Regen, Wow!

jaxwired said:
....Does anyone believe in placebo? I'm pretty sure if we started a rumor that high end systems sound better when facing true magnetic north that we'd get true believers that are able to achieve yet one step higher on the apparently infinite ladder of sonic improvements.
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Indeed, HiFi sounds best between the N/S 30th-38th degree parallels. Along these lines are strong magnetic fields and that is where the majority of the ancient world's mega structures are located and also where aliens come down to recharge their spacecrafts. :P


I am going to build a second CAPs with a GPU. The future includes AV streaming and YouTube is coming of age.... Waiting on the HDPlex 5 series 2 with 8 heat sinks for both CPU and GPU. Not sure if the Regen is going to become a permanent fixture but I am prepared to give it a go.
 
wisnon said:
Flexy, they dont address directly the SI improvement intent. You know JS to communicate with, so go ask him. It is his postulation and to be frank he is the only one talking about this very area of concern.

Certainly people have been trying to improve USB, but in other ways.
Somehow communication gets derailed when it passes between us. You never seem to fully get what I say and it seems you feel the same way about me…LoL
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Normy, This post is a classic example of our problem communicating. Down stream of these devices there is no signal interface improvement necessary! That is why your comment that "Uptone are the only "experts" in this very specialist emerging area" is so preposterous.
 
jaxwired said:
Gotta call BS on the whole product. Why do I need my USB data signal completely reconstructed? And keep in mind we are taking about a digital data stream here which is simple binary data which in th first place is hard to get wrong. But more importantly, why do I care about jitter when I have an asynch DAC? Asynchronous DACs don't use the senders clock so they should be impervious to source jitter. Although I'm sure someone will tell me why it's not. But I see no reason why this $175 unit should be able to create a purer USB data stream than my Aurender USB output. In fact, seems like a bad idea to stick something else in the chain. Might introduce jitter, lol. :rolleyes:

Does anyone believe in placebo? I'm pretty sure if we started a rumor that high end systems sound better when facing true magnetic north that we'd get true believers that are able to achieve yet one step higher on the apparently infinite ladder of sonic improvements.
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Jax, What I think you are failing to understand is that according to Norman the Aurender uses "crappy motherboards." This is what I was told when I was considering the purchase of an Aurendar and he advised that if I did to make sure I used the regen. If you read these threads you will glean he is an unbiased authority on these matters with a singular audio experience and relationships that position him as the final arbiter on these matters.
 
FlexibleAudio said:
Jax, What I think you are failing to understand is that according to Norman the Aurender uses "crappy motherboards." This is what I was told when I was considering the purchase of an Aurendar and he advised that if I did to make sure I used the regen. If you read these threads you will glean he is an unbiased authority on these matters with a singular audio experience and relationships that position him as the final arbiter on these matters.
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For a second I thought you were serious.
 
Loop4fun said:
I don't know how it works, But the Aries> Regen> Devialaet D200 is a winner. It's the best $175 I've ever spent on this hobby. the principles are good responsive guys, too.
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Were veils lifted? Cause I don't want one unless veils were lifted.

When you think about how many veils have been lifted by new advances in the last decade alone, a system from early 2000s must have been akin to Thomas Edison's phonograph. "Mary had a little lamb...crackly, crackle, pop". Who put all these damn veils on our audio in the first place. It's a conspiracy!!!
 
jaxwired said:
Lol. I realized I missed the sarcasm. Then I remembered the 20 post dog fight a few pages back. : )
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Yeah, I got a headache reading all that. The Lampizator is a wonderful DAC, but you know what, it isn't for everyone. The person who loves SET/Tube sounds will gravitate toward it. I suspect the Magico/Soulution/show me the measurements crowd would not.

If I'm being brutally honest, the sleeper digital piece for me is my T+A PDP 3000HV. But damn it needs a lot of cables! Two power cords for starters.

Different strokes...

Yes the Regen is a terrific little piece and yes Norman was the first to mention it. It's in my system and no thoughts of every taking it out after the A/B I did.
 
Tan said:
Hei Janke

Have you received the Jitterbugs? The availability says its in stock, but also ready for Pre-order due september….

Tommy
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No Tommy, the seller can´t deliver the Jitterbugs just yet I was told. I will report back how they work in my system when they arrive, but I guess Michael at AudioStream will beat me to it regarding the benefits in his system(s).
 
FlexibleAudio said:
Normy, This post is a classic example of our problem communicating. Down stream of these devices there is no signal interface improvement necessary! That is why your comment that "Uptone are the only "experts" in this very specialist emerging area" is so preposterous.
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Again, you did not understand what i was saying! Oy!
If you ever come by these parts, I would have to meet you face to face and debrief you once and for all. Internet is just not working.
 
FlexibleAudio said:
Jax, What I think you are failing to understand is that according to Norman the Aurender uses "crappy motherboards." This is what I was told when I was considering the purchase of an Aurendar and he advised that if I did to make sure I used the regen. If you read these threads you will glean he is an unbiased authority on these matters with a singular audio experience and relationships that position him as the final arbiter on these matters.
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Ah, a post of yours we can both agree with.
ROTFLMAO.
 
Mike said:
Yeah, I got a headache reading all that. The Lampizator is a wonderful DAC, but you know what, it isn't for everyone. The person who loves SET/Tube sounds will gravitate toward it. I suspect the Magico/Soulution/show me the measurements crowd would not.
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I know one Magico fan who has been bitten. Funny story, as Joe about it. LoL
 
jaxwired said:
Gotta call BS on the whole product. Why do I need my USB data signal completely reconstructed? And keep in mind we are taking about a digital data stream here which is simple binary data which in th first place is hard to get wrong. But more importantly, why do I care about jitter when I have an asynch DAC? Asynchronous DACs don't use the senders clock so they should be impervious to source jitter. Although I'm sure someone will tell me why it's not. But I see no reason why this $175 unit should be able to create a purer USB data stream than my Aurender USB output. In fact, seems like a bad idea to stick something else in the chain. Might introduce jitter, lol. :rolleyes:

Does anyone believe in placebo? I'm pretty sure if we started a rumor that high end systems sound better when facing true magnetic north that we'd get true believers that are able to achieve yet one step higher on the apparently infinite ladder of sonic improvements.
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Its not just that its purer, its that its closer to the USB interface and cable distance does not ruin the optimised signal regenerated with an optimized power distribution network which (lest start up burst/pulse noise for each packet moved) and the impedance is perfectly matched. Start putting a cable of any significant length between the Regen device and its freshly minted signal starts to decgarade again, like Vitamin C from a freshly juiced orange.

Packet noise in not very much about Jitter…its more about electical component noise.

Digital does not exist in the physical world, just as ideas don't. Its infomation (coded) that is transported in the physical/analog world, so yes this info can be twisted and bent by power electical signaling and in ways we keep on discovering or imporving our discovery of. Most of this means nothing to the casual listener, but neurotic audiophiles seek the perfect illusion, so even the most minute deviations from ideal are noticed and attemps made to correct them.

CDs were perefect sound forever, and later async was jitter immune and so perfect USB sound was assured. It turns out that tgis is not so and even it it was, jitter is not the be all end all of good SQ, IMHO.
 
jaxwired said:
Gotta call BS on the whole product. Why do I need my USB data signal completely reconstructed? And keep in mind we are taking about a digital data stream here which is simple binary data which in th first place is hard to get wrong. But more importantly, why do I care about jitter when I have an asynch DAC? Asynchronous DACs don't use the senders clock so they should be impervious to source jitter. Although I'm sure someone will tell me why it's not. But I see no reason why this $175 unit should be able to create a purer USB data stream than my Aurender USB output. In fact, seems like a bad idea to stick something else in the chain. Might introduce jitter, lol. :rolleyes:

Does anyone believe in placebo? I'm pretty sure if we started a rumor that high end systems sound better when facing true magnetic north that we'd get true believers that are able to achieve yet one step higher on the apparently infinite ladder of sonic improvements.
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Its not just that its purer, its that its closer to the USB interface and cable distance does not ruin the optimised signal regenerated with an optimized power distribution network which has (less start up burst/pulse noise for each packet moved) the impedance perfectly matched. Start putting a cable of any significant length between the Regen device and its freshly minted signal starts to decgarade again, like Vitamin C from a freshly juiced orange.

Packet noise in not very much about Jitter…its more about electical component noise.

Digital does not exist in the physical world, just as ideas don't. Its infomation (coded) that is transported in the physical/analog world, so yes this info can be twisted and bent by power electical signaling and in ways we keep on discovering or imporving our discovery of. Most of this means nothing to the casual listener, but neurotic audiophiles seek the perfect illusion, so even the most minute deviations from ideal are noticed and attemps made to correct them.

CDs were perefect sound forever, and later async was jitter immune and so perfect USB sound was assured. It turns out that tgis is not so and even it it was, jitter is not the be all end all of good SQ, IMHO.
 
wisnon said:
Digital does not exist in the physical world, just as ideas don't. Its infomation (coded) that is transported in the physical/analog world, so yes this info can be twisted and bent by power electical signaling and in ways we keep on discovering or imporving our discovery of.
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Its ones and zeroes. It's discrete. It's exact. Either the ones and zeroes arrive in the same sequence or they don't. It's only when you convert to an analog signal that you can change it. I can send a gigabyte to China over the Internet and have it arrive bit perfect. No problem happens constantly. But I can't send bit perfect data to my asynch DAC from a computer 2 feet away? Sounds very wrong. Sanity test failed. Any improvement you are hearing is imagined. I can't prove it but you can't prove it either since sound quality improvements wrought by the regen are not measurable except by human interpretation (which is highly inconsistent and unreliable).

But with that said, I'll take two, they're cheap. :D
 
Jax its more than that. I used to feel the same way. We dont send 1s and zeros, we send electrical signals and if they are not precise, they stress out the converters to analog and result in minute disruptions. Computer data does not care, we get all the info as the tolerance is great, not so for music or missile gudance systems (I am told), for example.

By the way, JS is measuring the electical improvement in the Regen in term of lower pulse noise. Whether than means better SQ in your system, only you can judge.

Its a moot point anyway, as you said, they are cheap and hot, so test em out and if they work, great, if not, you can pass on for full retail to people who dont want tio wait in line.
 
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