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Would it be reasonable to assume that when we purchase a product that the item meets the specifications that the manufacture presents to the novice consumer?
Do we make the casual effort to verify and if so...what is a credible verification process?
I know that I blindly accept specification claims and have never once looked to prove that these specification claims are truthful. Frankly, I have no idea how to validate a manufacture specification claims. Be it Apple, McIntosh, Sony, LG or any manufacture for that mater. How do we verify that what we are buying is actually what the manufacture claims? I don't know...I just choose to trust them and hope that it's all true.
In recent weeks, I inadvertently had my McIntosh C1000 tested for noise and learned the following that now leads me to question manufacture specification claims.
I state inadvertently because the test performed was not a request and I was not suspicious, it was an end result that 'poked the bear'. Now I ask myself, is what these audio manufactures claim actually truthful, mostly true, partially true, not true at all, or do I simply have a manufacture defect? How does once go about validating ones investment?
Regarding the test, there is a high frequency issue that is not ordinarily heard until you introduce a pro mastering product into the McIntosh loop. The pro device is best described as a bit of a a tattletale. The nature of the product is to audibly tell you the truth about the signal being distributed - at least, that is how it is explained to me.
I learned that normally, my ears would never now that my C1000 is a bit noisy in the high frequency range. But...since I normally can not hear that range of signal...I ask...does it matter?
Back to the pro mastering device. The technician determining product fault in writing stated the following: “I found (300-500 mV random spikes of 100-200 uS at a period of 100-500mS) continuously on the output of their unit." Their unit, the McIntosh C1000. I asked the technician. Is it the Tube or Solid State end. The reply. Both ends are noisy. To me that is a bit odd to have both products producing a fault?
We as consumers and uncommonly passionate about our adoration for tunes - invest 10s to 100s of thousands of dollars into products that make technical claims that we have purchased the most pure and elite products on the market to enjoy what we love most....music.
So...how do we go about validating manufacture claims?
Granted, the test was done by another vendor and likely predisposition to defend their product. I get that and it is fair to project some dis-credibility. Does it makes sense to hire a reputable third neutral part testing facility that is scientifically controlled/balanced test the products...which I am doing on this week? Expensive? You bet. But, at this point, I have already invested financially...why not validate all my equipment...right?
On the the other hand, it was presented to me by a friend to just suck it up [digest the pro-audio master device loss...don't use it] and remove the tattletale component and turn to to a blind eye. Accept the flaw and move on. This is certainly the easier and least expensive path, yes?
Have you tested your products and do they meet the specification claims? Of course, simply buying an oscilloscope from Amazon isn't enough. From what I have learned, is that you have to bring your products to a facility that is a LAB. Balanced. A professional testing facility. If you are to have any credibility...just a guess, you need to go to a military grade facility and above test your gear.
Thoughts?
Do we make the casual effort to verify and if so...what is a credible verification process?
I know that I blindly accept specification claims and have never once looked to prove that these specification claims are truthful. Frankly, I have no idea how to validate a manufacture specification claims. Be it Apple, McIntosh, Sony, LG or any manufacture for that mater. How do we verify that what we are buying is actually what the manufacture claims? I don't know...I just choose to trust them and hope that it's all true.
In recent weeks, I inadvertently had my McIntosh C1000 tested for noise and learned the following that now leads me to question manufacture specification claims.
I state inadvertently because the test performed was not a request and I was not suspicious, it was an end result that 'poked the bear'. Now I ask myself, is what these audio manufactures claim actually truthful, mostly true, partially true, not true at all, or do I simply have a manufacture defect? How does once go about validating ones investment?
Regarding the test, there is a high frequency issue that is not ordinarily heard until you introduce a pro mastering product into the McIntosh loop. The pro device is best described as a bit of a a tattletale. The nature of the product is to audibly tell you the truth about the signal being distributed - at least, that is how it is explained to me.
I learned that normally, my ears would never now that my C1000 is a bit noisy in the high frequency range. But...since I normally can not hear that range of signal...I ask...does it matter?
Back to the pro mastering device. The technician determining product fault in writing stated the following: “I found (300-500 mV random spikes of 100-200 uS at a period of 100-500mS) continuously on the output of their unit." Their unit, the McIntosh C1000. I asked the technician. Is it the Tube or Solid State end. The reply. Both ends are noisy. To me that is a bit odd to have both products producing a fault?
We as consumers and uncommonly passionate about our adoration for tunes - invest 10s to 100s of thousands of dollars into products that make technical claims that we have purchased the most pure and elite products on the market to enjoy what we love most....music.
So...how do we go about validating manufacture claims?
Granted, the test was done by another vendor and likely predisposition to defend their product. I get that and it is fair to project some dis-credibility. Does it makes sense to hire a reputable third neutral part testing facility that is scientifically controlled/balanced test the products...which I am doing on this week? Expensive? You bet. But, at this point, I have already invested financially...why not validate all my equipment...right?
On the the other hand, it was presented to me by a friend to just suck it up [digest the pro-audio master device loss...don't use it] and remove the tattletale component and turn to to a blind eye. Accept the flaw and move on. This is certainly the easier and least expensive path, yes?
Have you tested your products and do they meet the specification claims? Of course, simply buying an oscilloscope from Amazon isn't enough. From what I have learned, is that you have to bring your products to a facility that is a LAB. Balanced. A professional testing facility. If you are to have any credibility...just a guess, you need to go to a military grade facility and above test your gear.
Thoughts?
