Put together a dream $12,000 system for me...

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...I'm looking for any combination of speakers, amps (integrated or separates), and streaming hardware and software. I don't need a turntable. It would be nice to have something to rip my CDs and have high quality sound. I prefer a 2 channel system and not HT. Speakers can be passive or active. If you go active please recommend a preamp. I also prefer all new gear as good deals are likely to expire by the time I'm ready to buy (about a year). I'm looking for a system that can hold it's own with about anything below $25,000. This thread is mainly to help me become more familiar with names of various top notch, high end audio builders. Thank you!
 
Lumin U1MINI - 2K (streamer)
Hegel H360 - 5K (integrated + DAC)
Dynaudio "Special Forty" - 3K (speakers)
Cables - 1K
Total 11K

Prices are European.
But I'm sure the US prices are not so far from ours.




A bit more expensive:

Hegel H590 - 10K (top integrated + top DAC + streamer)
Dynaudio "Special Forty" - 3K
Cables - 1K
Total 14K


If you can stretch to the second option, it offers a much better DAC, more and better power.
Later on, when the funds will allow, the H590 will be a perfect fit for even (much) better speakers.
 
Mark Levinson 5802 ($7k) or 5805 ($8500.00), both include DAC but the 5802 is a digital only where the 5805 has analog inputs. + Either Revel Performance 3 F206 ($3500) or (F208 ($5k). KEF R series or Monitor Audio Gold could also be speaker options that I know would sound good. I really like the Monitor Audio but if you are a big bass head or listen to EDM they may not be your best choice. The MA have fast transients and brass is excellent through them.

I heard a small McIntosh integrated driving the new JBL L100's and was impressed. The JBL msrp is $4k, Mac has a variety of integrated amps at various price points. Mac tends to lean warm. Most tend to agree it's worth the money to get up to a model with the output transformers.

For digital you can pick up a Bluesound Vault that will allow streaming and a 2TB hard drive to rip your CD's to. A Node 2i will take care of just streaming if you want astand alone disc player. I know these options didn't allow much if you aren't also wanting a turntable.

I saw the Marantz Ruby integrated & SACD player bundle for $7k, add the Marantz Ref 15 turntable that will have cartridge for $1500.00 with the rest of the budget for speaker. The Ref 15 is made by Clearaudio and one of the best TT values going, IMO.

I'm not sure what current pricing is on the Octave Audio integrated, it was around $4500, it with something like the new Klipsch Forte III would be fun. Maybe a Rega P3 and digital depending on whether disc or streaming or both.

I'm sure others will chime in to help with your home work :)
 
Asking such a question is akin to asking someone else to select and purchase a pair of speakers for you that you will love...mission impossible. I do notice your end purpose though and just encourage you to keep things well in perspective, do your homework now matter how long it takes and remember everything in feedback you get will be 100% subjective. Bottom line, build the system for you and nobody else. Don't look for approval or you will fail guaranteed.
Food for thought, it is possible to build a system that will perform well above it's cost. $12k can give you a system that can keep up easily with a system twice the price or more.
 
Asking such a question is akin to asking someone else to select and purchase a pair of speakers for you that you will love...mission impossible. I do notice your end purpose though and just encourage you to keep things well in perspective, do your homework now matter how long it takes and remember everything in feedback you get will be 100% subjective. Bottom line, build the system for you and nobody else. Don't look for approval or you will fail guaranteed.
Food for thought, it is possible to build a system that will perform well above it's cost. $12k can give you a system that can keep up easily with a system twice the price or more.


Thank you for your post. I do appreciate what you're saying. But reality dictates that I will have to have a certain amount of trust in the judgement of others. I will never have the opportunity to go listen to all the audio systems discussed in this thread. I will be lucky to be able to audition just a few of them. But the more I can become familiar with many of the name brands of top shelf audio systems the better. Just knowing how highly regarded various components are is a big help. My ears can do the rest with driving distance being a limiting factor.

I live in a geographical area where there is only one high end audio shop within a reasonable driving distance (1 1/2 hours). The next closest is about 4 hours. Between those stores I won't even begin to scratch the surface of trying out a significant number of high end audio gear. So, like it or not, I have to depend heavily on the judgement of others regarding certain brands and models of audio gear.

I'm just getting back to the high end audio hobby after about a 40 year hiatus. I'm already overwhelmed by the shear numbers of new companies. And it takes just as long to learn/relearn of all the companies that have existed for decades. I'm glad I have a year to research and learn about high end audio. I'll need it. But, when it comes to learning about current audio systems, I wish I lived in the Chicago area or Florida or California or other highly populated area.

With all that considered would you like to recommend a sub $12,000 system? I appreciate your high end audio expertise and would like to hear your recommendations. If you prefer not to, that's OK too. Either way, thank you for posting.
 
Axpona (an audio show) will be at Chicago very soon and is not that far from you. It would be well worth a trip up there.
You would be able to hear a great many pieces of gear and get an idea of what kind of sound you like.
To have others make suggestions would require more info. Like how large is your room, how loud would you play the system, what type of music do you listen to? Are there any speakers/systems that you have heard recently that you like?
Many Many ways to spend $12K
 
Harbeth C7 Anniversary - $5000
Hegel 360 - $6000
Lumin U1 mini - $2000
And I’m sure I’ve got some cables I can give you.

Package deal from Mike - $12k


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This is just a rough sketch you can play with:

Aries G1 / G2 (server/streamer) --- $2,500 / $4,000
Primaluna Tube Pre-amps: $2,200 - $4,500
Elac Navis ARF-51 speakers (active) - $4,000
Elac Navis ARB-51 speakers (active) - $2,000

That can put you (roughly) about $10.5k - $12.5k on the high end (depending on what you buy or don't buy), with the rest dedicated to power conditioners and cables.

UMI Power Conditioner (Amazon)
Furman PST-8D Power Conditioner (Amazon)
iFi AC iPurifier (Amazon)
Ice Age Power Cables
[insert any high end RCA/XLR cables]
 
Welcome to the forum, thank you for joining.

This is just a rough sketch you can play with:

Aries G1 / G2 --- $2,500 / $4,000
Primaluna Tube Pre-amps: $2,200 - $4,500
Navis ARF-51 speakers (active) - $2,000

That puts you about $10.5k on the high end, with the rest dedicated to power conditioners and cables.

UMI Power Conditioner (Amazon)
Furman PST-8D Power Conditioner (Amazon)
iFi AC iPurifier (Amazon)
Ice Age Power Cables
[insert any high end RCA/XLR cables]
 
Harbeth C7 Anniversary - $5000
Hegel 360 - $6000
Lumin U1 mini - $2000
And I’m sure I’ve got some cables I can give you.

Package deal from Mike - $12k


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Ha Mike, I like your choices!
We're very close aren't we.

I wouldn't take the Harbeths, but you already know I don't really like them.

That package seems like a nice deal. :thumbsup:


PS What I would recommend is to visit indeed a dealer with many different systems, to get the taste, and attend a couple of audio shows.
 
Here’s another one:

Gryphon 120 w/ DAC
Harbeth 30.2
AQ Rocket 88 LS cables + AQ ICs

Might be slightly over budget, but good sound.

For a slightly more affordable amp try T+A PA2500 R.

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great exercise to help with research before purchasing. hard to know exactly what you would like best, so here is a system i would research for myself. i have also listed a higher priced speaker that i would consider as an alternative:

12k system
$2,895 ... still audio el84 integrated amp
$4,695 ... omega speaker systems super alnico high output XRS
$4,200 ... t+a dac 8 dsd
$2,000 ... lumin u1-mini network transport

$13,790 msrp but street price will close to or maybe less than the $12k

speaker upgrade:
$12,500 ... viking acoustics briton III halvdan ...price is also msrp

also, if you are handy with a screwdriver and familiar with computer software installation you can build an exceptional DIY fanless server/transport to run roon ROCK for about $1,100. similarly (but not as well) spec'd pieces are $2,500 and up.
 
If you shop used of demo like I do $12k can get a full range system. The best sounding combination I ended up witt was the Usher Be-20DMD's with a Hegel h360 driving it. those two pieces combined for $10k that leaves $2k for a streamer and wires, the hegel has a good sounding dac built in.
 
Here’s another one:

Gryphon 120 w/ DAC
Harbeth 30.2
AQ Rocket 88 LS cables + AQ ICs

Might be slightly over budget, but good sound.

For a slightly more affordable amp try T+A PA2500 R.

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slightly over budget : Diablo 120 integrated amplifier-DAC ($15,450 USD, Harbeth 30.2 what close to $6400 thats more than slightly its like way way over by $9800 :D
 
My budget was $20,000 to $25,000 but, so far, I've learned I might not have to spend that much to have an excellent system. I still could make that my budget if necessary. But It looks like I'll have to spend less than my initial estimate. So now I'm thinking roughly $12,000 to $15,000 could do the job extremely well.

I'm loving the system recommendations. Keep 'em coming. I'm starting to see some redundancy in the recommendations and that's a good thing. But I'll consider any of the recommendations if I can have the opportunity to audition them. Thank you so much for the recommendations so far. As I said above...keep 'em coming. Much of my auditioning will come from the systems you're recommending.
 
My budget was $20,000 to $25,000 but, so far, I've learned I might not have to spend that much to have an excellent system. I still could make that my budget if necessary. But It looks like I'll have to spend less than my initial estimate. So now I'm thinking roughly $12,000 to $15,000 could do the job extremely well.

I'm loving the system recommendations. Keep 'em coming. I'm starting to learn of some of the best out there. Thank you so much for the recommendations so far.

Call Mike tell him your room size, music taste and give him your credit card number, all will be better at your budget limit :D
 
Thank you for your post. I do appreciate what you're saying. But reality dictates that I will have to have a certain amount of trust in the judgement of others. I will never have the opportunity to go listen to all the audio systems discussed in this thread. I will be lucky to be able to audition just a few of them. But the more I can become familiar with many of the name brands of top shelf audio systems the better. Just knowing how highly regarded various components are is a big help. My ears can do the rest with driving distance being a limiting factor.

I live in a geographical area where there is only one high end audio shop within a reasonable driving distance (1 1/2 hours). The next closest is about 4 hours. Between those stores I won't even begin to scratch the surface of trying out a significant number of high end audio gear. So, like it or not, I have to depend heavily on the judgement of others regarding certain brands and models of audio gear. I'm just getting back to the high end audio hobby after about a 40 year hiatus. I'm already overwhelmed by the shear numbers of new companies. And it takes just as long to learn/relearn of all the companies that have existed for decades. I'm glad I have a year to research and learn about high end audio. I'll need it. But, when it comes to learning about current audio systems, I wish I lived in the Chicago area or Florida or California or other highly populated area.

With all that considered would you like to recommend a sub $12,000 system? I appreciate your high end audio expertise and would like to hear your recommendations. If you prefer not to, that's OK too. Either way, thank you for posting.

I can not recommend an entire system, nobody can. That is foolish to even try. I would question anyone recommending an entire system right off the bat because since you can't hear it you have no idea whether it works for you or not and if it doesn't you have blown your whole wad on dissatisfaction. If you are anything like me, you can only do this once, there is no money for do-overs, your decisions have to be as educated and vetted as possible.
I don't like to strongly recommend particular pieces in this manner because it is completely subjective. What I like, others will not and visa versa. I can tell you my experience with this or that, but it will likely not be the same as yours.

I am glad you are taking a year to research this, that should be enough. The best thing to do first is ask yourself the following questions:

1) What are your dominate media formats for listening (vinyl, CD, stream, PC, etc)? This is important as it initially narrows down the type of gear to look at.

2) What size is the room you plan on having the system in and how much space can you allow for the electronics and the speakers? Cramming a pair of towers into a rather small room will severely limit your sound quality because the will be no room for setup.

3)What kind of overall sound signature do you like most (something that leans toward the warm side of neutral or the bright side? Something that is mostly flat? Something that is more analytical or fun and musical? etc)?

I do highly recommend building this system one piece at a time. I also recommend sectioning your budget. For example: so much allocated to the amp, so much to speakers, etc.
I do recommend starting with the speakers. I would also allocate the largest portion of your budget to speakers. Without good and the right speakers for you, nothing else will matter. I can't tell you how much of your $12k to allocate to the speakers, but no need to go crazy with something like $9k or $10k. You can get incredibly fantastic speakers to your liking for as little as just under $1k. I'm not saying to limit yourself to that amount, it is just an example of what is possible. In other words, if you really like a pair of speakers and they check all the boxes for you, but they are say, $1200 for example and not considered "high-end" or "audiophile" by most of those folks, DO NOT let that influence your decision! This system is for you, nobody else.

Once you have the speakers next you will want to find the amp. It is far easier to find the amp after you select the speakers because you need to match amp to speakers. Beyond just load requirements (4 ohm, 6 ohm, 8 ohm) you need to match the signature timbre of sound. If you have bright speakers you do not want an amp the leans toward the forward side of neutral (bright). In that case you would want an amp that is as close to neutral as possible or something that leans towards the warm side of neutral.

After you have that, you can then work on the source gear.

I would not worry about cables. Cables may give you about 1% sound "improvement" at best. No need to go nuts, just get decent ones, hell, some $30 or $40 interconnects will more than do the job. Same with speaker cable, you can get away with a lot or make your own from Beldin or Canare or one of the industry standards like that. (That is what a lot of the uber expensive cable makers use).

At the end of the day you want to have some money left over for music if you do other than streaming. In fact, the goal is also to come in under budget by any amount.

I live in California, but let me tell you, there may be a few more shops around, but not much. For me I only have four within driving distance and the closest one of them I would not trust as far as I could throw them. Another one is some distance, but doable. Another is just a shade too much of a drive.

If you are comfortable with this, I would also recommend contacting those makes that allow for in-home demo. That is becoming more and more popular. One example would be PS Audio, there are others, I just can't think of them off the top of my head right now. For speakers it is a challenge. there might be some makes that will lend bookshelf speakers for demo, but towers, no. The shipping alone makes it a non-starter.
There is usually a charge for in-home demos so be aware. I would narrow it down to two choices if possible if you are going to go the in-home demo route. That way you don't spend 30% of your budget doing that.

If it comes to the shove, you can get speakers first and if you have nothing to hook them up to, you can get a cheap integrated like an Outlaw or Marantz or something for $200 let's say to give you something to listen to while you shop for your main amp or what have you. If you have an amp already, by all means use that as long as it can handle the speaker load.

This is just my take in a nutshell. I'm not an audiophile by any stretch. I just like and know good sound quality for my music. Music is the most important to me. The gear is just a means to an ends. I do have experience in the industry including journalistic, but that adds up to a whole lot of nothing. I'm just a realist.
 
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