New Magico Speakers

I really would like to hear this setup (Q5 and Devialet Monos). I definitely keep an open mind.


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hyfry said:
i'm a proud owner of the Q5, which was purchased after extensive listening to all models many times. assuming you have enough power to drive the Q5 (they are power hungry beasts), they'll come to life and eat an S5 for breakfast. it's important to recognize that the s series versus the Q5 are operating at very different efficiencies. don't come to a Q5 with a tube amp or something that isn't ready to tackle a 85db/w/m type of load. i'm using two devialet monoblocks which are more than ample. and yes, regarding above, they're super neutral. and for the size, they'll drive dynamics and low frequency energy in a large room unlike anything else their size. i've never heard bass clarity from any speaker like the Q5. only thing better is the Q7!
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That, to me, sounds right.
 
NorthStar said:
The speakers, the gear, ...have no soul;
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Bob, interesting. But, if music has soul, then can a speaker sound musical and therefore have soul? What about amps? The Shindo folks believe their amps possess a magical musical mystique. (NOTE: Volks need not respond). LMAO. :)




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NorthStar said:
The speakers, the gear, ...have no soul; the artists (some), their music have. It's just a function to know which (speaker matched with the right gear) is a better soul reproducer, for ourselves (oneself), our own soul.

No two people are touched the same, in their soul. There is no absolute, only sound vibrations that resonate in the human's chords. ...Ears to emotional impact; inner soul.

The higher/deeper we go into our own soul, the more personal/interstitial becomes that journey.
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Mike said:
Bob, interesting. But, if music has soul, then can a speaker sound musical* and therefore have soul? What about amps? The Shindo folks believe their amps possess a magical musical mystique. (NOTE: Volks need not respond). LMAO. :)
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Mike, I added to my previous post; look at my own above quote.

* A speaker cannot sound musical; it can sound soft, hard, smooth, harsh, full, analytic, ...tons of other audio wording attributes, but musical is from the music itself; its pleasing tonalities, qualities that some of the musicians have. ...Just a simple distinction on a word used and in the way it is constructed (phrase to define a certain attribute).

Again, we're free to say that a certain speaker sounds musical, but it is vague. ...I think.
 
A post on the WBF forum says rumor has it Monday will be an announcement. I sure hope they aren't like Berkeley Audio with their new DAC. It seems they have had a picture on their site saying coming soon for at least 6 months. It makes me wonder if they are having design or manufacturing issues.

Anyway, let's hope Mike buys a pair, and sells them 3 months later. :)
 
BlueFox said:
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Anyway, let's hope Mike buys a pair, and sells them 3 months later. :)
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May I queue up now!:P

I have heard the Q3 at the dealer's and my friend's place at length. I still prefer the overall presentation of the S5. I think the Q3 and the S5 are voiced differently. To me, it is not one superior to the other.
 
hyfry said:
i'm using two devialet monoblocks which are more than ample. and yes, regarding above, they're super neutral. and for the size, they'll drive dynamics and low frequency energy in a large room unlike anything else their size. i've never heard bass clarity from any speaker like the Q5.
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If you don't mind, could you tell us more about the size of your room and associated gear? And I have to say, I agree that a properly driven Q5 is an amazing speaker. But to Mike's point, the absolute neutrality and accuracy it provides are not for everyone, hence the S Series which I'm sure outsells the Q by a wide margin.
 
The only thing musical or magical is the music. Gear is gear end of story. We may fall in love with a piece of gear but only because we love the way in which it presents the music's magic.
 
Too true :)

BlueFox said:
A post on the WBF forum says rumor has it Monday will be an announcement. I sure hope they aren't like Berkeley Audio with their new DAC. It seems they have had a picture on their site saying coming soon for at least 6 months. It makes me wonder if they are having design or manufacturing issues.

Anyway, let's hope Mike buys a pair, and sells them 3 months later. :)
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LVB said:
These new lines look nothing like simple to me. Look at the thickness of the top plate, and if you saw a Q up close, you would realize that these curved front baffles are anything but easy. I also do not see how they can squeeze another price point between the S and the Q. Cheap(er) this will not be…
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Wow! Defensive a bit are we? I am sure you are a proud Magico owner as you should be! They are engineering accomplishments for sure. Congrats on owning one. Now let's go back to my comments and let me try to explain what I was saying because clearly it was misunderstood. Let me post two images for you from the Magico website and you can tell me which is "simpler and less labor intensive to produce" which are by the way words used in the Magico website to describe the S vs Q platforms:

Q5 Internal Structure and Bracing:
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S5 INternal Structure and Bracing:
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The quote from Magico website on the S5 enclosure:

Cabinet bracing is ensured by the use of machined formers that are more simple than the highly complex interlocking architecture of the heroic Q series, and thus less-labor intensive.
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My point about the M series I was trying to make is that it looks like it has the enclosure of the S series (as stated above that uses machined bracing formers as opposed to the interlocking mechanism that you see above you which is all hand assembled) and is clearly a lot less labor-intensive and hence cheaper to produce/assemble/manufacture. The M series also looks like it uses the curved baffle of the Q series. What I stated in my original post is that to produce a curved baffle on the Q all you need is a slab of aluminum of the right size which you feed through a CNC machine and let it rip for X hours and out comes a curved baffle. In terms of manufacturing complexity, not very complex to make. In terms of manufacturing cost, apart form the cost of the aircraft-grade aluminum slab which is significant and the CNC-machine time, not very costly to put together. In fact, if you go to YG's website I believe they have a bunch of videos on their use of the CNC machines and the point they make there is that CNC machines are quite costly to buy, and so from a manufacturer's perspective, the name of the game is to get maximum productivity out of a CNC machine to justify it's cost, so those machines are on producing various speaker panels, baffles, and other components, pretty much 24/7.

Put it all together, if my assumptions from a teaser photo are correct, you get the S enclosure (cheaper to produce than a Q platform) but with the benefits of the Qs curved baffle , which is costly but a high-production item given that it's CNC-machined item, and perhaps Q-series drivers married to tweaks in the cross-overs and you get a speaker line that is costlier than the S-series to put together but cheaper than the Q.

Nothing I said in my original post was meant to (nor did it in fact) say that Magico speakers are simple, cheap, or under-engineered. Enjoy your Magico speakers.
 

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Sorry, I guess you misread my post. I was not offended in any way. Simply stated my views.
 
LVB said:
Sorry, I guess you misread my post. I was not offended in any way. Simply stated my views.
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No apologies needed. I just wanted to make sure I explained my original post more clearly as well.
 
Well, if it matters, I owned Q5's for about a year. I liked them. I ran the whole gig. Spectral mono blocks, MIT cabling etc. Still very difficult to drive, and a real challenge at low volume. I now own S5's and prefer them for my situation. A far fuller and warmer sound at lower volume. My neighbors are thankful. I just can't justify the price difference, and quite frankly, I don't think many can. Maybe that's the reason for the new model.
 
I'm not expert, but to my eye it appears the drivers (other than the tweeter) are mounted on a separate subframe as in the Q series rather than on the front panel as in the S series. So I'd say the internal structure is more like the Q series than the S series.
 
And the next day is Tuesday.... :)


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Bob...I see the Magico marketing machine has gotten their hooks into you nice and deep. You are waiting with baited breath as they say :D
 
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