MSB Reference DAC
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Ctsooner
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yes that's all you need. When I was told about this, I questioned it big time. I know of one person who didn't like it, but his system was very low res. Others have liked what it did. very subtle.
Ctsooner
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yes that's all you need. When I was told about this, I questioned it big time. I know of one person who didn't like it, but his system was very low res. Others have liked what it did. very subtle.
Kingrex
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Never mind, same product, different source
Kuoppis
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That’s probably the case. The other one is just from an audio company, and hence it costs double [emoji3]. Has also been lauded in audio press.
But also the EMO Systems products have minor differences. Some being class C and others class D Ethernet compliant, and also having slightly different level of isolation properties.
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Ctsooner
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Kuoppis, thanks for sharing that. I knew there were differences in what it does, but wasn't sure. Seems like the audio device that is from a pro audio company, filters highs etc.. I'm not that technical compared to most of the folks. Are you able to share some of the things you feel each will filter? I know that some of the top digital developers I know love the EMO over even a full optical isolation system. I LOVE optical isolation. It filters the RF adn EMI. I have very very clean power with my house and system set up, plus my Memory Player addresses power in all their products. Next time Sam's over I think we may listen with and without EMO. I so wish I had the GISO unit in for audition to hear the differences as that's the only thing that matters. How much is it?
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Ctsooner, the point is I am not so sure whether the GISO Isolator actually is better for this purpose. This is as the purpose of the device is to filter out electronic interference and provide galvanic isolation. Hence the EMO device should do the job.
To me it looks like the GISO is a repackaged EMO product, at least there is one pretty similar one on their German site.
The Gbit version GISO costs about €350 in Europe while the EMO is available for €150. When asking the GISO manufacturer about technical properties, to check similarity with the EMO, they were pretty coy and just told it is “optimized for audio”.
In my book, if someone cannot explain their mumbo jumbo, it probably is just that.
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Ctsooner
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I totally agree with you. I notice when others have 'optimized' things for audio, they are often simply a rebadge. It's often too expensive for companies to make an audio specific product since we are such a small community and for a device like this, it's miniscule.
Kingrex
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Saw that. Reading now. Also want to read about the Esoteric. A friend of mine who knows his digital stuff is into Esoteric. Kind of a toss up with pricing being equal.
I was just writing to a dealer who wants to sell me a new TT. My digital as is really made me step away from Vinyl. Vinyl does not sound good. It's really looking like I have to put well over $10K into a table and arm to get me back in the park with digital. Then I will need to get a $10k, or more like $20K phono pre to outpace the digital. To be fair, I have about $9k tied up in Digital. So $ for $.... Take your pick. In my house, digital is the way to go. It's so flexible and sounds as good as I need.
Maybe in 3 to 5 years someone will be selling a Ref MSB for a price affordable to me. Then I can sip some of that Tea. If that happens, I cant see ever going back to vinyl. Not to play the 30 records I really like. Half of which are available streaming and sound better as such than on Vinyl at my place.
I was just writing to a dealer who wants to sell me a new TT. My digital as is really made me step away from Vinyl. Vinyl does not sound good. It's really looking like I have to put well over $10K into a table and arm to get me back in the park with digital. Then I will need to get a $10k, or more like $20K phono pre to outpace the digital. To be fair, I have about $9k tied up in Digital. So $ for $.... Take your pick. In my house, digital is the way to go. It's so flexible and sounds as good as I need.
Maybe in 3 to 5 years someone will be selling a Ref MSB for a price affordable to me. Then I can sip some of that Tea. If that happens, I cant see ever going back to vinyl. Not to play the 30 records I really like. Half of which are available streaming and sound better as such than on Vinyl at my place.
Ctsooner
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Guys, as much as I love digital with the new Laufer Teknik DAC and server, you can get a Basis entry level TT and arm with a decent phono stage and any of the 1k cartridges and have sound that is outstanding. It's still better than digital, but a pain to play. I have MS and can't do the TT thing anymore, so for me it's digital.
Kingrex
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What ever.
Ctsooner
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Just an opinion. How sure what I get a whatever. If you think digital is better than good analog, then that's fine too.
Kingrex
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It's just a worn out contentious statement. No one wants to have that conversation anymore. If you like digital such as I do, and many others, you work with your digital and make it sound good. If you like analog, focus on that. Whichever you put your effort and your ear into is going to end up sounding very good. Whichever you plop on the table and for the most part ignore will respond in kind.
Ctsooner
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We will need to agree to disagree then. I made the statement that good analog is still better. I have spent a fair amount on my digital and it sounds better than most digital than I've heard and I've heard much of the best digital out there.
That doesn't mean that vinyl and or reel to reel isn't as good or better. They are all different and have strengths and weaknesses. If you don't have to focus on only one, then why would you? Many of us have a lot of vinyl, CD's some reel's adn now downloads. I own around 1000 album's, a couple of thousand CD's that I still need to rip (have about 3T in my Memory Player so far and will have around 30T when done, so yes I'm fully committed to digital like many others). I'm bummed that I can't do analog anymore as I enjoyed the process. I never plopped anything on my TT in my life.
If you took what I said as contentious, I feel badly for you. As for wanting to have that conversation, that's just you and a few others as many of us still enjoy discussing intelligently how great some of the new upscale digital is doing and where it's headed. There is a reason that conversation is still being had.
Glad you are enjoying music, regardless of format.
Ctsooner
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Thanks and you bet.