New Magico speakers arriving 04/2015!

mauidan said:
A $45-50K S7 would only make sense if the Q3 upgrade(midrange,tweeter and X-over) took it to $65K.
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With the S5 in M Coat finish listing at $36,500, it's hard to imagine the S7 coming in under $45k in M Coat given the extra 10" bass driver, extra metal. presumably updated drivers, more expensive caps etc.
 
I just hope they have really tested the drivers to verify they can withstand whatever power rating the speaker is given. For example, the S5 is rated to 1200 watts, but appears to be a bit fragile when approaching that number. Anyway, I bet this speaker will approach the M in terms of sonics. The M is a limited edition to justify its price, while Magico will make as many of these as they can sell. I know I would like to step up.
 
Bud, your amps would have any speakers begging for mercy! :lol:
 
BlueFox said:
I just hope they have really tested the drivers to verify they can withstand whatever power rating the speaker is given. For example, the S5 is rated to 1200 watts, but appears to be a bit fragile when approaching that number.
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Where did you get that number from ? I don't think the S5 can withstand more than 200-300W of continous power.
 
Thought it was high too. But, its on the Magico website. Recommended power of 50 - 1200 watts. Wow :eek:
 
Elberoth said:
Where did you get that number from ? I don't think the S5 can withstand more than 200-300W of continous power.
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I believe they meant you can use amps with that much power on tap, but not necessarely excersise it in full. They should be more specyfic IMO. I'm not aware of any consumer speaker that is able to handle 1200w continnously.
 
My CH amp has a digital power meter. In my medium sized room (just under 400 square feet), I read about 125watts of power output driving my S5s to ear hurting levels (for me anyway). And that's at peak. I've seen as low as a fraction of a watt for still listenable levels. 1200 watts must only be at peak and that would be insanely loud given the experience in my room!
 
It is doubtful that 1200 watt figure (assuming it is a peak power figure) was measured in "true rms" which is a tougher measurement. It's kind of a meaningless spec anyway as current, stability & to some extent, damping factor are more important considerations in an amp's ability to properly control a speaker load. There is an old saying truly powerful amps tend to be heavy because of their robust power supplies. For example, the big Accuphase M-6200 weighs 40kg and quotes 150 watts continuous power @8 ohms, whilst my Vitus SIA-025 integrated weighs 42kg and has "only" 25 watts Class A power @8 ohms, yet the little Vitus is able to properly control my S5's in my medium size room to volume levels that would get me thrown out of my apartment! It just shows you can't get too hung up on specs.
 
Don't forget Bud is talking from experience about this, not speculating or guessing, another of his Friday night explosive endeavours :snicker:
 
For most other speakers, distortions would set in when the SPL gets very high. I was actually quite impressed that the S5 stay composed with little hint of distortions during the few times I drove it to ear splitting levels.
 
Not to side-track this thread, since I just hope the new speakers don't have driver issues at higher power. However, when I accidentally had my preamp at its max, and I assume the amps were putting out their rated 1200 watts, or at least close to it, I was literally being POUNDED by the sound. I was just sitting there amazed that they could play so LOUD, and sound so good. I was expecting to hear clipping, distortion, or something to indicate I had gone too loud. Of course, what I did eventually hear was silence as I blew the right mid and tweeter.

I would hate for someone to accidentally do that to the new speaker. When I see a speaker power rating of 50-1200 watts I assume it is the same power rating as an amp manufactuer rating their amp at, for example, 600W @ 8ohms, and 1200W @ 4 ohms.
 
Kuoppis said:
I think the curved baffles are reminicent of the past, originally introduced in the V Series. Would not be surprised if they're history in future models.

Occasio preceps, tempus fugit, experimentum pericolosum - all this evidencing this or that is quite fun.
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The curved front baffle was introduced in the original Mini. Then retained in the Mini 2.

With the curved baffle and curved sides of the M Project, I would speculate that Magico will retain the curved baffle in their flagship line. The speculation about future models is indeed fun.
 
Kuoppis said:
Well, care to take another look at how the Magicos with a baffle look underneath? And then those without in comparison? You might find out that the baffle helps the ones with a baffle to get a similar outer casing shape to those without (rounded corners, less flat surfaces). It's the manufacturing method of the casing which determines whether you need a baffle or not.

For better understanding, this baffle costs fifty bucks to manufacture, and in a speaker with a market price in the tens of thousands it actually affects the total cost really a chicken dip in relation to the overall cost. If the S series would need one, they would have one.
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And what would you say about the hidden driver fasteners in the Q series and M Project relative to the exposed ones in the S series?
 
LVB said:
A slab of ~80 lbs., hard anodized, 3D CNC machined, 6061 T6 aluminum for only $50?? Where do you get your numbers from?
Charles is absolutely right, a curved baffle, is indeed a good, but very costly, feature.
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In fact this is one of the reasons the Q7II is so costly to upgrade. They have to remachine or replace that massive front baffle because the new tweeter is 2mm larger in diameter. The curved baffle is extremely expensive to manufacture. I don't know where the $50 figure came from.
 
Bodhi said:
Assuming the S7 has some filter down technology from the M Pro (perhaps an outsourced version of the diamond-coated beryllium tweeter, upgraded x-over & polycarbonate midrange enclosure), then my guess is the price will be in the $45-$50k range. I don't think the S7 will get the graphene midrange. At this price point, based on the success of the M Pro, I bet the S7's would spank the Vandy 7 and many other speakers in that price territory.
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I have heard the S5 and Alexia in the same system. The former, costing $20K less, sounded much better. The S5 is an outstanding value, IMO. If the S7 is around $50K, it will have others (Wilson, Rockport) a bit worried I would think.

I think the S line offers a very high value and is quite successful for Magico. The Q line is built to a higher standard, sounds better (IMO) but it is much more expensive.
 
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