New Wilson Benesch Resolution Speakers

First let me say, I'm a subwoofer guy. I've had subwoofers as part of my system for a long time and used a lot of different ones. The Torus is best one I've experienced. Only two downsides to it. One is the cost, it is expensive. Second, it is more placement sensitive than some of the alternatives. But, it terms of performance in a high end music (NOT home theater system), I have yet to hear anything better.
 
Annapolis Raider; just out of interest, have you heard the Resolutions and if so how do you think they compare to your Cardinals. I realise of course that you will have a natural bias . . .
 
Annapolis Raider; just out of interest, have you heard the Resolutions and if so how do you think they compare to your Cardinals. I realise of course that you will have a natural bias . . .

Yes, I have heard the Resolutions. But, I can't really make any meaningful comparison. I'm using a pair of Torus, along with a pair of CH M1s for amps. Comparing that to, Resolutions without subs and with amps , (not CH M1s :D), isn't fair.

My best guess is that they sound very similar in tone, with the Cardinals beating the Resolutions on things where size matters (Dynamic Capability, Bass weight and extension, Soundstage dimensions, etc.). By how much is an open question.....
 
First let me say, I'm a subwoofer guy. I've had subwoofers as part of my system for a long time and used a lot of different ones. The Torus is best one I've experienced. Only two downsides to it. One is the cost, it is expensive. Second, it is more placement sensitive than some of the alternatives. But, it terms of performance in a high end music (NOT home theater system), I have yet to hear anything better.


I did warn you... I still think fondly of my WB speakers.
 
All I can say is, it is my sincere hope that EVERYONE enjoys their system as much as I do. I have been involved in this hobby for over 30 years. My current system is a quantum leap beyond anything I've previously owned (Focal Grande Utopia/Gryphon, Maggie/CJ, Avantgarde Trio/Viva, Genesis II/CJ etc.) IMHO, Roy G in the review vastly understates the prowess of the system.
 
Hi all
Month ago I finally received my pair of Resolutions
Done break in for a month and now I think I can share my thoughts.
I heard Resonlution before only at Munich Show this year, I remember that I liked it very much but if you ask me now how exactly it sound back then I wouldn’t tell since quite much time pass by.
Just to mention, Resolution at show was paired to all CH precision equipment which is very good and of course expensive.
Now my setup is Vitus Signature pre and power SL-102 and SS-025 + Linn Klimax DAC
and my impression of speakers would be like that:
They have a very good stage , to my taste not enough bass and not enough mid bass which is very critical to me because that’s exactly what I looked for in this speakers.
In general the sound far from harsh and quite pleasant, but i wanted to have this a little blown mid bass that I don’t have.
Maybe the case is my equipment not powerful enough to reveal WB Resolution potential, I don’t know.
Recently I visit a friend who did speaker and power upgrade, he got Marten Bird 2 and NAT Audio tube power amp, the sound he got is amazing , he got that magical mid bass that I looked for.
So in general I quite disappointed since this upgrade was not cheap at all and looking for solutions, maybe not all is lost and what I have to do is power upgrade to finally get what I looked for.

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I was planning to order a pair of Resolutions today but had this exact same experience: staggeringly, unfathomably weak bass. It was exactly as Stigmater describes here.

It was so bad it has me baffled and confused about what was wrong with the setup or speakers that I heard? I cannot believe the Resolutions can be as totally absent of bass as I heard today? They were literally worse than average bookshelf speakers.

Im hoping somebody here can tell me if what I heard is really just how they sound? Or if this is totally uncharacteristic? Because I've listened to the tracks mentioned in the Absolute Sound review, and none are what I would use to qualify bass prowess.

The speakers sounded lovely with some Diana Krall. With Muddy Waters 'my home is in the delta', they were a lot less dynamic than Im used to. But the Trentemoller electronic tracks is where the near total absence of bass was shocking.

On the track 'Chameleon', a deep, warm bass tune kicks in at about the 30 second mark. These are mid 30 and 40 hz notes, at a guess. Even half-decent bookshelf speakers will play at least some of the notes loudly and give the foundation to the track. But on the Resolutions the entire bass tune - every note - was almost inaudible. It sounded like the entire bass line was being played by speakers in another room.

We checked the wiring and confirmed they were wired for full bass and not the -2 or -3db setups; though this sounded more like -20db than -2. We checked all our settings, tried 3 different amps, streamed the Tidal source from different devices, through different inputs and it was always the same.

We tried different Trentemoller tracks and tried playing loud and moderate. Other bass-heavy tracks were exactly the same. The bass was just ludicrously weak. It sucked all of the life and music out of the tracks; because a big part of the music was missing.

Even played loud, the bass lines and drums had absolutely no weight, punch or kick. There was no vibration through the floor or percussion through the air at all.

It sounded like playing the speakers in the middle of an empty field, or the woofers had accidentally been wired out of phase. It makes no sense how bad they were.

My current speakers are Sonus Faber Olympica 3's. The Olympicas have two 7-inch bass drivers versus FIVE 6.5 inch drivers in the Resolutions. Plus the Resolution's drivers are housed in cabinets of twice the volume and 3x the mass. Physics suggests the Resolutions should be capable of substantially more bass. Even the specs confirm the Resolutions go to 30hz at -2db; Olympicas go to 35hz at -3db.

So how on earth do the Olympicas absolutely trounce the Resolutions I heard for every aspect of bass? The Olympicas are great speakers, but they are far from the last word in bass depth.

I heard the Resolutions in a medium sized demo room (maybe 25-30sqm?). The room was quite lively (acoustically), despite acoustic treatments and carpeted floor. I think the carpet is directly onto the concrete slab though?

Amplification was some big CH monoblocks (not sure of the exact model), a big Vitus integrated, and I bought along one of my Devialet amps, configured as a Devialet 200. Speaker cable was crystal cable, which I am not convinced is ideal, but cannot be entirely responsible for what I heard. Source was Tidal via a CH digital streamer which I know was not rubbish.

All 3 amps sounded different, but the overall character and attributes of the speaker were essentially the same.

Speakers had about 100 hours on them. So not fully run in; but far from fresh out of the box.

Has anybody else found anything similar?
 
Welcome to the forum. I would guess they need a lot more break in.


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Have you experimented with different speaker positioning in the room? From your description of the problem I'd suspect some bass cancellation room nodes as a possible cause, which might be able to be addressed with some experimentation on speaker positioning.
 
Have you experimented with different speaker positioning in the room? From your description of the problem I'd suspect some bass cancellation room nodes as a possible cause, which might be able to be addressed with some experimentation on speaker positioning.
I wondered that too, Audio.Bill. But, as much as positioning can improve sound, this was way beyond something that positioning would fix.

I wondered about nodes so I walked around the room, and even outside the room. It was consistent with what I heard in the listening position. And nodes would not explain why the entire range from, im guessing, 50-20hz was so quiet.

We will try again in a couple of weeks. Im planning to take my Olympicas there so I can hear them side by side to confirm what the issue is.

But, from those of you who have heard these speakers, would you describe the entire lower bass region of the Resolution's performance as being extraordinarily thin and weak? Is the severe bass deficiency the reason they seem to typically be run with Torus subs (sorry, 'infra's' ;-) ).
 
Here is the Wilson Benesch Resolution driven by the new dartZeel NHB-108 Model Two. Very nice!

Ken

 
Turns out the Resolutions that I heard on demo had been wired incorrectly internally so the isobaric woofers were running out of phase, cancelling the bass. We switched the jumpers over and what do you know: decent bass!

The bass still does not reach as deep or carry the weight I am used to from my Sonus Faber Olympica 3's - which still makes no sense to me - but, as the reviews say, the speed and detail is incredible. And every other aspect of the sound is absolutely amazing. They are so easy to listen to that I just got completely caught up in every track I played.

I ordered a pair. Im just hoping the bass improves a bit more in my room.
 
Turns out the Resolutions that I heard on demo had been wired incorrectly internally so the isobaric woofers were running out of phase, cancelling the bass. We switched the jumpers over and what do you know: decent bass!

The bass still does not reach as deep or carry the weight I am used to from my Sonus Faber Olympica 3's - which still makes no sense to me - but, as the reviews say, the speed and detail is incredible. And every other aspect of the sound is absolutely amazing. They are so easy to listen to that I just got completely caught up in every track I played.

I ordered a pair. Im just hoping the bass improves a bit more in my room.

Congrats on your purchase! You could always augment the speakers’ bass response with a fast pair of subwoofers like JL Audio or Magico.

Ken
 
Turns out the Resolutions that I heard on demo had been wired incorrectly internally so the isobaric woofers were running out of phase, cancelling the bass. We switched the jumpers over and what do you know: decent bass!

The bass still does not reach as deep or carry the weight I am used to from my Sonus Faber Olympica 3's - which still makes no sense to me - but, as the reviews say, the speed and detail is incredible. And every other aspect of the sound is absolutely amazing. They are so easy to listen to that I just got completely caught up in every track I played.

I ordered a pair. Im just hoping the bass improves a bit more in my room.

Congrats!! Be sure to post pics.


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