Nord One Up Ncore NC500 amps, Class D ready for prime time .....

I mentioned my concerns with Colin. Fell on deaf ears. I trust my ears and my system and the Hypex NC400 are the winners in this arena.

Yes but you still don't know if the boards, or the opamps are faulty. Lack of measurement gear has been my biggest criticism with the Nords from day 1. It's certainly not an issue with the Hypex components. The same guy designed both units and there's no question that both the supply and amp module is superior.
 
I compared even the NC-500 with the stock Hypex input boards against the NC-400's with probably 20 people, and they all preferred the 500's. The upgraded boards with sil994's were a huge step up from them.
 
Well your recommendation pulls you in, maybe you should take them and bring them up to snuff, come through and you're King ...
 
Well your recommendation pulls you in, maybe you should take them and bring them up to snuff, come through and you're King ...

No I'm not interested in the stand alone amp market. Since Marty is the first person I've heard of that likes the NC-400's better than any of the NC-500 based amps out there, it makes me think something is simply not right.
 
It's not about you selling , it's about you helping out a fellow shark with more than hyperbole, install your trick boards and prove your point, it may even help Colin ...
 
It's not about you selling , it's about you helping out a fellow shark with more than hyperbole, install your trick boards and prove your point, it may even help Colin ...

Exactly why he should send them to me. I'll measure them with an APX-555. If they look anything worse than this with the SIL-994 installed, there's something wrong:

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Though I believe my NORD One Up NC500 mono amps with new RevC boards and SI op amps sound amazing, I'd be interested in some independent testing, Mike. I've got the Sparkos op amps on order (shipping from the Denver, CO area on Monday to me). They should be here in just a couple of days. I'd like to install them to compare to the SI modules, but would be willing to ship both op amp sets and the amps to you for measurements after I get a little time with the Sparkos.

What internal parts would you require?....or would it be best to ship both amp chassis complete for your testing purposes?

Thanks.
 
Though I believe my NORD One Up NC500 mono amps with new RevC boards and SI op amps sound amazing, I'd be interested in some independent testing, Mike. I've got the Sparkos op amps on order (shipping from the Denver, CO area on Monday to me). They should be here in just a couple of days. I'd like to install them to compare to the SI modules, but would be willing to ship both op amp sets and the amps to you for measurements after I get a little time with the Sparkos.

What internal parts would you require?....or would it be best to ship both amp chassis complete for your testing purposes?

Thanks.

I'm currently waiting for custom boards from 4 different countries for the system I'm working on. Once I receive these boards, I'll be renting an APX-555 for a couple weeks to do some extensive testing and experimentation. It would be best to send just the input boards in at that time. However your boards sound like they are perfectly fine. So Marty's boards would probably be the better ones to test. But I suppose if both of you guys sent them in, it would be even better. I can share measured results of both of the boards and see if the board to board consistency is good.
 
Mike

Didn't Colin order the Rev C boards from a different supplier for speed of delivery or cost. If so their QC may not be up to standard and from what you are saying Colin hasn't checked behind them. I think MikeCh and Marty need to get together by PM and see what is different in what they are hearing. Like you said earlier it could be bad boards or bad SI's. I had them in my cart and was about to pull the trigger now that Colin has put the price back to it's original point, but I would like to see where the problem lies first. It would seem to be a prudent thing for Colin to do if Marty contacted him about an issue to try and resolve it with another pair of boards instead of not acknowledging a possible problem. Could something have happened in shipping that would need the boards or Op Amps to need re-seating? I had Joe's Sparko boards for several weeks and they were fine.
 
Mike

Didn't Colin order the Rev C boards from a different supplier for speed of delivery or cost. If so their QC may not be up to standard and from what you are saying Colin hasn't checked behind them. I think MikeCh and Marty need to get together by PM and see what is different in what they are hearing. Like you said earlier it could be bad boards or bad SI's. I had them in my cart and was about to pull the trigger now that Colin has put the price back to it's original point, but I would like to see where the problem lies first. It would seem to be a prudent thing for Colin to do if Marty contacted him about an issue to try and resolve it with another pair of boards instead of not acknowledging a possible problem. Could something have happened in shipping that would need the boards or Op Amps to need re-seating? I had Joe's Sparko boards for several weeks and they were fine.

I highly doubt there's anything wrong with the PCB's themselves. Basically Colin used a circuit design that was a quick and dirty fix that Richard from Sonic Imagery labs came up with. It was based on the original Hypex OEM board circuit, with a few mods to help stabilize his opamp, and filter noise. What Colin did was simply designed a board based on this circuit on a computer, sent the Gerber file to a PCB manufacturing facility, and ordered up a bunch of boards. Once they arrived, he soldered resistors, capacitors, connectors etc, onto the boards, plugged them into some power supplies and NC-500 modules, and simply listened to them. They sounded good to him so he just figured good enough, done deal. Well maybe they are good, and maybe not as good as they could be. Even if the circuit design is good, the resistors, cap types, and layout is critical. That's not the way things really should be done IMO. He should listen, then measure to make sure that nothing is wrong. If something looks off in the measurements, you simply need to go back to square 1. I have been urging him to provide measurements, but he said he isn't gonna do it.

Every amp should go through a QC stage, verifying that everything is perfect. As much as I believe the end user should trust their ears, the manufacturing end is another story. The AP machines make QC very easy. Just plug the amps into the machine, let it run the full gamut of automatic tests, and it will tell you if it passes or fails. If it passes, then put it in the box and ship to the customer. But the drawback is, the best ones like the APX-555 is $33000.

And yes anything is possible during shipping. But it's really easy to see if the opamp is fully seated.

So although I think Colin is doing a great job and offering great amps for a great price, he really needs to invest in measurement gear. Even a cheap Picoscope is better than nothing.
 
Then maybe the only solution to this disparity is for Mike and Marty to talk and see what is different in what they are hearing. They are both experienced "audiophiles" with sophisticated enough gear to know what is different in the final result. It would help if Marty would say what he is hearing that is not right to him.
 
Then maybe the only solution to this disparity is for Mike and Marty to talk and see what is different in what they are hearing. They are both experienced "audiophiles" with sophisticated enough gear to know what is different in the final result. It would help if Marty would say what he is hearing that is not right to him.

Yeah, I had the NC400's for years, so I can easily explain how they sound different than all of the NC-500 based boards I built.
 
Honestly, I talked with EJ at Wyred 4 Sound about why he was using ICEPower versus NCore. He said he tried NCore, he actually showed me three he had on the shelf. They were all blown. He said there were stability issues with the NCores that he tried. He actually talked to Bruno and he said yes there was some stability issues.

Therefore EJ heavily modified the ICEPower for his use while he is designing a completely new amplifier circuit. His new one was shown at the RMAF and it won Best of Show. He is hoping to introduce the new series at the up coming Newport Show.

Yes but you still don't know if the boards, or the opamps are faulty. Lack of measurement gear has been my biggest criticism with the Nords from day 1. It's certainly not an issue with the Hypex components. The same guy designed both units and there's no question that both the supply and amp module is superior.
 
Honestly, I talked with EJ at Wyred 4 Sound about why he was using ICEPower versus NCore. He said he tried NCore, he actually showed me three he had on the shelf. They were all blown. He said there were stability issues with the NCores that he tried. He actually talked to Bruno and he said yes there was some stability issues.

Therefore EJ heavily modified the ICEPower for his use while he is designing a completely new amplifier circuit. His new one was shown at the RMAF and it won Best of Show. He is hoping to introduce the new series at the up coming Newport Show.

What amps were they?
 
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