Received 2nd Covid shot today

[CPP]

I look at the vaccine this way. Once you see someone, I say very very healthy and fit person impacted by Covid, to where they lie in a hospital for over a month having difficulty breathing and fighting for their life, the vaccine is a no brainier in my book. If there is something wrong with any of the vaccines, well a huge majority (64%) of all the medical front line professionals in the US, including my daughter, my sister and my brother will be impacted. I in my present health, was more worried about the impact of covid, than the vaccine. Its a choice we all make doing anything today. As my wife would say, hell you might get hit in your car today going to the store. Yep, l

 

[dminches]

This is what I don’t understand. For all those people who either don’t want to get a vaccine (and it is their right and choice to do so) and or don’t think vaccinations are the way to solve the pandemic, how do they think this would play out without vaccines? How many people would die or become permanently impaired?

So far the US has lost 556k people and tens of thousands more with what could be lifelong health issues. That group of people has likely impacted millions. And this is just in 1 year. How long can society stay shut down before people start going nuts due to isolation and economic disaster? If you just open the economy without a vaccine then millions will die.

The only reasonable solution, weighing all the effects, pros, and cons, to this pandemic is to vaccinate people so they and others are protected and we can get back to normal sooner than later. JMO, of course.

 

[Shadowfax]

This is what I don’t understand. For all those people who either don’t want to get a vaccine (and it is their right and choice to do so) and or don’t think vaccinations are the way to solve the pandemic, how do they think this would play out without vaccines? How many people would die or become permanently impaired?

So far the US has lost 556k people and tens of thousands more with what could be lifelong health issues. That group of people has likely impacted millions. And this is just in 1 year. How long can society stay shut down before people start going nuts due to isolation and economic disaster? If you just open the economy without a vaccine then millions will die.

The only reasonable solution, weighing all the effects, pros, and cons, to this pandemic is to vaccinate people so they and others are protected and we can get back to normal sooner than later. JMO, of course.

And that is exactly what and how they want people to think.

I look at it this way, almost 1.5 Million people died last year from TB. No Masks, No Lockdowns. It is a Respiratory Disease spread the same way as Covid.
The Seasonal Flu kills between 30 and 60 thousand in the US every year, No Masks, No Lockdowns and again it is spread exactly the same way as Covid.

If there were not so many False Positives from too high of cycles and or known faulty tests, there would be less of a panic, but then the Pharma Companies would not be in line to make all the Billions they are now making from Covid.

 

[dminches]

And that is exactly what and how they want people to think.

I look at it this way, almost 1.5 Million people died last year from TB. No Masks, No Lockdowns. It is a Respiratory Disease spread the same way as Covid.
The Seasonal Flu kills between 30 and 60 thousand in the US every year, No Masks, No Lockdowns and again it is spread exactly the same way as Covid.

If there were not so many False Positives from too high of cycles and or known faulty tests, there would be less of a panic, but then the Pharma Companies would not be in line to make all the Billions they are now making from Covid.

In 2019 542 people died from TB. Where are you getting 1.5M?

TB is not anywhere are contagious at COVID. These 2 situation are unrelated. If you think they are the same then you are kidding yourself.

 

[mauidan]

Serge enjoyed your post.

Altimmune’s AdCOVID intranasal spray (not yet approved but very likely will be) can be self-administered, no refrigeration needed, and has a long shelf life.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration cleared it last month as an “investigational new drug.” Stock symbol- ALT.

I haven't been vaccinated yet. When I go out, I use a nasal product called Herbal Shield that you can buy at the herbdoc.com.

 

[SimpleSimonSays]

In 2019 542 people died from TB. Where are you getting 1.5M?

TB is not anywhere are contagious at COVID. These 2 situation are unrelated. If you think they are the same then you are kidding yourself.

dminches,

I have a feeling arguing with Shadowfax will be pointless...

On the other hand, exchanging with TheOctopus will most probably enrich this conversation and we may learn and empathize with different point of views.

 

[RDSChicago]

Zz

 

[a.wayne]

I thought this would lead to a proper discussion , pro and con , experiences and results , instead its turning into another doggie doo doo , WA vs Magico , Toobs vs. SS , Analog vs Digital ..

 

[TheOctopus]

^^^ Serge, thank you for that good post, you have a better way with words than I do. Like you, everyone else in mine and my wife's family already got the injections. We have not and have zero plans to do so. We both stopped getting the regular Flu shots 15 years ago when my wife retired from being a Respiratory Therapist for 25 years. Although much of the fallout of the initial reactions and may deaths around the world are being suppressed in the media, I am more worried about the long term effects as well as getting everyone to bare their shoulder for every possible variant or anything "they" tell you you need a "Vaccine" for. The only reason this Experimental Injection is labeled a Vaccine is because you cannot sue for issues or death if it is labeled a Vaccine. How convenient.

Along with Lipid Nano Particles, if not already included, semi conductor nano particles are planned to eventually "Chip" us all as per interviews with Kill Gates. These semi conductor nano particles can then be activated/agitated by the new 5G and cause people to be or feel sick. I know many feel this is all conspiracy theory, but after seeing what Gates and the rest of the globalists are up to, I don't trust them for 2 seconds.

I do hope I am all wrong, but I am healthy and will take my chances fighting something with a 99.X recovery rate as opposed to blindly getting shot up with who knows what whenever They Say So. Hopefully in 2 years we can look back and have a laugh on my behalf and not what I fear may happen.

While I like a good conspiracy theory myself and we have plenty to ponder over, this one is taboo in my book as people’s lives really are at risk. Statistics being what they are and those numbers are still “low” percentage wise, that means absolutely nothing to anyone who lost a friend or a family member.

Besides, there is enough conspiracy material to write a book on this one with actual facts as well as historical observations. Every known and documented pandemic in history had always had an “aerial phenomena” and witnesses to flying objects followed by the outbreaks. What do we do with that?

There is no question in my mind that anyone who meets the criteria of being in the high risk category and not wanting to take the chance of a severe complication/hospitalization and a chance of checking out permanently, should be vaccinated ASAP. The immediate benefit far outweigh the risk for that group. The possibility of a future problem with vaccines is pure speculation at this point and they may be perfectly safe and effective. Have there been complications and deaths after vaccinations so far? Yes... but statistically very low. Long term effects if any and the actual efficacy of the vaccine is unknown.

What are the odds and statistics of slipping in the shower or getting hit by lightning to a grim outcome ? Slim but some poor souls will win that ticket...

Vaccines have their place, IÂ’m not going to argue the historical benefit of at least 14 serious diseases we have largely forgotten about thanks to them by now. At the same time being an advocate for the vaccine and claiming all vaccines were 100% safe and so will this one is being dishonest and ignoring historical facts that say otherwise. Here is a list of vaccines gone wrong. CDC Historical Safety Concerns | Vaccine Safety | CDC


Let everyone decide for themselves. It’s not like the “science” we are supposedly following right now is telling us we can finally relax and take off our masks after being vaccinated anyways.. If anything, it’s double or triple the mask effort now. With viral particles being airborne for up to 3 hrs or so, we always knew anything other than the N95 and respirators would not be 100% efficient. Especially those silly cloth face coverings that have gaping holes in them from every angle. Give me a break... That should have been obvious from day one but there were no masks to be purchased.... Forcing people to get vaccinated if they are outside the risk group is well, very Orwellian.

There will be more reports coming in of course as far as negative side effects. ThatÂ’s to be expected with so many millions being the group of participants. 13 out of 2 million people got facial paralysis after the vaccine I heard just this morning. Should people stop getting vaccinated if they are at risk? I think not but I would hate to be in the position to have to force someone to get the vaccine. Let people make an educated choice is always the best approach unless we have no other options...

 

[dminches]

dminches,

I have a feeling arguing with Shadowfax will be pointless...

On the other hand, exchanging with TheOctopus will most probably enrich this conversation and we may learn and empathize with different point of views.

I have no interest in arguing with him or anybody. I am just curious how people who are anti-vaccine would answer my questions as to how this would play out without vaccines.

 

[RDSChicago]

Zz

 

[Mr Peabody]

I did my research, let's see....., The injection includes a chip where I can be tracked and my mind eventually controlled, then I will be forced to do Bill Gates bidding who is actually Satan, they will eventually give me a cool tattoo of 666 on my forehead, I'm hoping location could be negotiated but if I have no control of my mind I suppose I won't care anyway. Children will become sex slaves then used for the buffet, and their blood used as a social drink.

So with that all in mind, I'm still weighing my options.

If you want the shot, then get the shot, but I'm just guessing that most of you did less research about the vaccines, then you did about your last audio purchase.

 

[BlueFox]

TheOctopus, please stop posting your nonsense in this thread before you get it closed. Please start your own. Thank you.

 

[TheOctopus]

This is what I don’t understand. For all those people who either don’t want to get a vaccine (and it is their right and choice to do so) and or don’t think vaccinations are the way to solve the pandemic, how do they think this would play out without vaccines? How many people would die or become permanently impaired?

So far the US has lost 556k people and tens of thousands more with what could be lifelong health issues. That group of people has likely impacted millions. And this is just in 1 year. How long can society stay shut down before people start going nuts due to isolation and economic disaster? If you just open the economy without a vaccine then millions will die.

The only reasonable solution, weighing all the effects, pros, and cons, to this pandemic is to vaccinate people so they and others are protected and we can get back to normal sooner than later. JMO, of course.

Short answer as to how this would play out without vaccines is look at every other pandemic. Woodstock happened in the middle of a pandemic... Herd immunity is achieved rather rapidly in tight communities along with the statistically proportional outcomes /deaths for the type of a disease/virus. We had no vaccines for the previous pandemics. Not the Russian Flu, nor the Spanish Flu, not the Asian flu and not the Hong Kong Flu and many died while others were either asymptomatic or did not get infected somehow which is hard to believe. It’s always been that way or the human species would have perished by now.

Ebola once again had a chance to do some seriously major damage only 4-5 years ago and it was a miracle the infected person did not get onto a bus going from a small village to a larger city in an African country or it would have been a real disaster... It did not go away, it laid dormant waiting to strike again.

This virus is not going anywhere either. Let’s hope the vaccines will hold up against the various strains and mutations and the natural or acquired immunity is strong enough.

I have two friends in their 50’s and early 60’s who were tested in a different country and both were positive. One was asymptomatic and the other was admitted to the hospital within days. The asymptomatic friend would have never known he had it but his antibodies were really low after being tested sometime later. The friend that was in the hospital very ill but made it, had antibodies off the scale. That’s how the species survive or die out on this planet.

 

[TheOctopus]

TheOctopus, please stop posting your nonsense in this thread before you get it closed. Please start your own. Thank you.

Just another reminder that we can no longer have rational conversations because of individuals that do not want to hear anything but their own version of a fantasy. Have a nice day, I’m out. Good luck to all and stay safe and strong.

 

[dminches]

Short answer as to how this would play out without vaccines is look at every other pandemic. Woodstock happened in the middle of a pandemic... Herd immunity is achieved rather rapidly in tight communities along with the statistically proportional outcomes /deaths for the type of a disease/virus. We had no vaccines for the previous pandemics. Not the Russian Flu, nor the Spanish Flu, not the Asian flu and not the Hong Kong Flu and many died while others were either asymptomatic or did not get infected somehow which is hard to believe. It’s always been that way or the human species would have perished by now.

Ebola once again had a chance to do some seriously major damage only 4-5 years ago and it was a miracle the infected person did not get onto a bus going from a small village to a larger city in an African country or it would have been a real disaster... It did not go away, it laid dormant waiting to strike again.

This virus is not going anywhere either. Let’s hope the vaccines will hold up against the various strains and mutations and the natural or acquired immunity is strong enough.

I have two friends in their 50’s and early 60’s who were tested in a different country and both were positive. One was asymptomatic and the other was admitted to the hospital within days. The asymptomatic friend would have never known he had it but his antibodies were really low after being tested sometime later. The friend that was in the hospital very ill but made it, had antibodies off the scale. That’s how the species survive or die out on this planet.

The total number of deaths in the US from Influenza A was about 100,000 and that was without any lock down or physical separation. It is not as contagious and not as lethal as COVID. Thus, it sounds like in a scenario without a COVID vaccine there would be millions of deaths in the US, especially if society were just to re-open. To me, that is not an acceptable alternative to vaccination.

People who are anti-vaccine should be thanking those of us who are choosing to be vaccinated since we are making society safer for them.

 

[Mr Peabody]

For those who have gotte the shot, do you receive some type of verification card? I keep hearing on the news something abot keeping your card.

when discussing who should get the shot there have been plenty of healthy young and athletic persons die from the virus. It doesn't seem to discriminate.

 

[Mike]

For those who have gotte the shot, do you receive some type of verification card? I keep hearing on the news something abot keeping your card.

when discussing who should get the shot there have been plenty of healthy young and athletic persons die from the virus. It doesn't seem to discriminate.

Yes sir! Got my card. Second shot will be in 4 weeks, I am starting see cruise lines say “no shot, no cruise”.


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[TheOctopus]

The total number of deaths in the US from Influenza A was about 100,000 and that was without any lock down or physical separation. It is not as contagious and not as lethal as COVID. Thus, it sounds like in a scenario without a COVID vaccine there would be millions of deaths in the US, especially if society were just to re-open. To me, that is not an acceptable alternative to vaccination.

People who are anti-vaccine should be thanking those of us who are choosing to be vaccinated since we are making society safer for them.

I’m not going to participate in this as the OP of this thread didn’t like it. If someone wants to start a new thread where we can rationalize some of this and can stay focused and it’s ok with Mike , I’m game.

 

[Mike]

I’m not going to participate in this as the OP of this thread didn’t like it. If someone wants to start a new thread where we can rationalize some of this and can stay focused and it’s ok with Mike’s , I’m game.

As long as it doesn’t turn political or into spreading complete nonsense.

The bottom line is, if you can, please get it. If you’re opposed, well, ok. We can’t hold anyone down and force them. All we can do is use our common sense. I’m sure glad I got mine. Seeing my friend Mike Chaffee die from Covid was something you don’t soon forget.


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