different areas. I think Comcast just assumes everyone is an abuser and they just don't like certain services such as Vonage, Spotify, Netflix, and YouTube because of the "heavy bandwidth" they use. (Personally I think that's an absurd premise for an ISP). So they attempt to block them or make things hard on the consumer who wants those services.
That said though, I do agree with you about the abusers and I am nowhere near the top 5%. If I had to guess by reasonable standards I'd be someplace in the bottom 30% if that, but I don't know the 100 different definitions of "reasonable". I don't have servers, just a home network that is secured and services my two PCs, Roku and Audio system and I'm usually not using any two at the same time.
No, I have never experienced being throttled down, sent a letter or anything. I just pay my monthly bill. That said though, I'm currently with TW and they don't have caps or anything crazy in my area (although I understand they do in some other areas). They also don't charge for field tech calls or any tech calls.
All that though, I need to wait and see. (The FCC has no teeth or enforcement anymore, so any consumer complaint doesn't even get past the trash can).
 
ohbythebay said:
This explains the data caps

Time Warner customers: Your data may get capped under Comcast - TechBlog
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Thanks for that article. It puts everything succinctly and to the point without fluff. Still very worrisome, but have to wait to see how it works out. Hopefully, somebody will say something and uphold consumer law and freedom.
I like how the article tells the problem point blank. The problem is that while it is agreed that abusers should have punitive action brought against them, the problem is that the cable companies are pissed off at everyone who cut the cord to the other services and just want internet from them. So they just see everyone as abusers. It never occurred to them that if they didn't charge outrageous prices and play plan games and actually wanted to maintain and build up the infrastructure to bring it up to the standards of the rest of the world and had better customer service, there would not be so many people cutting the cord and going to Roku and the rest of it.
 
MusicDirector said:
Thanks for that article. It puts everything succinctly and to the point without fluff. Still very worrisome, but have to wait to see how it works out. Hopefully, somebody will say something and uphold consumer law and freedom.
I like how the article tells the problem point blank. The problem is that while it is agreed that abusers should have punitive action brought against them, the problem is that the cable companies are pissed off at everyone who cut the cord to the other services and just want internet from them. So they just see everyone as abusers. It never occurred to them that if they didn't charge outrageous prices and play plan games and actually wanted to maintain and build up the infrastructure to bring it up to the standards of the rest of the world and had better customer service, there would not be so many people cutting the cord and going to Roku and the rest of it.
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Very very true...I am fortunate in my company. Like I said earlier, I have Wave broadband..That is cable and internet. I have their high speed plan, cable is loaded with HD, etc. etc. and I have 4 TV's...I probably pay about $50 or so LESS than the same plan from Comcast. Also, their service is awesome. 24 by 7, they work weekends, guys will be there at 8 at night, a sunday...no outage where they say see you next Tuesday. THATS impressive
 
ohbythebay said:
Very very true...I am fortunate in my company. Like I said earlier, I have Wave broadband..That is cable and internet. I have their high speed plan, cable is loaded with HD, etc. etc. and I have 4 TV's...I probably pay about $50 or so LESS than the same plan from Comcast. Also, their service is awesome. 24 by 7, they work weekends, guys will be there at 8 at night, a sunday...no outage where they say see you next Tuesday. THATS impressive
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That's pretty good.
TW is better than Verizon and AT&T and Comcast and TW customer service is just ok and some of their techs are alright as well, but it's a gamble. (They found out I was using Vonage and have a Roku now and all that, but they leave me be figuring like Cox did after a while, "Oh let him have and do what he wants, he isn't hurting anything and we won't get more money from him anyway"). Comcast on the other hand has very bad customer service (if you can call it that) and zero techs who know anything about what they are doing.

Comcast hates cord cutters though and I'm a cord cutter. (I imagine all cable TV providers do, but not to the level of preemptive punitive measures against their customers like Comcast is seeking in the deal). I have not had a cable phone ever and have not had cable TV for the last 5+ years and don't miss it for a second. I also do not have antenna or OTA TV and don't miss that either. I have only one TV, 2 PCs, phone modem/router for Vonage, 1 tablet (which is hardly ever on network) a Roku, Squeezebox Touch and maybe a Networked receiver possibly coming soon and rarely if ever have two devices on at the same time. Hmm....therefore Comcast would really hate me at maximum.:eyebrow:
 
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